Found a grove of these trees and for the life of me can't identify these. Compound palmately leaves and rough bark.

those look like simple leaves that originate from a terminal twig smooth margins? how large are the leaves? I'm thinking cucumbertree

leaves of Black Gum (Nyssa sylvatica)

actually looking at the bark...maybe black gum??

Looks like ash, bark too.

www.google.com/search? q=ash+tree+leaves&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS724US724&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source= univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjvkdno- vnTAhWnhlQKHXxZDGIQsAQILA&biw=875&bih=388&dpr=1.56#imgrc=dJ2fUCyG wtQEnM:

Checked that out and I don't think that's what it is

bark of black gum

Someone suggested black gum but I don't think it's that either. There are only 4 leaflets per bunch

black gum fruits are smallish (blueberry sized) fleshy oval drupes with a large central seed, dark purple to almost black.... the twigs are very tough and flexible, almost impossible to snap...

gum trees have a tendency to become hollow on older, larger trees.

Mulberry?

Not ash, not mulberry. I'm not familiar with Black Gum. I have to look up Basswood.

It looks to be a tall tree

Nope. Not Basswood either.

Not much to go by there, but look at Magnolia acuminata, a.k.a. cucumber tree.

I could believe Black gum too, maybe. It almost always grows perfectly straight

Black gum But it does look little ashes ; )

The leaves and bark do look like a huge Mullbery in the back yard. How ever I don't see any cluster of 4 to 5 leaves on the end of a stem like that. Check again in a couple of weeks and see if it starts putting on berys.>>>----> Ken

Maybe Elm........ the bark looks like it and the leaves too, not sure about 4 leafs in a bunch tho.

It looks nothing like white ash, that's what we have growing around here...talking the bark structure.

If it is cucumber, and it my be since the bark is similar, there will likely be fruit under it...dried up from last year.

Elms have simple (not compound) leaves. The 4 leaflets rule out ash too I guess.

White ash has 7 leaves on a stem. Had to did out my 1967 leaf collection from 9th grade. It does look like Cucumber Magnolia except I only have 1 leaf. Not a cluster of 4.

I don't know but may be hickory

I don't know but may be hickory

I don't know but may be hickory

Tulip trees - my guess.

Or Elm.

Not Tulip. Those leaves are unmistakable. And Elms don't have compound leaves.

I don't recall any compound leaves with only 4 leaflets. Ya got me!

Maybe post some more pics??

Duvall, where is this tree located.....state, county?

I checked all those and the leaf structure is what is throwing everything out the window. They are alternate compound palmately leaf cluster with 4 leaflets. I've looked through all the sugestions here and can't get a match. Closest leaf pattern I've found is buckeye or horsechestnut but the bark doesnt match those. It's driving me nuts

http://www.dcnr.state.pa.us/cs/groups/public/documents/document/ dcnr_002216.pdf

Take a sample leaf to your local farm bureau and ask them.

And the let us know here!!!

Not palmately compound; whorled, maybe. I still think it's cucumber or black gum - leaves < 5" would be black gum, 5" and larger would be cucumber magnolia.

Sure looks like a black gum to me.

In my experience, don't bother to take it to a forester, they won't know, but will call it something like red chestnut (of which there is no such common name and he won't say a scientific name).

Had a forester look at my woods here in Kentucky. I asked him what kind of hickory a certain tree was. "Could be a smooth-bark or a red hickory," he said--neither of which is in any tree book I have seen.

Need to see more of a branch with its leaves it would really help to see the fruit or even a blossom, if its too early for fruit.

Yeah, you might try the US Forest Service lab too.

Bad link Schleprock.

duvall: Looking at your pic again, in the lower center of the pic with the sky as the background, is that a white flower? It also looks like there's some in other parts of the picture but they're blurred maybe?? Hard to tell.

It's a Black Gum tree is my guess. At least that's what the bark and leaves say to me.

Remove the space before the second "dcnr" in Schleprock's link - here's a link to the key his link mentions, but it might not come out right either:

http://extension.psu.edu/4-h/leaders/resources/publications/d0410e-summer-key-for-pennsylvania-trees.pdf

Red hickory is Carya ovata, kind of rare, but it's in all my books

I wonder if people post archery questions in tree forums? Some of the guesses here are way out there...

To the top....I really want to know what this is!

http://www.cookforest.com/articles/trees/black-gum.cfm

The Dupont family brought many European trees to US. If you are living in the southeast corner of Pennsylvania it can be one of this. Look on the ground if you find any seed or nuts.

I've been retired now two years so you guys are going to have to figure it out on your own. :) Identifying trees from leaf and bark closeups sometimes can be difficult and these photos provided aren't very good.

Many trees can be identified simply from their form and providing a photo of the entire tree can be most helpful. Also, poke around in the duff under them to look for remnants of mast or other clues. If the trees were/are black gum and you were around them during the fall, you should have already identified them by their early fall color.

Black Gum has simple leaves. The tree in question has a compound leaf with 4 leaflets.

the bark looks like the 30 foot black walnut in my back yard,

Cucumber.

I'm not sure that's a compound leaf with 4 leaflets. I think those are 4 simple leaves originating from the same node. Where 'bouts is this tree?

I think the compound leaf thing is what's throwing everyone off. Those are not compound leaves, they are simple leaves growing from a central point.

https://en.wi kipedia.org/wiki/Elm#/media/File:Ulmus_glabra.jpg

Elm has serrated leaves.

It's not walnut or mullberry.

DEFINITELY not them. I have them growing on my place and can tell them by smell!

It's a Black Gum. You can take that to the bank. If not, call WVU and tell them my forestry degree isn't worth much. LOL Seriously, there isn't much to go on there and, anyone could be wrong by just looking at the leaves and the bark on a lot of species. Even foresters as there is so much variation in the same species from site index's of a general area. Much less region to region. However, the indicator I'm using from what I see is the way the twigs and limbs grow nearly perpendicular to their origin In other words, look for the way the twigs come off at nearly a perfect 90 degree angle from the branch. God Bless

Don't know what a black gum looks like, but it absolutely isn't an elm, ash, hickory, or walnut.

I am from a different continent trying to learn the names of the trees over here. If we look at the flower on the first photo, low in the middle, it looks like a black gum flower and all the rest look like black gum.

Well I'm no forester so this might not matter at all but all the pics I've seen of black gum they have 5 leaflets...these trees have 4...again dont know if that makes a difference

It is a black gum.

Make more photos.

How about tupelo, Nyssa aquatica?

It's a white gum guys.

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