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Tempest Riser/Hex 7.5 limbs

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Bowmania 16-May-17
Bowmania 16-May-17
Bowmania 16-May-17
Bowmania 16-May-17
Bowmania 16-May-17
Shifty 16-May-17
Bowmania 16-May-17
cch 16-May-17
savage1 16-May-17
cch 16-May-17
cch 16-May-17
Twisted Branch 16-May-17
mrjeffro 17-May-17
Bowmania 17-May-17
K Cummings 17-May-17
fdp 17-May-17
ca 17-May-17
olddogrib 17-May-17
2 bears 17-May-17
cch 17-May-17
olddogrib 17-May-17
Oak 17-May-17
Bowmania 17-May-17
The Greek 18-May-17
Bowsage 18-May-17
cch 18-May-17
K Cummings 18-May-17
Bowmania 18-May-17
2 bears 18-May-17
Bowmania 18-May-17
cch 18-May-17
K Cummings 19-May-17
Tradmike 20-May-17
Bowmania 20-May-17
Tradmike 21-May-17
From: Bowmania Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 16-May-17

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Let me start out by saying some people are not going to like the aesthetics of this bow. Don't care, this thread is not about that.

In fact, this is my hunting bow. And I wish I could hunt with it until they put ground over me, but it just doesn't see to be the case. The bow is only 50 pounds at 29 inches.

I shot it until the end of last year, but it really caused some problems with my back. Well, it's an accumulation of shooting heavier poundage. Twenty years ago I was shooting 68 pounds.

From: Bowmania Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 16-May-17

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This animal and the one above were shot with a 625 grain carbon arrow (160 grain STOS broadhead that weighed 360 grains up front)and the 50 pound bow. The arrow went through the elk from 28 yards and on the moose which was running got about 20 inches of penetration.

*^&*( I just wrote down the KE on a piece of paper and can't find it. Need to post this or I may loose it. Sorry.

From: Bowmania Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 16-May-17




I'm back. That bow generates 27.2 Foot-pounds of energy at 50 at 29 inches. I'm very impressed on what that bow can do with that heavy arrow and 'light' poundage for big, big game. The arrow I shoot for whitetails is little over a hundred grains less and sails through 200+ pounders.

So with my physical problems I'm very leery of stepping down in weight.

Enter the Tempest with the Hex 7.5 ILF limbs. I got interested in this bow after reading a post about the bows draw force curve. The bowyer (Border Archery in case you didn't know) put a bow on a scale. From 24 to 28 inches IT GAINED 2.4 pounds!!! Most bows gain that from 27 to 28 inches.

My first thoughts about this were that it would be pretty easy to apply back tension to a bow with that kind of gain. I really didn't think about the speed aspect of it and really had not heard much about the term "Super Recurve".

Not that sure of the exact Border history, but the SR's started with a Hex 5 and then Hex 6 with a couple of .5's and .6's thrown in. Then they went to the Hex 7 of which the newest is 7.5. Anyone familiar with their history feel free to add in.

From: Bowmania Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 16-May-17

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The Tempest riser is Border's new metal riser. They started with a 25 incher and then 19 and this is their 21 inch model.

I did some test with this bow and had a little trouble tuning it with that 625 grain arrow. It would fly straight and hit where I look, but a bare shaft wouldn't impact with the fletched. That tells me a broadhead wouldn't fly.

I did want to compare apples to apples. So I had to shoot it through the chrono and I came up with a KE of 33.77 foot-pounds from a bow that scales 39.1 pounds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's 11 pounds less weight and a gain of 6.5 foot-pounds.

From: Bowmania Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 16-May-17

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I tuned up the bow with a .500 spine arrow and ended up with a 250 grain head for a total weight of 500 grains. That's 12.8 grains per pound and the bow shot it at 172.2 fps ave.

Just to get an idea of what the bow would do with a more common arrow, I put on a 145 grain head to get close to 10 grains per pound and came up with 185.2 feet per second. Again an arrow that flew straight, but not tuned.

Speed is one thing (which I'm concerned with, unlike the recent thread running here), but shootability trumps speed. You have to hit the spot.

I was tuning at 22 yards (just a spot to stand where it's comfortable to reach the target I want to shoot at). I started out with 200 grains. It was pretty good but the bare was always a couple of inches left of the fletched. And I discovered I was best off only shooting one bare and one fletched to protect arrows (that's shootability). I shot about 3 two arrow groups like this pictured, once I switched to a 250 grain head.

When I was shooting the 200 grain heads a friend came over and asked if he could shoot the bow. He took two shots with fletched arrows at about 35 yard on a pig target. Both were in the kill zone touching each other!!!

Bowmania

From: Shifty
Date: 16-May-17




OK i have question the bow laying on that Moose what is that Quiver?

From: Bowmania Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 16-May-17




Custom made by Cherokee Slims. He's at Compton every year to the best of my knowledge. Pretty sure it was under a 100 bucks. Asked me for a photo of the bow before he build the quiver.

Bowmania

From: cch
Date: 16-May-17




What an ugly bow I would be embarrassed shooting that thing. Mine is 19" and has an all black string and silencers;)

The hex limb history I think might have started with 3? But know for sure the hex 4 was the start of bigger hooks the the 5s and then a big jump to 6 and several variations of that one and now 7.5s and they are working on a maybe an 8 that actually loses weight from 25-28". Very interesting what Border keeps coming up with. Once you learn how to tune and get use to the way they shoot it is hard going back to conventional limbs.

From: savage1
Date: 16-May-17




That's a great looking bow on good info.

From: cch
Date: 16-May-17




Mine can kill stuff too.

From: cch
Date: 16-May-17




I guess I can't post pictures anymore.

From: Twisted Branch
Date: 16-May-17




Impressive shooting and bow. Like you said you have to hit the spot. SR limbs are becoming more and more popular.

From: mrjeffro
Date: 17-May-17




Love the looks of that bow. My 21" tempest is on order. Are you going to use the rest/plunger for hunting?

From: Bowmania Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 17-May-17




I'm going to put on Dan Decher's strike plate and rest.

Bowmania

From: K Cummings
Date: 17-May-17




Nice shooting and nice bow Bowmania. The Tempest riser is getting some pretty good reviews of late.

As a metal riser fan, I have to say that I have never seen a bow set up with 8 puffs on the string. It sounds like you're really looking to maximize performance, I can't help but think that is working against you.

Is that much silencing needed or is that just traditional "bling?"

KPC

PS: Are those Gateway Rayzr feathers you're using?

From: fdp
Date: 17-May-17




That's some pretty impressive performance. Very interesting to say the least.

From: ca
Date: 17-May-17




Great numbers. Impressive.

From: olddogrib
Date: 17-May-17




I'm confused. Is the Tempest 50# @ 29" also? If so, I'll bet the farm you going to need 400 spine minimum and 340 more than likely. I know there are too many unknown variables to compare set-ups across archers, but just as a point of reference....I shoot 400's out of 47# @ 28" Hex 6.5's. And no it's not a center shot issue...I'm shooting off a sealskin shelf/calf hair sideplate on a wood ILF riser cut the standard 3/16ths past center, i.e. it ain't the plunger.

From: 2 bears
Date: 17-May-17




Very impressive and it obviously shoots. Just curious does it take 3 big silencers + the one at the curves to quieten it and did you get those numbers with the silencers on. Since having to drop bow weight I am very interested in the 7.5 limbs.It is just hard to give up old ways. Thanks. >>>-----> Ken

From: cch
Date: 17-May-17




Looks like that is the way he likes to set up his strings. I see them on his longbow also, just a little smaller.

You can get them quiet enough for hunting with some good tuning. Proper tiller really helps and also a consistent hand placement. Getting a proper spine is also critical.

Old dog, his Tempest is only 39#.

From: olddogrib
Date: 17-May-17




My bad, missed that critical info as it didn't appear until the fourth post. What he's using should be in the ballpark.

From: Oak
Date: 17-May-17




I've been interested in these bows for a while now, but Im having a little trouble navigating their website to get specifics. Did you guys call to get info like current pricing, recommendations based on intended use, ordering payment instructions ect? Or am I missing it on their site? I'mean thinking of pairing a Morrison metal ilf riser with their limbs....

From: Bowmania Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 17-May-17




I put three puff up and 3 down on all my bows. Your trying to get rid of oscillations of the bow string that make the noise and that pretty much eliminates it. With that particular set up it costs 3 feet per second.

On the long bow and that 625 grain arrow I tuned with those little puffs. My whitetail arrow has a lot of puffs similar to the Tempest. It cost me about 5 feet per second. The whitetail arrow has a spine of .620 and that 625 grain arrow is .390. I need the puffs and to change the strike plate to make both fly out of the same bow.

Oak, their web page is useless. I didn't want to call Scotland, so I had been hanging out at TT and contacted them through info I got there. Email me at toddszmania@att.net and I can send you an email address.

Bowmania

From: The Greek Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 18-May-17




Hey Bow, nice pics, and I really dig that bow, I am waiting for the 17" tempest to start being produced, then I think I will pounce.......definitely will be getting hex 7.5 limbs, or maybe even hex 8.0 by the time I save up the bread, lol..............

From: Bowsage
Date: 18-May-17




Oak.....I found prices, recommended limbs to draw length etc. Open every drop down will reveal info

From: cch
Date: 18-May-17




You can contact either Sid and get all the info you want. Sid@borderbows.com for Sr. Sales@borderbows.com for jr.

From: K Cummings
Date: 18-May-17




"I put three puff up and 3 down on all my bows. Your trying to get rid of oscillations of the bow string that make the noise and that pretty much eliminates it. With that particular set up it costs 3 feet per second."

I would have thought it would have cost a lot more in the performance department. I don't have a chronograph so I never really tested it. Maybe the old "string silencers are a huge performance sucker" notion is just another one of those old wives tales.

Thanks,

KPC

From: Bowmania Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 18-May-17




Kind of like the shooting of 5 inch feathers. My tests with 2 inch showed how much robbing the 5 inch did. I thought it only worked with high FOC, but now with another set up and 125 grain head, 2 inch work fine.

I shot 5 inch for 30 years and killed a lot of stuff. Two inch for the last 8 years never again with 5.

Bowmania

From: 2 bears
Date: 18-May-17




Thanks Bowmania for all the information on feathers and silencers.You have backed me up on feathers before. I hadn't figured out the silencers yet. The "old wives tales" are tough to die. Any time some one has done something for 50 years it is just hard to admit there may be something different. You sure have to show concrete proof. Aparently even that huge moose and elk with the short fletches in the quiver didn't make a dent in their openions. Thanks again <------<<< Ken

From: Bowmania Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 18-May-17




Well the stupidest think I've ever heard on here is, "I've done it for 30 years this way and there's a lot of dead animals out there." Yea, I can say that too, but I also have to admit that I did things wrong for 30 years.

I'm Polish and maybe in the habit of doing things the hard way (not admitting I'm ever wrong). Like I didn't use a patch to quit smoking. I used a cold turkey. I shoot split finger. I have a huge gap (and like it) etc. Didn't Howard Hill say something about the hard way. LOL.

Bowmania

From: cch
Date: 18-May-17




If you have a decent tune those little razor feathers work great. I have used them in the past with good results. I use 4" most the time now as some of the tournaments I go to have a 12" feather requirement. So I just use those for everything.

From: K Cummings
Date: 19-May-17




I've been using the Rayzrs for a couple years now and I really like them.

KPC

From: Tradmike Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 20-May-17




Anybody have Dan Deckers email address? Would like to try his rests and side plates

From: Bowmania Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 20-May-17




dansarchery@cox.net

From: Tradmike Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 21-May-17




Thankyou





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