From: JusPassin
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Date: 24-May-17 |
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We've had a lot of discussion off and on regarding 3d shoots, what makes them nice, what we don't like, etc.
My worst experience occurred when a friend and I were shooting a course and came up behind two adults and 4 kids who were looking for arrows they'd lost.
We waited for a good 10 minutes when my friend lost it and asked them to let us shoot through and they could continue their hunt later.
One of the fathers screamed at him that they had paid their money and we could just wait.
My buddy said the h311 with it and we just skipped the target and finished the course.
Back at the sign in table we were finishing up when this guy shows up screaming mad and slugs my friend while I was back loading the car.
We couldn't believe someone would do that over a 3d shoot.
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From: KyPhil
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Date: 24-May-17 |
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Always had good experiences at shoots, that i can remember anyway. Did your buddy yell at the other shooters when you mentioned he lost it?
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From: oldgoat
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Date: 24-May-17 |
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Did you offer to help them look? I just go up and ask what color fletches we looking for and don't ask to shoot through!
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From: 76aggie
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Date: 24-May-17 |
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My worst experience was a shoot in which compound folks and traditional folks were mixed in the grouping. A lot of the compound folks treated the shot like a professional golfer treats a putt. They studied the shot, approached the stake, backed off the stake, studied it again, looked through their binos, backed off again and finally shot. It takes forever shooting with some of those folks. A traditional shooter just walks up and shoots.
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From: Kodiaktd
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Date: 24-May-17 |
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I was at a 3D shoot one time ( in the late 1990s ) and me and one of my friends came up to three compound shooters. They ask us if we wanted to shoot through and we told them no thank you we're in no hurry. The first two compound shooters shot and did really good. Then the third one shot and not only missed the whole 3D target he ended up hitting a tree behind the target and broke his carbon arrow. The guy then started yelling at himself and was going to smash his expensive compound bow against a tree. His one buddy grabbed him and his other buddy was fighting him to get the bow off of him. Me and my friend just looked at each other. We couldn't believe someone would snap like that over missing a target. I hope the guy went on prozac or zoloft before his next 3D shoot.
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From: Peej
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Date: 24-May-17 |
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This didn't happen to me but it was a bad experience for the poor guy it happened to. we were walking up a pretty good incline to a target and this guy lost his footing and stabbed himself in the neck with the knock end of one of his arrows in a hip quiver.must have nicked the carotid cause blood was every where.Life flight was called to evac the guy.He made a full recovery as far as I know.
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From: Barber
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Date: 24-May-17 |
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At the shoots I go to the rules are if you miss a target and there are other people waiting to shoot you have to either leave your arrow and continue on the shoot , then go back later to look for it or you have to step to the side while everyone else shoots on through, then you can look for your arrows. If you hold people up by not following the rules they will give you a warning, next step is tell you to leave.
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From: fdp
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Date: 24-May-17 |
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I've never really had a bad experience at a shoot. But, I don't get worked up very easy since archery and shooting aren't how I make my living.
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From: woodshavins
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Date: 24-May-17 |
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Wow! Some intense experiences on the 3D range:-0 Mine is much more benign. Coming off the course one Sunday, the newly appointed archery director for that club (a compound shooter who dabbled with a recurve), asked my good buddy what he thought of the course. Because he asked (and was more accustomed to setting up for compounds), my buddy offered very gentle constructive criticism. Said the course was just fine, but may want to mix up the yardages a bit, as nearly every shot was around 24 yards. While that's a good median distance, maybe have some shorter and some further. The guy didn't even respond. He turned and ignored my friend. When my buddy checked the scores later (he had scored highest in our division), he saw that the guy never even posted his score. Petty crap. Anyway, this must not have been this guys only run in with club members, as he was kicked out a couple weeks later. It is a lot of thankless work setting up a shoot, and my friend recognizes that, as he did it for years. But if you ask for advice, don't get pissed if you don't get exactly the answer you want.
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From: Kodiaktd
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Date: 24-May-17 |
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Another time me and four of my friends were shooting a 3D shoot at East Huntington Sportsmans Club and we were in the club house when a compound shooter ask if he could shoot with us. We said sure. The first two targets everything went good but when the compound shooter went to shoot at the third 3D target his upper limb broke at full draw, it looked like his bow exploded. We immediately made sure he was ok. After we checked to make sure he didn't get hurt he looked at us and very calmly said " Thanks for letting me shoot with you guys ", then he walked away. I felt sorry for him because I had a recurve limb break on me one time so I knew how he felt.
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From: Backcountry
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Date: 24-May-17 |
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At an indoor shoot, some of the shot-up targets were flagged indicating to shoot and score the "back" rings. I was with a group of trads and mentioned it should be ok for us to shoot the target as if we were shooting a live animal. We weren't keeping score anyway.
A compound shooter, a prominent club member, was at the adjacent target line and overheard me. "You trad guys should just go home," he said.
That didn't set well with me, as the trad shooters do a disproportionate amount of work setting up and repairing the targets.
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From: Woods Walker
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Date: 24-May-17 |
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Holy crap! And I thought Little League parents were bad!
Fortunately for me, the worst 3D experience I ever had was after coming back home having to start painting the house.
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From: Clydebow
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Date: 24-May-17 |
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Worst for me in shooting 3Ds since 1988 is when it storms and I can't shoot.
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From: JusPassin
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Date: 24-May-17 |
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Yeah, forgot to mention what made it even worse, the "slugger" was a big young buck about 35 and the "sluggee" was an older guy about 70. Brave tough guy huh!!!!!!!
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From: Buzz
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Date: 24-May-17 |
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The Ridgedale shoot in about 2004.
Quite a few of the targets had rock walls behind them.
Broke 9 arrows.
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From: Straydog
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Date: 24-May-17 |
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Mine was the other day on my first time to try it. Always done well hunting but did absolutely awful at those "targets". Kind of embarrassing. :)
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From: Sipsey River
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Date: 24-May-17 |
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I shot recently with one of my best friends. He never shut up for the entire course. I thought he would have had a sore throat by the time we finished. Enough is enough!
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From: Tracker0721!
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Date: 24-May-17 |
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I love the shoots, but at the only shoot I went to where they gave prizes(money) for top score, I ranked number 1 till one of the last groups came in, 1 guy tied and the other beat me. So I left seeing how I had a long drive. Got an email a few days later saying they found out those guys shot from the kid stake not the traditional AND that they let the guy keep the money because they didn't want to hurt his feelings. Never went to a prize shoot again.
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From: Therifleman
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Date: 24-May-17 |
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Was at a mixed ( wheels and trad). Got to a group of wheelie guys. Watched the guy at the stake-- up goes the binos, then fiddle w the sight, binos up... You get it... One of the other guys in their group told us that the guy getting ready to shoot had won the ibo several times, then he added " ive got lots of pictures of him". I replied, "with his clothes on?". Not a bad shoot, just a funny moment while waiting our turn.
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From: reddogge
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Date: 24-May-17 |
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Boy, these are some horror stories about bad manners, bad tempers, no self control. My story involves an IBO shoot at a club we don't normally attend and how it was set up.
First target a floating carp out in the lake. You could retrieve the carp and float but no boat to retrieve arrows.
Third target a javelina on a crest of a hill and if you missed the arrows went into the forementioned lake with no boat to retrieve them.
Many targets were set up with either brush piles or multiflora rose as the backstop. Several were out in a field with multiflora rose as the backstop.
One target you shot through a metal field gate and if your arrow hit the bars as one of our guy's did they ricocheted up and out into a thicket. Very dangerous in my opinion.
I emailed the club but no response. Needless to say we never came back.
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From: MUZZLEBOW
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Date: 24-May-17 |
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I've been to so many shoots the last 20+ years that yes, I've seen some incredibly silly things. I've seen custom bows thrown to the ground or flung into the bushes by upset shooters, kids hit with arrows that bounced off of targets that they were standing to close too when they shot, incredibly unsafe range setups with people standing in the vicinity of targets that were not set with any thought to safety. Also have seen people get so upset with others that fistfights were eminent, and so many that don't have any sense of direction that they would get themselves lost on a clearly marked course. Don't even get me started on the crazy stuff you see & hear in the camps at night at the big multi-day shoots...not kid friendly!!!LOL
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From: Clydebow
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Date: 24-May-17 |
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John! I also have "that" friend!!
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From: Sipsey River
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Date: 24-May-17 |
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Clydebow-Are his initials LS?
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From: RonL
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Date: 24-May-17 |
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Mine was long time ago when McKenzie targets first came out. Got to follow a guy named Randy Ulmer around the course. Didn't have to wait anytime excessive. But following a guy only caring 1 arrow is demoralizing. RonL
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From: RJH1
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Date: 24-May-17 |
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Nothing too major for me, but back about 20 years ago I shot compound (not real well either)and the bow I had was not a real fast one so I decided to get me some ACC arrows to get more performance out of my bow for those longer shots. I was young and did not have much play money at all, and those arrows were real expensive, about $60 for a half a dozen. I got my bow sighted in and headed out to the match. In those days our local club was IBO so no range finders were allowed and I was not very good at ranging. By the end of the match I had broke or lost 4 arrows or $48 worth. That was a bad day
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From: jk
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Date: 24-May-17 |
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A gunfight over a woman. One of the reasons I mostly shoot with Navajo people...who are very peaceful.
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From: Candyman
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Date: 24-May-17 |
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I had an experience much like 76aggie. My friend ( who was shooting a compound) and I got behind a group of compound shooters that took forever to shoot. I can understand the first shooter taking his time, checking the target with his binos and then deciding what the distance is and then taking his time to execute his shot, but, checking and rechecking and literally standing at the line for 4 or 5 minutes before taking the shot is crazy. Even more crazy was that each of the four shooters did the same thing. While the first guy was getting ready the other three should have been able to figure out the distance before it was their turn. Then to top it off it took them another five minutes to pull their arrows and talk about their shots while still standing in front of the target.
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From: Bushytail
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Date: 24-May-17 |
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I had a friend that went from compound to traditional. And was shooting maybe a year. He had good days and bad days. One day we went to a 3D Shoot and his bad day got to the point of swearing and cussing and stomping his way to the next targets. (He was missing a lot!) And threw his bow down a few times to look for arrows, when he wanted to look that is. Got to the point the last 3 to 5 targets he skipped. I couldn't wait to finish the course. He went back to compound after he missed a Bear that year. Now he don't shoot anything or hunt,that I know of.
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From: boatbuilder
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Date: 24-May-17 |
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Lost an arrow but found the Poison Ivy.
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From: Darkarcher
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Date: 24-May-17 |
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Fights on the 3d course? Thats crazy. Most compound guys let me shoot through. No issues here!
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From: bigdog21
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Date: 24-May-17 |
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shooting with some friends and new acquaintance. being the youngest I valentered to pull arrows on a muddy bank. on the way back I fell and bent almost everyone arrow. did i fill bad
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From: GF
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Date: 24-May-17 |
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That's easy - it was the time I tried shooting the local course with a compound and lost about $50 worth of arrows in a single round.
Even with thin-walled aluminums, a Bad Day was losing one shaft to the bends.
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From: Puckaway
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Date: 24-May-17 |
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Last year my wife and I were at a shoot and a lone wheelie shooter asked to shoot with us. He would pull his binos then his range finder studying the foam. Then sometimes he would draw back and aim and aim and aim and just when we thought he was going to touch one off he would let down and out with the binoculars again. He wouldn't shut his mouth the whole time either talking about this and that and everything else he knew. It got to the point where if we didnt haul ass I would have been late for work. I respectfully told him he was on his own and we needed to shoot through, but it was ruined at that point and we had to just yank and shoot so I could run to work.
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From: 3putter
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Date: 24-May-17 |
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Very hot and very slow play.
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From: stingerslinger
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Date: 24-May-17 |
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Not a bad experience...but humbling one. Several years ago there were quite a few compound barebow shooters in our area of E. Texas but only a couple traditional shooters. At a couple of our shoots a guy shows up with his recurve, and since there were no traditional shooters at the shoot, he asked to join our barebow group. We said sure...and he cleaned our clocks. His name was Keith Bain,and I think he went on to win a couple of world championships.
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From: GF
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Date: 24-May-17 |
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OK - some of these reminded me of the last time I went.
Younger Son and I caught up to a group of 3-4 adults and 4-5 kids, who were digging around in the leaves, looking for a lost arrow. So rather than shoot the target, my son and I walked down and helped them look… And look… And look. I finally found an arrow for them, only to discover that their "missing" arrow had been picked up sometime ago by one of the people in their party, who didn't realize that he had it. So we had a little bit of a laugh about that, and my son and I shot through to the next target.
But rather than following us, this group decided to shortcut ahead 3 targets so that we had to catch up with them all over again. They were just standing there shooting the same target over and over and over. So we walked up, shot that target with them (exceedingly well, I might add!), and we continue to the next target, which was just way too inviting for a few very long shots, one of which skipped off the back of the 3-D.
So I headed up the hill where the errant missile had flown, and was kicking through a few leaves trying to find one of my favorite arrows, and from behind me I heard a very loud and clearly irritated voice. It was the "leader" of the group by which we had been held up twice already that day, having spent a chunk of our time looking for one of their "lost" arrows.
"Hey! We're WAITING for you back here!!"
Doofus.
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From: DanaC
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Date: 25-May-17 |
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All my bad experiences were related to my own shooting ;-)
I have learned one thing - never bring brand new arrows to a 3D shoot. They need to be 'seasoned' a bit!
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From: Wild Bill
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Date: 25-May-17 |
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Having set many 3D courses myself, I tend to be critical of layouts that obviously took too little thought, or, set maliciously. I'm tempted to write a guide, but, who cares?
If you consider some of the thread behavior, we are the same community that you see on the courses.
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From: Jimmy Blackmon
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Date: 25-May-17 |
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I drove two hours to shoot a 3D shoot in Alabama once. I knew it would be primarily compound guys, so I prepared for the wait. I knew it would be slow shooting; however, I was not prepared for the trad stakes. Literally, every stake for trad was set at exactly 10 yards, directly in front of the target. 40 targets in a row at 10 yards. It took about four hours to shoot the course and I did not own a stool at the time. I got back and turned my card in and the organizers made this huge deal that I had cleaned the course. I shook my head, ate a chili dog and drove two hours home.
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From: bodork
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Date: 25-May-17 |
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While most of my unpleasant experiences at 3-D courses involve compound shooters(usually slow shooting), my worst times involve a trad shooter that used to frequent our course. Every time a compound group or shooter would come into ear shot, this guy would just have to go off about training wheels, those aren't really bows, etc. I thought it made all of us look like fools. To make matters worse, he was one of the poorest shooters on the range! I hated getting stuck with this guy.
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From: todd
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Date: 25-May-17 |
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I have had a few over my time shooting 3-d courses. One back in compound days, I shot a course with some else keeping score. Ended up tying a guy, and he was very verbal about "no way" I was that could, and calling me cheat. We went to a 5 target shoot off, with the President and few people scoring. Each one I stayed back at stake as all of them went and scored the five. I ended up beating the guy hands down. We got back to the clubhouse and they was still talking. I put everything away and told them to keep the trophy, and would never come back, was very upset. When me and a buddy was shooting traditional bows, we took a break half way through, had the bow's hung up, went into the clubhouse and got a soda. As we came out, we heard a bang, as we rounded the corner. There was a guy holding what was left of my buddies bow. He was interested and thought we wouldn't mind, if he pulled it, and he dry fired it. Yep, broke it. Took alot to keep my pal from beating the guy. He didn't even understand he made a mistake or offer compensation. Funniest, I was shooting a course, with a dozen arrows. It was early on and one of those days everything was off. I ended up loosing every arrow. Few other guys gave me grief, but I had fun.
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From: Big Dog
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Date: 25-May-17 |
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I relented to my wife and a friend of ours to go to the Rinehart 100. I knew there would be waiting but I didn't realize how much. We got there after a 2 hour drive at 7 am. The computers were down and we waited in line 2 hours to sign up. We started shooting the Safari (it's what we came to shoot) side at 9 am. and did not get done with 50 targets until 5 pm. Absolutely Brutal! Regards
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From: Eric Krewson
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Date: 25-May-17 |
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I shot the Tn state indoor 3D in Nashville once, it was a one round tournament, went back to Bama and found out later won the trad recurve division. Back then I cared about trophies and called on of the members to see if he would send me the trophy. He was real obnoxious on the phone but said he would send the trophy, he never did and got more obnoxious every time I contacted him. I remembered him from the tournament, a overweight redhead guy without a personality.
The next year I drove to Nashville to shoot the tournament again. This time they told me it was a multi round tournament and I could shoot as many rounds as I wanted to.
I shot a smoking first round but decided to shoot one more round to see if I could better my score, I shot poorly in my second round.
When I turned my second round card in the same obnoxious guy from the previous year took my first round score card, tore it up in front of me with a hateful snarl and proclaimed "if you shoot a second round it cancels out any previous round". This flew all over me because this "rule" wasn't posted or stated anywhere.
My first score would have won so the best shot that day didn't win the tournament, I never went back.
Another time we were shooting the TN state 3D in Athens, not shooting particularly well but our group was having a great time ribbing each other and cutting up.
A guy in front of us missed a target, we were laughing about an inside joke, not paying attention to the group ahead of us when the guy who missed came charging up to one of our guys with fist clenched and shouted "WHAT'S SO DAMN FUNNY".
He got right up in George's face trying to provoke a fight. George could have mopped the floor up with this looser but being the gentleman he is he turned and walked away.
Needless to say, this ruined the rest of the round for us. We all wanted to teach this jerk some manners but decided to let it go.
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From: Tajue17
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Date: 25-May-17 |
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the absolute worse 3D was my first 3D with a stickbow a martin ML10 longbow and a set of brandnew arrows from Screaming eagle archery.
without going into the details I lost 9 out of 12 arrows that day mainly because I didn't know how to find an arrow that missed or even know enough to mark where it went.
I had to shoot thru many groups of compounds and it was just super embarrassing,, one compound guy even tried to help me with my form and said leave your hand loose barely holding the bow which would make sense if I was shooting wheels but for a hand shocking long bow like the ML10 it resulted in the longbow flying out of my hand at release and landing on the ground in front of me,, when I went to stickbow I had nobody to show me no mentors and no internet,, I never heard of Howard Hill or saxton & pope I just saw a longbow in a magazine and thought it looked cool..
yeah I don't think I went anywhere near another 3D for two years and just shot at stumps,,, to this day I get a little dizzy feeling when a group of compounders asks me to shoot thru all because of that first day....
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From: traxx
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Date: 25-May-17 |
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Almost getting in a fist fight,because of Blatant cheating and being verbally attacked for calling the scores properly.
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From: Tom A
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Date: 25-May-17 |
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I can and have dealt with a lot of the stuff posted here already. I try not to sweat the small stuff.
The worst for me is I have showed up to a couple shoots and they were canceled due to weather! I have shot shoots in -10 and snow and also pouring rain @ 30-40 degrees and they were still fun. Please dont cancel the shoots!
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From: reddogge
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Date: 25-May-17 |
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Tom, as one of the "worker bees" at my club the reason shoots get canceled in bad weather is not for the shooters' sake it's for the safety of the guys putting out targets and hanging around to pick up the targets in pouring down rain.
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From: KeystoneBows
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Date: 25-May-17 |
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Bushy tail and I met up last Saturday. That was my first 3d shoot. He offers to meet me there. It was fun, shot the crap the whole time, like we were old friends. Got to talk about hunting, muzzleloaders and just life in general. Had a great time.
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From: Newhunter
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Date: 25-May-17 |
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Here in the US I have been up early travel for hrs believing it was a competition but no "you can have a scorecard and throw it in THAT garbage bin after" What's that?
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From: Newhunter
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Date: 25-May-17 |
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It's better in Europe, newer any half ass 3D.
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From: scs
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Date: 25-May-17 |
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Ok, I got one from the other side. Went to a shoot a few years ago with some buddies and our compounds. Had a stickbow shooter that one of my friends knew join us. He was the only one carrying a range finder. He'd range every target, tell us the yardage and then move up until he was inside 20 yards. We were all ready to choke him by the time we got done with the one course we shot with him. Parted company with him after that and enjoyed the rest of the shoot.
Steve
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From: Timberline2
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Date: 25-May-17 |
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3D shoots would be MUCH, MUCH better if all the targets had a backstop of some kind to prevent lost arrows. I have taken many young shooters and beginning trad archers to shoots only to have them leave disgusted because they lost most of their arrows. Most had no desire to go to a 3d shoot again. I went to one shoot where every target was partially covered by trees and or limbs. How can you have fun when you finish the course with most of your expensive arrows bent or broken.? I enjoy a challenging course. I just don't want to sacrifice an arrow every time I miss. Do you??
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From: Silverback
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Date: 25-May-17 |
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Back in 2002 my 12 year old german shepard died on a Saturday. I was devastated and in tears. My friend and I were to go to a 3d shoot on sunday at The hawkeye bowman club. My friend backed out and I went anyway. There I met Brian and big John who saw that I was alone and quickly befriended me and ask me to shoot with them. I told them about my dog and they were very sympathetic.Long story short they told me about the champion of champions shoot later that afternoon and encouraged me to try. I did and I won that day and the wooden trophy is proudly displayed on the wall at me cabin. Most importantly though is the friendship with those two guys that exists to this day. I've been to several shoots at that club and each and every member I've ever encountered treats me great, Thank you Hawkeye Bowmen.
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From: Silverback
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Date: 25-May-17 |
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I just reread the original topic. Of course my post was about my very best 3d experience that I was anxious to share. My apology to the original poster.
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From: JusPassin
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Date: 25-May-17 |
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No problem Silverback, I've had a lot of great shoots too.
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From: Murray Seratt
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Date: 25-May-17 |
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My wife and I, along with a lady who has won just about every state championship in the mid-south, went to a 3-D in Nashville. We were on our way home from a shoot where Sue had just won the state. There was this loud, obnoxious jerk there who had met Sue and her husband, so he invited himself to join us. He NEVER shut up. He was talking while he was shooting, and he was about as lousy a shot as I've ever seen, including me. He was constantly telling Sue how to aim, hold, grip the bow, nock her arrow, and on and on. All the while she is shooting lights out, and it doesn't seem to register with Howard Hill what's going on. We finally got close to another group, and I told him one of them was waving at him. He took off to bless them with his expertise, and we took off, too. He was one of those "trad" shooters that everything he said came right out of the same drivel being preached by people who had no idea what they were talking about; just parroting stuff they'd read and accepted as gospel.
Murray
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From: Sukhoidave
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Date: 26-May-17 |
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I"ve only been to a few. I don't have any partners/freinds to go with so I've enjoyed meeting new people by asking if groups mind if I join them.
Now I'm worried that I talked to much. I didn't mean to spoil anyones nature experience. I'll be more observant from now on...
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From: DanaC
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Date: 26-May-17 |
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"Tom, as one of the "worker bees" at my club the reason shoots get canceled in bad weather is not for the shooters' sake it's for the safety of the guys putting out targets and hanging around to pick up the targets in pouring down rain. "
We've put 'em up and taken 'em down in the rain. Just happy there was no lightning! Biggest problem is that turn-out drops off.
A few years back we had so much ice (March shoot) we had to cancel, but we set up a bunch of targets on the floor of the indoor range in case anyone showed up. A few did, we charged them half price to shoot away, and they had a good time. One guy brought his son, who had never shot at 3D's before, so he got an introduction to the targets.
There are courses I like a lot and a few I don't much care for, but I've always been treated well by the folks running the shoots.
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From: StikBow
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Date: 26-May-17 |
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Do not do many any more.the guys who set up courses try to replicate hunting- logs at an angle in front of the bull, targets in defilade-if you put part of you body against the stake. Hate it when shooters position themselves for easy shot-turn in score cards.then there is the guy who is shooting in the group ahead of his friends-as he leaves a target, he is the last one, he points out the 10 ring to his friends. In a no Bino shoot this can make a difference.not to me, do not shoot that well, but it is still cheating 3D is prep for hunting, not for score anymore
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From: DanaC
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Date: 27-May-17 |
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A common thread here seems to be that the shoots are okay but some of the people you encounter, not so much.
I've shot with a few guys I'd rather not shoot with again, but they're a small minority. I never let them dampen my enthusiasm for the sport. You can find the same few (or their kin) in a softball league or a bowling league or darts or pool or...
The bright side is sometimes you get to shoot with old friends, and once in a while you make new friends.
And if anyone is shooting Auburn Mass. tomorrow, let me know when!
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From: MDW
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Date: 27-May-17 |
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Several years back, what I thought would be my worst experience turned out to be one of my best.
A neighboring town holds a street fair and I had an archery booth set-up all day. That night the local 3-D club holds a coon shoot, (where a lantern is set close enough to the target to see it fairly well).
Anyhow, one of the local experts insists that I shoot with him. i had intentionally left my bow at the motel room, because I was tired and didn't feel like shooting.
He insisted and even offered to let me use his bow. So, here we go, he shoots first then hands the bow to me on every shot.
He kept score and i lacked one point of beating him with his own bow. Can't understand why he didn't ask me to go the second round with him?
The whole secret, every shoot, I was simply aiming at his bright yellow nock!
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From: Jungle hunter
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Date: 27-May-17 |
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I once drove an hour from home to go to a shoot ,only to realize that my quiver didn't make the trip. I had a one arrow quiver on the bow, complete with one arrow!! Forty targets, including a steel pig and turkey, I'm standing at the last target, a steel elk, at about 40 yards. Still have my arrow. Word must have gotten around the course that some old dude with an equally old recurve was shooting the course with one arrow because a small crowd was waiting. I walked to the stake drew and shot, just that quick. Nailed the shot. Small round of applause. So what could have been the worst, turned out great. Actually shot really well that day. Only having one chance, one arrow, really makes you concentrate !!
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From: HillbillyKing
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Date: 27-May-17 |
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When I set the targets for a traditional shoot after i got back in Trad Bows ILL Never do it again hahahaha !!!
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From: Rick Barbee
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Date: 27-May-17 |
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Being publicly accused of cheating during the awards ceremony at an IBO state championship event was hands down the most embarrassing, and humiliating experience for me.
I shot very well, yet the whole experience was ruined for me. My wife was there with me. She cried the whole 200 mile drive home, and has not gone to a shoot with me since.
It's SAD how some folks (assholes) react when you beat them.
Rick
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From: DanaC
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Date: 27-May-17 |
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Did your accuser face you and present evidence? 'Cause I'd have challenged him then and there, loudly. The right to face one's accuser is a fundamental of American law.
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From: bradsmith2010santafe
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Date: 27-May-17 |
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wow Rick, I think that takes it,, I was lucky when i shot alot of shoots, and most people were really nice,, I just burned out on going to shoots,,, and got out of practice, I dont think I could hit a 3 d target now,, I just shoot for fun in the back yard,,and like to hunt,, and make bows,, that was a long time ago, and I am sure things have changed over the years,, I think my worst shoots were if I lost some arrows,, :)
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From: Rick Barbee
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Date: 27-May-17 |
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There's a long story behind it guys, and I'm hesitant to post it, but since you asked, I will.
It was concerning the IBO draw weight rule of 80# max. I was shooting 98#.
Before I started the competition SEASON I talked to the IBO officers (main office), and asked them about the rule. They told me the rule had been changed, but not yet rewritten to reflect the change. They said it would not be enforced for the Trad shooters, and told me to go on & shoot, and not be concerned about it.
When I arrived at this shoot (IBO Texas State Championship) there had already been a protest filed on me for my draw weight, and the club officers (unaware of the rules change) made me put my bow on the scale before they would let me shoot.
There was also an IBO REP at the shoot, and he knew of the rule change. He told me - "Rick, just short draw your bow, so we can get this guy out of our hair.", so that's what I did, and it came in right at 80#. Everyone laughed (The club officials, and the IBO REP), and I continued on out to shoot with my mind at ease thinking everything was cool now.
Well, everything wasn't cool. I took first place by a margin of 60 points over 2nd place.
The 2nd place guy was the one who filed the protest before I ever even started shooting. He had shot the day before. He, and several (I'm sure it was only a few, but it seemed like a thousand at the time) of his friends turned their backs on me as I received my award, and chanted cheater, and booed through my turn on the podium.
Like I said - It was an extremely embarrassing, and frustrating occurrence. Not just for me, but for everyone else at the shoot, not to mention, that my wife was devastated.
No I did not confront the guys. I didn't really have to. There were plenty there who showed them the error of their ways.
I did however take some positive things away from it. In order of importance to me: (1) "Once I cooled down" - The awesome feeling I got from knowing there were so many good folks who stood up for me.
(2) The satisfaction in knowing, that even though I was boiling inside, I had matured enough in life to not let words cause me to stomp a mud hole in someone. My wife was urging me to do otherwise. 8^) - In the not so distance past at the time, the outcome would have been much different. I was proud I kept it calm.
(3) I was darn proud of how I shot. 40 target total was 396. That ain't bad for back in the day before the distances were shortened for the Trad folk.
OK. There it is. Just remember, you asked. 8^)
Rick
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From: bldtrailer
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Date: 27-May-17 |
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When I was a shoot coordinator w TANJ a guy went to the lost arrow bucket and pulled a few arrows out (and did not check the lengths) Yup you guessed it he put one into the back of his bow hand above the thumb (up to the fetchings) sticking out between his index and middle finger after overdrawing a short arrow. Then had to take a long painful ride to NYC where he had medical coverage. and yes it sucks to be behind IBOers
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From: Sinner
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Date: 27-May-17 |
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it's sad to read so many bad experiences with others at public, club events. I haven't attended many shooting events, as I don't always tolerate the bad behavior of others too well. But, the ones I have attended were a mix of traditional and compound shooters, and fortunately I saw and heard of no problems. I have a son-in-law who wants to do more shooting (compound), so I intend to try to get out more with him.
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From: MStyles
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Date: 28-May-17 |
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Mega hot/ humid day at a nearby 3D. After signing/paying the fee, a guy standing by the outdoor bow rack asked if he could do the shoot with us. "Sure, come on". This guy was quiet, always shot last, let us get his arrows for 3 shots. I looked at my brother and rolled my eyes. Then, this guy started humming loudly, as we went to each target. Like I said, it was HOT and HUMID. He was getting on our nerves. Six animals in and I said to the guy, "ok, lets switch" I.e., last guy shoots first, we rotate etc. By now we saw this guy's game and let him get all the arrows for the next 6 animals. He was not happy quit humming, left after 20 some targets, saying it was too hot. My brother and I finished, turned in our cards and as we went to the car, these two guys walking by asked us how we liked shooting with that guy. Then they told us he was a member there and no one from the club would go with him on the 3D's. They knew all about this guy and everyone there wanted nothing to do with him.
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From: DanaC
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Date: 28-May-17 |
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Heck, if somebody beat me shooting 98 pounds I'd shake his hand and call him 'Sir!'
Some jerks only appreciate themselves.
I've shot with a lot of people, but only ever learned from those who shoot better than I do.
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From: Red Beastmaster
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Date: 28-May-17 |
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I don't believe I ever had a bad experience shooting 3-D.
I prevent it by only shooting with my trad friends and skipping past any compounder taking more than a few seconds to shoot.
No scoring either. It only promotes problems.
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From: Babbling Bob
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Date: 29-May-17 |
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I smile more than I talk at the 3-D's now, because I'm so glad to be there. However, I was the person who gave a shooter a bad time when I went to my first 3-D after not shooting since I shot 2-D's long ago. Come to think about it - that was a while back too. Didn't loose any, but hunted quite a few. Everyone has a first time event, and that fellow had a lot of patience.
Remember my first field archery round when I was 15. Ask too many questions with the men I was shooting with after a year of sitting on the edge of the floor furnace reading NFAA's Archery magazine over and over. Those guys were trying to do some serious shooting but I probably wore them out.
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From: David Mitchell
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Date: 29-May-17 |
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We had a group in front of us at a shoot with one loud mouthed, vile talking, swearing member of the group. Every time they went to pull arrows he was mouthing off about somehting. Finally as we waited for them to pull arrows on the last target, he let out with a very loud, "Just pull the G--D--- arrows and let's go." I said, "He won't do that." "What" he says....me: "God won't damn those arrows." "How do you know" he wants to know. He's my friend and He doesn't damn peoples' arrows." The rest of the group looked like they didn't know what to say and after a bit of muttering off they went. Everywhere I see this guy he is loud and obnoxious. I guess every shoot has at least one.
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From: stykman
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Date: 29-May-17 |
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Nothing I would call a bad experience. Have only gone to one 3D with trad and compounds. Will not do so again as waiting while the wheel shooters loosed an arrow was rather nerve wracking. Will only attend trad shoots in the future.
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From: ky_hunter
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Date: 29-May-17 |
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I had my string break on target #3 of a 30 round course. And didnt have a spare on me. Never made that mistake again.
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From: PeteA
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Date: 29-May-17 |
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A year ago I went to a small local club in upstate NY with MCgroundstalker for a trad only shoot. I will not mention the name of the club. We got there are 8:00am only to find the clubhouse locked and not a car in the lot. We checked the flyer thinking we had the wrong weekend. Nope it was the correct date and time for registration. There was a lone 3d deer target in a field next to the clubhouse. Mikey and I decided to wait a while and take a couple practice shots to see if anyone shows up. 20 minutes later, one truck pulls in the lot and a guy runs to unlock the clubhouse. We walk over to see what's up. The gentleman walks to the picnic tables with his cash box and sign in sheet. Takes our 15 dollars. We asked where is everyone. He said he believes more trad guys will come. They usually have a good turn out. We head off only to find most targets and trails were very much unkempt and overgrown. Miss a target and it was almost impossible to find your arrow. Not to mention the trails were overgrown with stinging nettles! It took us an hour to get there so we stuck it out and shot the range anyway. When we got back to the clubhouse we found about 10 other guys having the free hot dog and Hamburger lunch. Funny we never saw anyone on the course???? Turned out they were all members of the club that came to work the shot! Mikey and I were the only shooters to show up! We left at 2:00. Only one other shooter showed up! And he was a compound guy!
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From: DanaC
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Date: 29-May-17 |
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Ky_hunter, that's a good excuse to bring a spare bow. Heck, it's a good excuse to own one ;-)
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From: Caughtandhobble
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Date: 29-May-17 |
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I have been very please to never have a bad experience at a 3D shoot, I have made many over the last 30+ years.
Rick's story made me smile... I have seen clubs and even organizations change rules to effect mostly one person more than once. Funny the top shooters stay on the top, shooting light or heavy bows, elevated rest or off the shelf. Heck there are some kids shooting in the South that the only way to beat is with a stick, lol.
Go support your local club as often as you can, and every other club in driving range. Have fun at your next shoot!!!
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From: HARRY CARRY
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Date: 29-May-17 |
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The worst experiences I've had have been the result of weather.
I am a Crew member of a traditional group in Southwest Pennsylvania. Our 3D schedule is dictated by the governing sportsmen's club, who give us the winter months for our 3D shoots: November, December, January, February, and March. (Other club activities claim the other months.)
Our worst fears are to attempt setting up a course on the Saturday, when the weather is 15 degrees and snowing, with Sunday's weather predicted as worse. Do we cancel? How do we reach everybody, knowing that upwards of half the POTENTIAL attendees are not on the internet? What will happen to our reputation if we do cancel, and folks show up?
For one event 2 years ago, the weather was bad for a Saturday set-up, but manageable. However, an ice storm hit Saturday night, and the State declared a state of emergency Sunday morning, with limited travel. The township where the sportsmen's club is located declared a full-travel emergency, with only authorized vehicles allowed on the road. This declaration came AFTER our 8 AM opening time. And there WERE township snow vehicles making sure the rule was followed.
It's easy to be upset with the behavior of folks while on the course. But my worst experiences and fears always go back to setting up a course that is acceptable, fun, and safe. Realizing that we may jeopardize someone's safety, due to us (the Crew) not realizing a "bounce potential" or an angle that didn't occur to us, or that the snow on the path might have turned into a skating rink....stuff like that makes me a worrier.
All of these factors and logistics are involved with every group who attempts to hold a 3D shoot. It's THEIR reputation that is on the line, all while making sure the gates are open, or the building lights are working, or the restrooms are functioning, or the local hoodlums didn't come out during the night and steal the targets/stakes/ribbons/numbers (it's happened)......all the worrying creates the "worst" parts of 3D shoots for those of us who are Crewmembers.
One unhappy person, Traditional or Compound, can really hurt a group's reputation simply enough if one of the basic logistics does not meet their expectations. It's that old advertising idea that "one happy consumer tells 3 people, but one unhappy person tells anyone who will listen".
But...but...when everything DOES work out: the weather is acceptable, the hoodlums left the course alone, the restroom didn't back up, the gas grill was able to sizzle the burgers well, and our friends DID decide to stop over with their bows.....ALL OF THAT NEGATES ANY BAD "ASSOCIATIONS" WITH THE EVENT! The "worst" worries go away.
It makes it worth all the while!
Now, when someone asks me if I want to go to another group's 3D to shoot, I can appreciate every aspect of it, including the people we encounter.
It's all about what I decided to make of it....
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From: DanaC
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Date: 29-May-17 |
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Well said.
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From: Archer
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Date: 30-May-17 |
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Shooting in the rain at shoots you drive a couple hrs to get to is my worst experience so far. I don't mind hunting in the rain but 3d shoots are fun tournaments but not in the rain. At least for me.
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From: Surfbow
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Date: 30-May-17 |
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"my worst times involve a trad shooter that used to frequent our course. Every time a compound group or shooter would come into ear shot, this guy would just have to go off about training wheels, those aren't really bows, etc. I thought it made all of us look like fools."
Hahaha, was he a Leatherwall regular?
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From: Witherstick
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Date: 30-May-17 |
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My wife, children, and I have enjoyed all of our 3d shoot experiences over the years and across the nation. Sure, there have been some slow or loud shooters of compounds and tradbows. Those people are few and far between and not exclusive to just one type of archery gear.
However, my most embarrassing story would have to be my worst experience. With an outdoor channel crew following us and cameras rolling, my wife and 3 children make good shots on a wolf target that had turkey decoys surrounding it. While trying to give an interesting interview and look cool, my mind forgot the task at hand. What did I do? I shot one of the host club's turkey decoys. Never have watched that episode. Lol
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