Traditional Archery Discussions on the Leatherwall


Okay so I am scared...

Messages posted to thread:
Jeffer 19-Mar-17
George D. Stout 19-Mar-17
Andy Man 19-Mar-17
4nolz@work 19-Mar-17
Jim Davis 19-Mar-17
woodshavins 19-Mar-17
fdp 19-Mar-17
rick allison 19-Mar-17
PECO 19-Mar-17
nrthernrebel05 19-Mar-17
Jim 19-Mar-17
Archer 19-Mar-17
olddogrib 19-Mar-17
Riverwolf 19-Mar-17
Car54 19-Mar-17
1sthound 19-Mar-17
tommy 2 feathers 19-Mar-17
lawdy 19-Mar-17
DanaC 19-Mar-17
Mpdh 19-Mar-17
Tracker7 19-Mar-17
JLBSparks 19-Mar-17
Dan W 19-Mar-17
unhinged 19-Mar-17
Kodiak 19-Mar-17
DanaC 19-Mar-17
SHOOTALOT 19-Mar-17
blue monday 19-Mar-17
4nolz@work 19-Mar-17
JusPassin 19-Mar-17
Pointer 19-Mar-17
RymanCat 19-Mar-17
Bobby B 19-Mar-17
bradsmith2010santafe 19-Mar-17
Bob Rowlands 19-Mar-17
George Tsoukalas 19-Mar-17
MStyles 19-Mar-17
2 bears 19-Mar-17
Den 19-Mar-17
reddogge 19-Mar-17
N. Y. Yankee 19-Mar-17
Bloodtrailin 19-Mar-17
DanaC 19-Mar-17
Phil 19-Mar-17
Shoe 19-Mar-17
Bob Rowlands 19-Mar-17
Desperado 19-Mar-17
tagalong2 19-Mar-17
Bowlim 19-Mar-17
fdp 19-Mar-17
hvac tech 19-Mar-17
RonG 20-Mar-17
Babbling Bob 20-Mar-17
Kwikdraw 20-Mar-17
GLF 20-Mar-17
RymanCat 20-Mar-17
GLF 20-Mar-17
Newhunter 20-Mar-17
Lucas 20-Mar-17
Jimmy Blackmon 20-Mar-17
Bloodtrailin 20-Mar-17
Elkpacker1 20-Mar-17
Dan W 20-Mar-17
Yunwiya 20-Mar-17
Jeffer 20-Mar-17
Backcountry 20-Mar-17
Bow Ben 20-Mar-17
HillbillyKing 20-Mar-17
bradsmith2010santafe 20-Mar-17
Monte 20-Mar-17
YH2268 20-Mar-17
Osr144 20-Mar-17
arrowchucker 20-Mar-17
nowheels 23-Mar-17
TrapperKayak 23-Mar-17
dean 23-Mar-17
From: Jeffer
Date: 19-Mar-17




... to open up the "Instinctive Shooting is a Failure" thread anymore. I think maybe it has gone out of control! I'm afraid to look.

Bahahaha!

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 19-Mar-17




Jeffer. It's like Pandora's box. Best to just let it alone....if you really can. Maybe. Sorta.

From: Andy Man
Date: 19-Mar-17




Don't feel bad Jeffer

I let it go awhile back , just a bad dream

From: 4nolz@work
Date: 19-Mar-17




I didnt even open it

From: Jim Davis
Date: 19-Mar-17




That subject is a good example of confirmation bias at work. People only accept evidence that supports what they already believe.

I don't open those threads much anymore because it's hard for me to not start hating some of the posters.

I just wish the whole concept had never been called "instinctive." That's another thing that's hard for me: The misuse of the language by people whose vocabularies are very limited. They don't know the existing words that well describe a concept, so they misappropriate a word they know.

Ignorance is not bliss, but it's rampant.

From: woodshavins
Date: 19-Mar-17




Yep, just leave it be. No time for the silliness.

From: fdp
Date: 19-Mar-17




Why? Who really cares what folks do, or don't think about the way you or I do, or don't shoot a bow? I know it makes -0- difference to me other then when people start saying stuff that is just dumb.

From: rick allison
Date: 19-Mar-17




Agree Jeff...I just walked away from that mess.

From: PECO
Date: 19-Mar-17




I'm out of that one also.

From: nrthernrebel05
Date: 19-Mar-17




I read it when it was first posted and knew it would turn out to be a free for all. LOL People on here will argue about anything, let alone the "right way" to aim!!

From: Jim Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 19-Mar-17




It's a bunch of crap!

From: Archer
Date: 19-Mar-17




It's a good thing no one has an opinion on it.

From: olddogrib
Date: 19-Mar-17




I'm with Nolz....put the thread down and just slowly back away.

From: Riverwolf
Date: 19-Mar-17




Jeffer , after watching your videos over the years , I think you are beyond wasting your energy with such .....Like arguing a uppercut beats a straight Right every-time. That would be dependent upon whom be throwing the punches and that individuals abilities .

Typical off season bickering . Some use those type threads as a soapbox to shout at those they dislike ...Some to proclaim the path they are on is the best ...... some to truly just share in hopes of helping someone, and yet others to just throw rocks at the agitated hornets nest ........as is often the case , its better to just grab a bow and go shoot a few arrows ;)

From: Car54 Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 19-Mar-17




I ran away..LOL

From: 1sthound
Date: 19-Mar-17




I went out and shot my bow the way I enjoy. And erased all that mess from my mind.

From: tommy 2 feathers
Date: 19-Mar-17




you have to forgive them,for they know not! what they don't know and that is simply the end of it lol

From: lawdy
Date: 19-Mar-17




Some threads become like a vasectomy gone real bad. Limp with no real purpose anymore.

From: DanaC
Date: 19-Mar-17




When a thread reaches 100 posts it's a safe bet that people are talking past each other instead of to each other. I'll pass. Said my piece in the 'other' IA thread.

From: Mpdh
Date: 19-Mar-17




Have no interest listening to someone spout off about a subject they know little about. MP

From: Tracker7
Date: 19-Mar-17




I opened it....but didn't bite. Let's go shoot some arrows now. Shoot straight friends.

From: JLBSparks
Date: 19-Mar-17




I didn't even slow down when I saw that thread.

-Joe

From: Dan W
Date: 19-Mar-17




Thank you Jim Davis! Finally someone who really understands language, & that words actually mean things that really matter.

Spend time editing, copywriting, and proofreading & you just shake your head at all the fights that happen just because of sloppy & incorrect word usage.

"I just wish the whole concept had never been called "instinctive." That's another thing that's hard for me: The misuse of the language by people whose vocabularies are very limited. They don't know the existing words that well describe a concept, so they misappropriate a word they know."

X2, Bingo, & thank you!

From: unhinged
Date: 19-Mar-17




I opened it and saw who the author was, and the post count. Knew then it was a cry out for attention. Nothing productive or educational involved in that thread.

From: Kodiak
Date: 19-Mar-17




I find it an interesting window into the human psyche.

Best thread in years!

From: DanaC
Date: 19-Mar-17




The term has been in use for a long time. Was just poring through an old (1964) archery book by Fred Bear and he uses it freely.

From: SHOOTALOT Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 19-Mar-17




I pass over the title "Instinctive Shooting Is A Failure" now without opening it but the title does still make me smile.

From: blue monday Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 19-Mar-17




Shoot the way you like the proof is in your shooting. If it works for you , which it seems to stick with it. I don't listen to any of the experts. I shoot instinctive righty and point of aim lefty.

From: 4nolz@work
Date: 19-Mar-17




Its too bad you cant see the thread starter on LW it would help avoid hand wringing.

From: JusPassin Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 19-Mar-17




Davids attempt at a Frisky thread. And it worked.

From: Pointer
Date: 19-Mar-17




Once you see David A start a thread you know it will become entertaining in short order..lol.

From: RymanCat
Date: 19-Mar-17




TOLD YOU TO DRAIN THE WALL BEFORE THAT CNN CREEP IN WITH FAKE TRAD NEWS.

NEVER HERD MORE BS THAN ALL THAT.

From: Bobby B
Date: 19-Mar-17




I'm with Jim D and others here.

Always felt that 'intuitive' would have been a more accurate descriptor for what many of us do with archery. I can't claim to have any instincts other than the drive to procreate as it is.

I really have no idea what I am doing when I aim and couldn't describe it anyway- makes my son nuts.

Not sure if it is better or worse that it also starts with an 'I' 8>)

Maybe starting a thread with THAT word would lead to some sensible dialog!

From: bradsmith2010santafe
Date: 19-Mar-17




I read it and posted, I did not take it personally,, i think if I posted less and practiced instead of facebook,, I would improve my shooting dramatically,, I have been practicing my" TURKEY HEAD SHOT" so that has been keeping me busy, and I find if I am shooting well, I sleep better and nothing much bothers me,,:)

From: Bob Rowlands
Date: 19-Mar-17




Had an hour to kill and read it for fun. That stuff used to bug me a bit years ago, but now Im older and really...just could care less. Imo I doubt anyone changes anything from what they read online. For the most part all these forums are filled with old folks just passing the time, where they can socialize in their drawers.

From: George Tsoukalas
Date: 19-Mar-17




After 18 years on here I'm used to it. Jawge

From: MStyles
Date: 19-Mar-17




My own instincts led me away from the thread.

From: 2 bears
Date: 19-Mar-17




I am sorry I hate to go against the grain here and while I admire and respect many folks on the thread and especially the ability and talent of Jeffer.I doubt that any one can equal him but I have seen a lot more of his talent through videos than others. You can see who starts a thread with the first click. The name will be right on top. This is the finest example of trolling I have seen since joining the "Wall" It offered not a shred of advise,encouragement,or help,nor did it ask a question for advice.(not that he needs any) It is the first thread where I have not read ever post and look how many there are already. Since I don't care to read all the negativity I zoomed to the bottom,to post my 2ยข worth. Flame all you want. You know it is the truth.>>>-----> Ken

From: Den
Date: 19-Mar-17




I can't believe I finally read the whole thing yesterday, I'd been ignoring it since it started. The only worthwhile thing I got from it was your videos Jeffer.

From: reddogge Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 19-Mar-17




Proud to say I DID NOT POST ON IT and glad of it.

From: N. Y. Yankee
Date: 19-Mar-17




A poster there got it right when he said the guy sure got a lot of bites on that cast (or something like that) meaning the OP was just fishing anyway. Id like to see a real hardcor "set" aimer hit moving targets like Jeffer does. Go tell Byron that instinctive is a failure. I bet it would sure come as a surprise to him.

From: Bloodtrailin
Date: 19-Mar-17




DOES ANYONE REALIZE THIS THREAD JUST TURNED INTO A CONTINUATION OF THE FIRST BEAST.....LMAO!!!!

From: DanaC
Date: 19-Mar-17




Bloodtrailin, yeah, you got us! ;-)

From: Phil
Date: 19-Mar-17




Jeffer ...

... if it's any consolation, your videos are the perfect embodiment of the Bernstein paradox in action and I often show them to my post grad Neuro students

From: Shoe
Date: 19-Mar-17




Seems like there is enough going on around us everyday to get upset about.....I left this alone.

From: Bob Rowlands
Date: 19-Mar-17




Agree about Jeffer. Instinctive King for sure what an inspiration. He and kids vids are great as well. Blah blah blah blah instinctive threads wah hh wahhh wahh lol... not so hot.

From: Desperado
Date: 19-Mar-17




If you want to make an omelette you gotta break some eggs !!!!!!

From: tagalong2
Date: 19-Mar-17




I'm not sure what shooting style I use but it works for me so I don't think I'll stick with what puts the arrows where I want them.

From: Bowlim
Date: 19-Mar-17




"other then when people start saying stuff that is just dumb."

And that is what it is mostly about. Archers know archery, but this is really a matter of semantics, and it is like watching geriatrics try to do an Olympic routine on the rings.

From: fdp
Date: 19-Mar-17




Bowlim....that's funny.

From: hvac tech
Date: 19-Mar-17




Well the guy that started the thread knew how to get things wound up . i think he got that much done the end result is 99 percent of the guys will keep doing the same thing they have been doing . i know i am not going to change , maybe he wanst to write a book about the subject and is just testing guys out .

From: RonG
Date: 20-Mar-17




I can't believe that many people actually have different opinions on looking at what you are shooting at.

I made my usual joke, I shoot as well as Jeff but I use a 12 inch wide point on my arrows.

I used to answer these things also, but it didn't take long to figure out what was happening, Frisky is a good one for these.

Be careful Jeff, this may turn into the other post....Ha!Ha!

By the way, great shooting, I will never shoot that well on purpose.

From: Babbling Bob Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 20-Mar-17




I haven't opened it since last night. It's like elephant meat - gets larger as you chew it.

From: Kwikdraw
Date: 20-Mar-17




Jeffer is "The Man", and I shoot INSTINCTIVE!

From: GLF
Date: 20-Mar-17




lmaooooooooooooo. So on the anti "instinctive thread" thread a couple guys who can't handle people not agreeing with em try n turn this thread into the thread its against?? I'm so confused!!!!

From: RymanCat
Date: 20-Mar-17




Shoot the way you want you learned it!

This will keep going like a disease.LOL

From: GLF
Date: 20-Mar-17




People talk about others only listening to what they already believe. How many times have you and others completely ignored one of the dictionary definitions of instinct? instinct:behavior that is mediated by reactions below the conscious level. Seems that's what we're speaking of, aiming below the conscious level.

From: Newhunter
Date: 20-Mar-17




Yes and if you dont learn its not the end of the world, buy a nice rifle or start knitting.

From: Lucas
Date: 20-Mar-17




Didn't open the thread, I was pretty sure what it would turn into...

From: Jimmy Blackmon
Date: 20-Mar-17




I opened it this morning and could not resist. They want 1000 comments...I think I may have added 50 with a few thoughts. ;-)

From: Bloodtrailin
Date: 20-Mar-17




Hey let's see if we can get to 600 before the other thread

From: Elkpacker1
Date: 20-Mar-17




lots of bored people

From: Dan W
Date: 20-Mar-17




Dead cow without the humor... :-(

From: Yunwiya
Date: 20-Mar-17




STAR

Starting Topics Alienates Readers

From: Jeffer
Date: 20-Mar-17




Good grief. So I make a joke thread for fun inspired by seeing others attacking each other on the other thread when we should stand together and not apart, and now this one has turned into that. This proves there is no Santa Claus and we are doomed as a society.

From: Backcountry
Date: 20-Mar-17




It simultaneously frustrates, amazes, irritates and amuses me that someone like Jeffers says "I shoot this way..." and others come along and say "No, you dont."

From: Bow Ben
Date: 20-Mar-17




1 Cor. 7:20 "Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called." Instinctive shooting called me 0ver 50 yrs. ago, wherein I abide.

From: HillbillyKing Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 20-Mar-17

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I Aint Never been Skeered whats that feel like ?

From: bradsmith2010santafe
Date: 20-Mar-17




Jeffer,, I usually agree with you, but,,,,,, about the Santa Clause,,, I am sure there is a santa and he has his own video on shooting instintive ,,, actually shoots some flying reindeer,,,, Im pretty sure hes shooting a self bow too,,,:)

From: Monte
Date: 20-Mar-17




If you play much golf you will find the same discussions. And then you will also find a number of golf legends that were and are remarkable inspite of what many would call poor form.

From: YH2268 Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 20-Mar-17




I don't believe there is any such thing as "instinctive shooting", unless maybe you got your eyes closed. I do believe however, that some guys have better methods of "aiming" and are able to go through the shot process more consistently then others. My 2 cents worth.

From: Osr144
Date: 20-Mar-17




My instinct is telling me not to go there.Been there done that. OSR

From: arrowchucker
Date: 20-Mar-17




won't touch. It with a 10' pole

From: nowheels
Date: 23-Mar-17




I haven't opened the thread either, but now I'm curious.......nope, I think I'll stay away!

From: TrapperKayak
Date: 23-Mar-17




Closed.

From: dean
Date: 23-Mar-17




The last time I looked at it, I went out back and snap shot 200 arrows as fast as I could. okay, as far as my property stretches that works just as well as aiming, 30 yards. DOWN WITH ALL OF THAT TARGETY AIMY STUFF. Time to get back to real archery, a ping pong ball on a piece of fishing line swinging in the breeze.





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