Traditional Archery Discussions on the Leatherwall


L. E. Stemmler

Messages posted to thread:
Newhunter 27-Apr-17
Jim Davis 28-Apr-17
Newhunter 28-Apr-17
Jim Davis 29-Apr-17
Jim Davis 29-Apr-17
George D. Stout 29-Apr-17
Jim Davis 29-Apr-17
Kwikdraw 29-Apr-17
Jim Davis 30-Apr-17
From: Newhunter
Date: 27-Apr-17




http://www.instinctive-archery.com/proof- instinctive-aiming-archery/

From: Jim Davis
Date: 28-Apr-17




Have his booklet. Maybe indeed he is to blame for the poor choice of the label.

From: Newhunter
Date: 28-Apr-17




Time to change label?

From: Jim Davis
Date: 29-Apr-17




Never happen, unfortunately. Unless somebody does a study of proprioception as it relates to sports or archery in particular.

If you had titled this thread "instinctive" anything, there would be dozens of posts, many saying the only human instincts are to cry and suck and that archery is all learned, which of course it is.

But we regularly apply previously learned mind-body coordination to previously untried actions, often with a high success ratio.

Those who use entirely visual and tactile references for aiming are using a (very effective) mechanical method to hit the mark.

Those of us who shoot the way a snake strikes are using learned coordination of body parts to make the arrow go where we want it to.

The whole concept gets muddied up by people who either don't understand it, think the term instinctive means the kind of thing that makes the new generation of hummingbirds fly across the gulf of Mexico in the fall, FOLLOWED by the older generation.

NOBODY ever meant that kind of instinct about archery, but that's what we get accused of. It seems as though some people are desperately hanging on to that view in order to not consider what is actually done. That's unfortunate, because humans and all mamals are remarkable creations with amazing coordination.

From: Jim Davis
Date: 29-Apr-17




http://www.physicality.org/TouchIT/touchit-draft/human-body-mind/body-and-mind/

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 29-Apr-17




I think you will find, if you read Maurice Thompson, a reference to instinctive. The only problem nowadays is people who have reconcile everything with words rather than just learning to shoot well and accept that something may not be termed correctly. Then there are those who would change over a hundred years of history just to prove a point.

From: Jim Davis
Date: 29-Apr-17




yep

From: Kwikdraw
Date: 29-Apr-17




Ok guys, tell me how a center fielder hits the mark w/out a peripheral point of reference, ie: the arrow, or whatever? He looses the ball instinctively,from behind his ear, hand-eye-coordination, that's how. I'm not saying the arrow is loosed in that manner, but it's awful close, if not exactly the same. And I personally saw Dave Winfield hit the mark from center to catcher at least 10 times in a row after chasing down fly balls from all over the outfield and peg the catcher, most on the fly. They were all very, very accurate throws, probably better than a skilled stick bowman could do from the same distances, all after running 20 to 90ft before the throw. And this skill is not rare in baseball, or football for that matter. How many 50+ yard passes were perfectly thrown, and/or hit a running target in stride? Winfield was anywhere from 75yds to 115yds out. No cut-off man needed!

From: Jim Davis
Date: 30-Apr-17




Whoa now Kwikdraw, easy there... I think all of us on this thread are thinking as you do.





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