Traditional Archery Discussions on the Leatherwall


Field Archery...Looks easy :)

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JustSomeDude 17-May-17
fdp 17-May-17
George D. Stout 17-May-17
limbwalker 17-May-17
2 bears 17-May-17
BOX CALL 17-May-17
GLF 17-May-17
Babbling Bob 17-May-17
tradmt 17-May-17
JustSomeDude 17-May-17
GLF 17-May-17
GLF 17-May-17
jaz5833 17-May-17
GLF 17-May-17
George D. Stout 17-May-17
jaz5833 17-May-17
Jon Stewart 17-May-17
tradmt 17-May-17
JustSomeDude 17-May-17
JRW 17-May-17
jk 17-May-17
JRW 17-May-17
JRW 17-May-17
Jon Stewart 17-May-17
tradmt 17-May-17
BOX CALL 17-May-17
JustSomeDude 17-May-17
JustSomeDude 17-May-17
Jim 17-May-17
GLF 17-May-17
GLF 17-May-17
RJH1 17-May-17
BenMaher 17-May-17
skookum 17-May-17
GLF 17-May-17
hawkeye in PA 17-May-17
JustSomeDude 17-May-17
Babbling Bob 17-May-17
hawkeye in PA 17-May-17
JustSomeDude 17-May-17
longbowguy 17-May-17
JustSomeDude 17-May-17
jaz5833 17-May-17
Joseph 17-May-17
limbwalker 18-May-17
JustSomeDude 18-May-17
JustSomeDude 18-May-17
JustSomeDude 18-May-17
jk 18-May-17
JRW 18-May-17
JustSomeDude 18-May-17
reddogge 18-May-17
wvhunter 18-May-17
GLF 18-May-17
jk 18-May-17
GLF 18-May-17
jk 18-May-17
GLF 18-May-17
JRW 18-May-17
GLF 18-May-17
GLF 18-May-17
JRW 18-May-17
JRW 18-May-17
BenMaher 18-May-17
Bobby B 18-May-17
jk 18-May-17
Lowcountry 18-May-17
GLF 18-May-17
GF 19-May-17
JustSomeDude 19-May-17
Babbling Bob 19-May-17
JRW 19-May-17
GLF 19-May-17
JRW 19-May-17
JustSomeDude 19-May-17
Catskills 19-May-17
GLF 19-May-17
ahunter55 19-May-17
ahunter55 19-May-17
JRW 19-May-17
Demmer 19-May-17
From: JustSomeDude
Date: 17-May-17

JustSomeDude's embedded Photo



Dave Cousins, Brady Ellison and John Demmer. Yikes.

From: fdp
Date: 17-May-17




It amazes me to watch those guys and gals shoot.

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 17-May-17




It was the shoot of choice in the 40's through the 80's so a lot of folks did it. I'm going to a field round on Sunday up on the mountain at Mountain Bowmen. Folks nowadays think thirty yards is a long shot and that's pretty sad.

From: limbwalker
Date: 17-May-17




It's hard to appreciate the distance of those shots unless you're standing there.

From: 2 bears
Date: 17-May-17




They do make it look easy. >>>----> Ken

From: BOX CALL
Date: 17-May-17




Each group had three different shooting styles.pretty neat

From: GLF
Date: 17-May-17




Any of you guys want to try it come to Ohio next month to the Ohio State field archery championship. You have to pre register to assure you get to shoot since its a shotgun start. Also in August Ohio Archers is having a 900 round if y,all feel up to 90 arrows at 40 50 and 60 yards. Check Ohio Archers weight for dates times and registration. See if it's easy as it looks,lol.

From: Babbling Bob Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 17-May-17




Just - with your new ILF, all you need is some matched arrows, some gas, and somewhere to go. "Get'R'Done" a few times, and like any other type of archery, U'll get the hang of it. You will see shorter target arrows preferred since there are longer targets, than for the short distances we shoot in 3-D's.

From: tradmt
Date: 17-May-17




Folks that think 30 yards is a long shot are the folks that do nothing but hunt with a bare bow. Their mind is envisioning themselves winded and sweaty, standing in loose pebbles on a 40 degree slope in a stiff breeze drawing a 50+ pound bow at an animal they believe is somewhere close to 30 yards away.

Shooting a field round never crossed their minds, hell, they probably never even heard of it!

From: JustSomeDude
Date: 17-May-17




GLF,

That's NFAA right? Still getting my head around it all. If you shoot "Barebow" you will be competing against Compounds? I you shoot "Traditional" you can have a 12' Stab, Plunger, Rest but you CAN'T String or Facewalk?

I found a club 2 hours away that hosts Field. Looks like fun to me.

From: GLF
Date: 17-May-17




Yes it's NFAA

From: GLF
Date: 17-May-17




Theres also a longbow class but wood arrows only

From: jaz5833
Date: 17-May-17




If you find yourself in san Diego, look up San Diego Archers, we have a field round of some kind every month. We also host nine 3D's every year and 4 themed fun shoots.

80 yard shots are the norm for club members and the first target is just that.

From: GLF
Date: 17-May-17




Theres 2 recurve classes, one of them allows 12" stabilizer and an arrow rest n plunger. The other is a sight class.

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 17-May-17




tradmt, I've come to expect that from you regarding posts I make. But anyway, maybe you should talk to guys like Steve Gorr who were about as good on the field range as anyone and can take elk, mule deer, antelope etc. as good as anyone on the planet. You can dismiss it if you like, but that just shows your lack of knowledge about previous archers/bowhunters and what can be done by those old field archery guys. You likely could learn something.

From: jaz5833
Date: 17-May-17




It goes to show, how great skill can bridge the gap in equipment.

If you didn't notice, each team had a Compound, Olympic and Barebow shooter. The barebow shooter, on both teams, matched or exceeded the other shooters scores.

However, the compound shooter, equipped with all the bells and whistles was the only one to punch center holes.

From: Jon Stewart
Date: 17-May-17




Agree George, my dad won many Field archery tournaments over the years and took well over 100 big game animals. He shot Barebow or instinctive.

From: tradmt
Date: 17-May-17




George, I said nothing about a field archer not being a successful hunter, not even close. I only stated my thoughts on why a lot of archers consider 30 yards a long shot. It certainly had nothing to do with dismissing history or any particular individual or group of archers.

You are right though, I certainly lack knowledge when it comes to field archery but since I don't already know everything I don't have to deal with how sad all these other archers are I guess.

From: JustSomeDude
Date: 17-May-17




Dave Cousins that was shooting compound....he's a machine. It's not just the gear. In these team shoots, the Barebow shooter looks to be 5 meters closer (the blue stakes). You can read the stakes in a few scenes on the video

The announcers didn't say the ranges but I think the Barebow was 10-40 meters. The elevation was pretty steep.

From: JRW
Date: 17-May-17




Barebow distances for the medal matches are:

10m at a 20cm face 20m at a 40cm face 40m at a 60cm face 50m at an 80cm face

For the team matches, the Barebow archer will shoot one arrow at each. For individual medal matches it's three arrows at each. Very unforgiving to say the least.

From: jk
Date: 17-May-17




The reason field isn't popular is that field has made no effort to gain popularity. Lack of popularity is also the fault of nostalgic/negative types who fail to respect modern target archery, 3-D in particular.

From: JRW
Date: 17-May-17




Well that didn't format well. :)

10m at a 20cm face

20m at a 40cm face

40m at a 60cm face

50m at an 80cm face

From: JRW
Date: 17-May-17




For those who may not know, the US men have taken team gold for the past three WA field championships in a row.

2012 was Cousins (compound), Kaminski (Recurve) and Eagleton (Barebow).

2014 was Broadwater (compound), Ellison (Recurve) and Rogers (Barebow).

2016 was Cousins (compound), Ellison (Recurve), and Demmer (Barebow).

From: Jon Stewart
Date: 17-May-17




JRW, what is the difference between Barebow and recurve?

From: tradmt
Date: 17-May-17




Well, field looks like a hoot but I think most of your archers today are primarily hunters and they want to practice hunting shots in simulated hunting conditions so 3D is king and the longer range stuff just isn't as popular. I know for me personally I want to stay sharp on what my sight picture looks like at the distances I'm going to take hunting shots so that's mostly what I do. I also like to practice groups well beyond my point on to refine my form.

From: BOX CALL
Date: 17-May-17




I seen that the shooters wasn't bashing each others choice of bows,just shooting as a team.I respect that.

From: JustSomeDude
Date: 17-May-17




Jon, "JRW, what is the difference between Barebow and recurve?"

When you see "Recurve" by itself, it generally means Olympic style. Sights, big stabilizers. "Barebow" generally means no sights and allows String/Face Walking.

From: JustSomeDude
Date: 17-May-17




Oh yeah...In what most World Archers consider "Barebow" you can't have stabilizers. Different organizations have different rules though.

From: Jim Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 17-May-17




I think field rounds are really cool and they will humble you in a big hurry! LOL

From: GLF
Date: 17-May-17




People asre allways talking about Hill and Shultz. They didn't get so good by shooting tournaments with a 30 yard max

From: GLF
Date: 17-May-17




this is the field archery classes in the U.S.

http://www.ohioarchers.com/tournament/classes.asp

From: RJH1
Date: 17-May-17




GLF, reading those rules it said that the traditional shooters shot from the youth stakes, is that 10,20,40,50 meters, or something else? Thanks

From: BenMaher
Date: 17-May-17




Field Archery is for the bad ass kids who sit up the back of the bus ... Women want them ... men want to be like them......

If you can lob them in the centre at 45 yards plus out to 80 under pressure...

A critter at 15yards is a chip shot....

From: skookum
Date: 17-May-17




George, I agree with you 100%. I am glad that I was able to participate in field archery in the 1950s and 1960s. I wish that it was popular today——it sure was fun!

From: GLF
Date: 17-May-17




I know NFAA made a rule about 7 or 8 years ago that if the club wanted to allow it at any tournament below sectional, traditional shooters could shoot from youth stakes but I haven't kept up on this for quite a while so I dunno if Ohio Archers honors that rule or not.

From: hawkeye in PA
Date: 17-May-17




Been shooting the field course again the last couple years and enjoying it. Rejoined the PSAA. Using my normal hunting recurve. Also have a couple other stickbow shooters shooting. Brushed out behind the eighty yarder so the newer guys can air one out and it's fun watching the launch.

From: JustSomeDude
Date: 17-May-17




Here is a link that breaks down the different organizations and classes: http://www.musiccityarchery.com/divisions.html

From: Babbling Bob Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 17-May-17




From: hawkeye in PA
Date: 17-May-17




I believe the max distance for PSAA trad bow classification is 50 yards, use to be 60, the same as the bowhunter class. But you just haft to shoot the 80 yarder just 'cause its there!

From: JustSomeDude
Date: 17-May-17




I'll have to make a god backstop to work on that! I'm going to get Lymes disease from digging in the weeds for my arrows.

From: longbowguy
Date: 17-May-17




Most archery clubs in the western states still have field archery courses. Most have 2 courses of 14 targets each. Some have three, a few have 4 or 5 courses. Many members of those clubs hunt deer and elk.

3D is also popular and a good many of those events use the full distances, largely because the compound bow user enjoy the long distances. That is important because there are many more of them than of us and we need their participation to maintain the clubs and the ranges.

But even the traditional only 3D events generally have at least one target at 45 yards or more. This makes for all around good archers, capable of more than short ranges accuracy. - lbg

From: JustSomeDude
Date: 17-May-17




Hah...a "God" backstop...that's what I already have,,,,the woods.

From: jaz5833
Date: 17-May-17




The event in the video is structured for spectators. Normally a "Round" will be on a walking course and contain 28 targets where 1 to 4 arrows will be shot at each target.

From: Joseph
Date: 17-May-17




For anyone interested in NFAA field, just go to the NFAA's website and read the current document entitled "Constitution and By-laws. It spells out the different shooting styles, equipment and age divisions and also describes the different rounds we shoot. I.e. "field", "hunter" , "animal" "lake of the woods", "international" round and so forth. There's also range set-up and staking guides. Very informative. Pretty much answer all your questions. I'm a long time member of one of the oldest field archery clubs in the south east. We're still going, albeit not like the old days, but we're still here.

Good luck Joseph

From: limbwalker
Date: 18-May-17




"If you didn't notice, each team had a Compound, Olympic and Barebow shooter. The barebow shooter, on both teams, matched or exceeded the other shooters scores.

However, the compound shooter, equipped with all the bells and whistles was the only one to punch center holes..."

Taking nothing away from Demmer - the barebow stakes are at least 5M closer, if not 10. But still. Incredible shooting.

From: JustSomeDude
Date: 18-May-17




Yeah...they made Demmer shoot from the kiddie stakes :) They were 5 meters closer on all the targets. I watched a couple of other finals where you could read the stakes.

From: JustSomeDude
Date: 18-May-17




Here is a good video explaining the course. First day is unmarked distance and second day is maked

From: JustSomeDude
Date: 18-May-17




From: jk
Date: 18-May-17




Dude..great videos! Amazing how rarely anybody links to field archery events, given that they're apparently audience-friendly (unlike 3-D and indoor stuff).

From: JRW
Date: 18-May-17




Ben,

"If you can lob them in the centre at 45 yards plus out to 80 under pressure...

"A critter at 15yards is a chip shot...."

And that's what the "target archery has nothing to to with bowhunting" folks fail to realize.

From: JustSomeDude
Date: 18-May-17




I have found events within about 2 hours drive of me east and west.

I set up a target to work on my 900 round....ordered some cheaper arrows with vanes! My hanging target frame is made of metal :)

My 60 yard without Facewalking feels like a hail Mary as i have to hold over a few feet. But with that anchor, my 40 and 50 are easy gaps.

I got some "Toughenized" 122cm targets to hang up. The holdover won't feel as bad with a big target with rings.

From: reddogge Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 18-May-17




On that WA video above the course itself is in the woods and you walk from target to target. The shoot off at the end was on that hill to be spectator friendly.

From: wvhunter
Date: 18-May-17




Great shooting!!!

From: GLF
Date: 18-May-17




For stickbows look up your state has club for classes and rules. Since the stickbow only classes are fairly new I called the nfaa director. He said nfaa still has only one stickbow class for national events but each state is allowed their own rules according to the need for other classes. Ohio has 3 classes,2 recurve and 1 longbow.

From: jk
Date: 18-May-17




Dude, that national organization is falling down on the job. Ought to use (hire?) you for publicity. They obviously need somebody like you. Maybe Hoyt or Lancaster will step up to that plate.

From: GLF
Date: 18-May-17




John I'd just like to see guys get out and have some fun. Lots of different archery endevors are loads of fun. Archery golf is one thing that's a blast but the price of land stops clubs from having archery golf. Target shooters are always seen as just paper punchers. Here in Ohio the OAA(our nfaa org) was the last to hold team hunting competitions in ohio. I haven't shot field archery for ages, nor have I did a lot of other things that are fun in archery. But I'm gonna get out and do as much as I can just to put more fun into it. Some take themselves too seriously to enjoy this stuff, but some of us not so much.

From: jk
Date: 18-May-17




Gary, the few local NFAA field shooters have contributed energy and events that have helped our 50-yr-plus range in operation through the onslaught of wheelies. One of them was important to my own archery restart in the 90s at Harold Groves' range...that guy's still at it, a great influence.

I think JOAD and women in particular represent a lot more potential...maybe because they're not heavy camo enthusiasts.

My city is very big on personal athletics (bicyclists and runners relocate here from Africa and elsewhere in order to train at our mile-high altitude). My city doesn't seem much into college athletics (which are in decline) or television sports (for good reason). Leatherwall folks like to pose as extreme macho characters and don't think of themselves as athletes...and many think being elderly will last forever :-)

From: GLF
Date: 18-May-17




Oh btw people, most nfaa clubs have 3d as well. But it's usually longer distance and marked yardage. Before anyone say anything about marked yardage, it takes the advantage away from the guys who's club is putting on the shoot. Anyone who's been a member of a club for any length of time can tell you , the club members know every inch and what the yardages are no matter how much they move the stakes. Marked yardage gives the visitors the same advantage.

From: JRW
Date: 18-May-17




GLF,

"For stickbows look up your state has club for classes and rules. Since the stickbow only classes are fairly new I called the nfaa director. He said nfaa still has only one stickbow class for national events but each state is allowed their own rules according to the need for other classes. Ohio has 3 classes,2 recurve and 1 longbow."

The NFAA has two "stickbow only" classes for sanctioned events. Traditional has been around since 1985. Longbow is about a decade or so old.

From: GLF
Date: 18-May-17




I only know what the nfaa directors office ib S.Dakota told me this morning. If your looki g at a states made page thats the states rules.

From: GLF
Date: 18-May-17




https://www.nfaausa.com/wp-content/uploads/2015-2016-Constitution.pdf

...... google this, then click on nfaa constitution and by laws. You'll get a contents page n it'll tell ya what page the classes are on. This is aa 2 year update of constitution and by laws. Ohio had the 2 recurve classes and longbow class but the nfaa itself doesn't. So the states classes are what counts, in whatever state your shooting. The basic rules are the same tho.

From: JRW
Date: 18-May-17




GLF,

Someone in Yankton told you wrong. The classes are spelled out in the NFAA Constitution and Bylaws. Pages 31 and 32.

https://www.nfaausa.com/wp-content/uploads/2015-2016- Constitution.pdf

From: JRW
Date: 18-May-17




GLF,

Looks like we posted at the same time. I have no idea what classes every state shoots. Ours follows the NFAA, which has both Traditional and Longbow.

From: BenMaher
Date: 18-May-17




Jason ...

I have changed from being a mad keen Bowhunter into an archery nerd who loves flinging arrows who happens to Bowhunt. ... being really good at Field Archery can only help make you a better hunting shot. The old 'target vs Bowhunting' is inane ad nauseum.

My big problem is I'm still pretty crap at Archery.

From: Bobby B
Date: 18-May-17




Finally got a chance to watch this.

I would like to even shoot (as poorly- ha!) as the Italian team.

That is unbelievable shooting no matter what the rules, equipment, or reason.

My word-

From: jk
Date: 18-May-17




Field archery, whatever it is, seems neatly to have avoided "target vs Bowhunting"...that argument is long dead.

From: Lowcountry
Date: 18-May-17




Thanks for posting. Awesome video.

From: GLF
Date: 18-May-17




One last thing. Nfaa isn't just a target org. They used to have a sheet you could keep track of small game on for awards. They give awards for big game. They also used to have team hunting competitions. I say used to because I have no clue what all they have going on as of right now for bowhunters but they've always promoted bowhunting in a big way.

From: GF
Date: 19-May-17




"The event in the video is structured for spectators."

Yep. But it beats four kinds of snot outta watching golf!

JMO.... Anybody who doesn't shoot 50+ simply has no idea what he's missing.

And it makes no sense to me that someone who claims to hunt with RC/LB because they just prefer shooting one would then state that he doesn't shot past what he considers Hunting Distance because "there's no point in it". That sounds like an extremely utilitarian POV. It makes as much sense as buying a really great (but less-than-entirely-practical) automobile because you're a car buff and a skilled driver.... and then you only drive it to the grocery store.

?????????

I love the idea of NFAA because (IIRC) they are set up so that you can achieve some objective standards that tell you where you stand in the grand scheme of things. Some people get fixated on bragging rights, for which - frankly - I have absolutely no use (neither the bragging rights nor those who pursue them); but I just like the reality check.

You can think you're pretty Hot Snot in the comfort of your back yard, where you never push yourself beyond 50 feet, but I'm happier knowing that thousands if others have accomplished more than I have, because it means I have plenty yet to accomplish before I need tell myself that I've topped out... Keeps the motivation factor where it belongs...

From: JustSomeDude
Date: 19-May-17




Shooting longish is fun (as long as yo aren't breaking or losing too many arrows)! 55+ yards is scary for me. At this point, I am not ready to change my technique to get closer to point on.

I would like to go shoot a 900 round with zero misses. That's my goal. Holding top of the target at 60 yards gets me a "3". Trying to find a system like maybe one arrow point above the top of the target. As long as I am on a big 122CM it would work.

From: Babbling Bob Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 19-May-17




Although the NFAA is only about their field archery and indoor events, when I was a member, they used to recognize bowhunting by providing a libilaty insurance amount of of $500 to land owners for current NFAA members hunting on someone's land. That was a lot of money then (five decades ago) and said a lot about the NFAA recognizing that their members were also hunters.

Sure would like to shoot some field events in the near future, and also hope some of us on here post some information of their experiences doing so. Always enjoy the photos of field archery such as those posted here.

From: JRW
Date: 19-May-17




JSD,

"I would like to go shoot a 900 round with zero misses. That's my goal. Holding top of the target at 60 yards gets me a "3". Trying to find a system like maybe one arrow point above the top of the target. As long as I am on a big 122CM it would work."

Try aiming with the plunger, rest, or shelf.

From: GLF
Date: 19-May-17




They figure on a lot. Non sight classes used to have a rule that your arrow rest or side plate couldnt extend more than 1/4 inch above or below the arrow shaft to keep people from using the edge for distance markers,lol.

From: JRW
Date: 19-May-17




GLF,

That rule is still in place.

From: JustSomeDude
Date: 19-May-17




"Try aiming with the plunger, rest, or shelf." I guess with that big of a holdover, that could work.

From: Catskills
Date: 19-May-17




Some guys at the outdoor range I go to shoot out to 80 yards and I join them sometimes. It's a whole different ball game and kind of a blast as well.

I notice that the team USA barebow guy shoots split while the Olympic guy does three under. Can't argue with either of their results !

From: GLF
Date: 19-May-17




I was just noticing. Our own Dwayne Martin shot in the nfaa indoor nationals here in Cincinnati a couple months ago. He was ahead the first round but fell back by 6 points the second round for second place. Not bad for the nationals. He shot 286 and 282 in traditional class. Calvin Smock of PA won the longbow class with 265 and 232. Great shooting under the pressure of a huge shoot like that.

From: ahunter55
Date: 19-May-17

ahunter55's embedded Photo



My favorite round + Hunter & will be at the Iowa State Field Dyersville, Ia July 9th & then the NFAA 3 day Nationals in Yankton, S.D. July 28,29 & 30th.. (went from 5 to 3 days this year) For me, it is the round that brings out the best in you & definitely separates the boys/girls from the men/women for sure.

From: ahunter55
Date: 19-May-17

ahunter55's embedded Photo



5 day NFAA field NAtionals Pa.. Awesome shooters & a fun time for sure.

From: JRW
Date: 19-May-17




John,

See you in Yankton! Are you shooting LB again this time?

From: Demmer
Date: 19-May-17




It was a fun shoot to be a part of. The quality of the barebow archers around the world is very good. It's why I shoot what I shoot. Like GF was saying, it's nice to have somewhat of a standard that you can compare scores to see where you are at and what is possible. Our field Nationals in Darrington this year will have the deepest/strongest one yet. IDK if anyone here wants to join or not, but check it out if ya want. We shoot from 5-50 meters.





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