Traditional Archery Discussions on the Leatherwall


So, stone-biting sharp vs razor sharp

Messages posted to thread:
EF Hutton 30-Apr-17
Legato 30-Apr-17
George D. Stout 30-Apr-17
casekiska 30-Apr-17
Ihunts2much 30-Apr-17
Woods Walker 30-Apr-17
EF Hutton 30-Apr-17
dean 30-Apr-17
Woods Walker 30-Apr-17
EF Hutton 30-Apr-17
Longtrad 30-Apr-17
Jon Stewart 30-Apr-17
Scooby-doo 30-Apr-17
dean 30-Apr-17
Scooby-doo 30-Apr-17
Legato 30-Apr-17
From: EF Hutton
Date: 30-Apr-17




So, when i think of razor sharp i envision a smooth sharp edge but one that is fragile.

I seem to prefer what comes come my water wet diamond stones, but not the final step of ceramic or leather.

It cuts all the rubber bands ( which are Not stretched tight ) in the test jig, bites your fingers immediately, will rip a sheet of paper just by pushing, But not necessarily shave hair.

From: Legato
Date: 30-Apr-17




Sharpness is dependent on what you need the application for. A katana could easily slice through an enemy in skilled hands but can't split a log. Whereas, a dull wide angle axe could easily split wood but would just bludgeon someone.

I sharpen my knives to 100000 grit on a strip after numerous sharpening and honing. There have been times where I cut myself and didn't start bleeding until a couple of minutes afterward.

There is a reason why surgical blades are acutely angled and sharp. It causes less trauma on the surgical site to promote less scarring.

Higher angled blades like 30 to 45 degrees are more durable but may not be surgically sharp.

Byron Ferguson had once mentioned he sharpened a broadhead so sharp that when he hit the deer it barely bled because the wound flaps closed.

You can test which may be the best angle for you if you have a double sided blade by getting a thin piece of leather like 1/8" thick, then a piece of denim and over a piece of ham and shooting into it. See which angle holds up best for you on repeated impacts.

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 30-Apr-17




I wouldn't call it a biting edge....for instance, obsidian can be used in scalpels for better cutting versus steel. I also think the term 'razor sharp' is over used when it comes to broadheads. Mine will shave hair from my arm, but certainly has no fragile edge since I only use a mill file, and then a few 'strops' on my leather belt to deburr the edge.

From what I have seen with good natural broadheads, is that they are very effective...as history will show as well, and still being used....and legal in most states. I'm not sure what you really mean in your second sentence.

From: casekiska
Date: 30-Apr-17




Zwickeys & Razorheads,...always used a #8 Mill file and always got'em forearm hair shaving sharp. No problem! You just have to learn how. Zipped a lot of them, in and out, thru a deer. Back in the day learning how to sharpen a broadhead was part of the rite of passage of becoming a bowhunter.

From: Ihunts2much
Date: 30-Apr-17




The polished edge is actually more durable. Those burrs you feel grabbing may rip through paper easily enough but can fold over and cover the cutting edge on impact with hide and tissue. It will also cause less trauma, which equals less clotting.

From: Woods Walker
Date: 30-Apr-17




I don't know what heads you're using, but when I get my 3 blades so they cut rubber bands they will also shave hair too. With the rubber bands they just touch the bands and they cut....not stretched tight either, just firm. I get this with a file and a butcher's steel.

From: EF Hutton
Date: 30-Apr-17




Don't mistake this thread for not knowing how to sharpen heads. Lord i have been st it a long time and am a precisionist.

It simply compares different types of edges.

From: dean
Date: 30-Apr-17




I don't want to shave deer, I want to kill them.

From: Woods Walker
Date: 30-Apr-17




I never said you didn't EF. I was just stating how with the 3 blades and the technique that I use if I get them so they'll slice rubber bands easily then they will also shave the hair on my arm. Maybe blade angle has something to do with it?

From: EF Hutton
Date: 30-Apr-17




I am now only using Snuffers, and now Nap Hellrazors.

Easy to sharpen.

From: Longtrad
Date: 30-Apr-17




Beats me, I go with what is the sharpest AND easiest for me to recreate, so for that that is a few passes through the accusharp then a little stropping on leather or cardboard.

From: Jon Stewart
Date: 30-Apr-17




I like a little jagged edge on my metal points. I would rather have the head rip thru the meat then slice thru. It seems as though the jagged edge has some tearing action which does a lot of damage. JMHO

From: Scooby-doo
Date: 30-Apr-17




A super clean cut is nice and easy to so up and make look pretty. It is also harder to get to stop bleeding, a jagged or rough cut seals up quicker. Now if I am having a surgery, I want a nice clean cut so the scar is not so bad. If I am hunting I want the same thing as it will bleed better. My VPA heads are slick, super sharp and I have ran one head through 7 deer. I get great blood trails and want it that way. Shawn

From: dean
Date: 30-Apr-17




In a deer arteries are tougher muscular tissue. They are not tied tight or rigid. I think some blade shapes and metal types a serrated edge will cut arteries better after the head goes through hair and possibly rib bones. I get good short blood trails on most of my hits with three to one broadheads. My wider Deadheads are shaving sharp and smooth. One would think that there should a vast difference in the blood trails, but so far in over 50 years of shooting deer, I have not seen much difference.

From: Scooby-doo
Date: 30-Apr-17




Sew! Shawn

From: Legato
Date: 30-Apr-17




Surgical cuts do not make it harder to stop bleeding. That's why surgeons cut precisely. The edges are more easily aligned to promote clotting factors to do their thing. The more jagged and more trauma caused (by anything) the harder it is to heal because damage is done all over the place. This is why on gunshot wounds it is essential to determine if there is an exit wound because that exit wound will be bigger, bleed more and shred more. Also the same situation with lighting strikes.





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