I have a friend shooting a samik sage, it is 25@28 and I think he draws about 27". He is currently shooting a shaft that is way too stiff. The weakest spined reasonably priced shafts I am seeing is the "warrior" shafts and 700 is the weakest that I have seen for them. So, my question is will the 700 spined shafts left 30" long with a 100 or 125 grain tip be weak enough. Front loading then is not really an option, because of the trajectory we need to keep the weight down. Also don't want to spend a ton on shafts as he is still learning. Will this option work, or is there a better way to go. This setup will be for targets and informal shooting. Also he is an older gentleman and is not going to be growing into a heavier bow. Thanks

No .800s and even then leave them long and add at least 150 grains of point weight. Have him shoot some real light aluminiums. Shawn

For under $50.00, you can get a dozen Easton Tribute, XX75 shafts, size 1616 that should do very well at that weight and 28" long with a target tip NIBB. You really don't need carbons as the guy isn't likely to bend many arrows at that weight anyway. You would be at about .875 with the 1616.

I have never tried aluminum arrows as I am a carbon guy, but I do hear aluminums are easier to tune and can confirm that carbons can be a bit tricky.

That in mind, check out this thread for a variety of shafts:

http://leatherwall.bowsite.com/TF/lw/thread2.cfm? threadid=287833&category=88#4194683

Also, youth arrows may be appropriate. I do not know the shooters history, but don't become so overwhelmed with too stiff, too weak, etc. Focus on form and a general grouping with what you guys have. I read somewhere on LW that Howard Hill gave a seminar once going around and shooting a variety of archers' arrows out of his bow into the bull.

No

Another option is Lancaster Archery. They sell single shafts. Easton Jazz aluminum arrows run a little over 3 dollars a shaft and come in various lighter spines. For that price you could try a few different spines and find the one that flies best instead of guessing and being stuck with a dozen shafts that may not be the correct spine.

Predator II any spine you want 55.00 lancaster

I second 800 spine predator 2. They can also be found at big jim's, who is a sponsor here, for $30 for 1/2 dozen.

Another option is 800 spine arrows by fleet wood archery. They can be had for $35-$40 for 1/2 dozen fletched.

I have a 28# bow and a shorter draw length. shoots 700,800,1816,1716 plenty good for me. 1616 like George says too...ron

Thanks everybody, I was kinda thinking they would still be too stiff. I will look into the predators, and the aluminums too

800 predictor II is what I'm shooting on my Olympic rig also. 28# @ 28 in full length. Lancaster was reasonable but I would check Big Jims.

I would use a 1516 aluminum.

Get the Carbon express predators, good arrows.

Easton Apollo shafts come in some very low spines at a reasonable price.

only catch to those little bitty aluminums is they sure do bend easy

Nope. Not weak enough.

And another vote for "nope".

He's not going to be hunting so the aluminums are the way to go. Another advantage of well-marched aluminums that aren't loaded up to compensate for stiff spine is that your friend can shoot 8 gpp and the arrows will zip right along, which makes it far more enjoyable than lobbing arrows at the target.1516 will be too light and I don't think Easton sells those in 28" shafts.

http://alternativess.com/cgi- bin/htmlos.cgi/0056546.1.441971396220820317/s hop/dev/shopfloor.htm? Check here. I bought my son some 1400 spine Easton inspire shafts. Right at $50 for shafts, points and nocks.

A friend has a 29# sage which he's drawing to about 27" off a flipper II rest. I set him up with full length (29") 1616s with a 53gr Nibb point and they paper tune bullet holes.

Stock length on 1516s is 27.5" Stock length on 1616s is 28.5" but Platinum Plus gets you 29" with a G Nock.

Stock length on 1516s is 27.5" Stock length on 1616s is 28.5" but Platinum Plus 1616s get you 29" with a G Nock.

If the 1616s with Nibbs are slightly too stiff you could switch to 63gr bullet points to soften them up of raise the brace a little, or both. And if they're too soft you could trim them or switch to 1716s with bullets and really have yourself some rockets. My grandson shoots 1713s out of an old 27# Bear Tartar with a dacron string. You can soften them by using 1716 bullet points instead of 1713 Nibbs.

Sorry, I meant to say "switch to 1713s" not 1716s.

after reading and posting on this thread I went out and shot my tigercat 27# with 1716 fls. with 100gr point. at 24" draw it showed stiff. my 700 more so....ron

Landcaster has Predator II shafts all the way to 1000 spine and you can buy single shafts for about $5 each so testing is cheap. Grandson is about 28# at 24" and the 1000's work well for him. Buy a couple 800's, 900's and do some testing

With a 24" draw you're probably only getting about 19-20# on that bow. I'd try 1416s full length with a bullet point.

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