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Howard Hill's grave

Messages posted to thread:
two4hooking 08-Mar-17
two4hooking 08-Mar-17
Deno 08-Mar-17
Matt Steed 08-Mar-17
Matt Ewing 08-Mar-17
Jim 08-Mar-17
rick allison 08-Mar-17
Steve turay 08-Mar-17
Steve turay 08-Mar-17
Steve turay 08-Mar-17
Steve turay 08-Mar-17
Steve turay 08-Mar-17
Steve turay 08-Mar-17
Steve turay 08-Mar-17
bodymanbowyer 08-Mar-17
Bud B. 08-Mar-17
timex 08-Mar-17
Matt Ewing 08-Mar-17
Deno 08-Mar-17
bodymanbowyer 08-Mar-17
Ed Grosko 08-Mar-17
Stephengiles 08-Mar-17
Backcountry 08-Mar-17
bigdog21 08-Mar-17
RymanCat 08-Mar-17
traxx 09-Mar-17
THarris 09-Mar-17
Sawtooth 09-Mar-17
Ed Grosko 09-Mar-17
S. North 09-Mar-17
George D. Stout 09-Mar-17
Linecutter 09-Mar-17
Will tell 09-Mar-17
Caboo 09-Mar-17
Jim Davis 09-Mar-17
George D. Stout 09-Mar-17
George D. Stout 09-Mar-17
Riverwolf 09-Mar-17
Deno 09-Mar-17
George D. Stout 10-Mar-17
sleepyhunter 10-Mar-17
Bud B. 10-Mar-17
bigdog21 10-Mar-17
Jim Davis 10-Mar-17
Steve turay 10-Mar-17
bfisherman11 10-Mar-17
aromakr 10-Mar-17
Buckdancer 10-Mar-17
Al Vieira 10-Mar-17
THarris 11-Mar-17
RonG 11-Mar-17
David Mitchell 11-Mar-17
Deno 11-Mar-17
Steve turay 13-Mar-17
two4hooking 13-Mar-17
Kenscollick 13-Mar-17
George D. Stout 13-Mar-17
Deno 13-Mar-17
tradlongbow 14-Mar-17
Danny Pyle 14-Mar-17
Steve turay 14-Mar-17
meatCKR 15-Mar-17
Steve turay 15-Mar-17
Steve turay 16-Mar-17
THarris 17-Mar-17
THarris 18-Mar-17
THarris 18-Mar-17
Jon Stewart 18-Mar-17
Steve turay 18-Mar-17
THarris 18-Mar-17
Marshall 18-Mar-17
hud 18-Mar-17
southpaw13 18-Mar-17
THarris 19-Mar-17
swampwalker 20-Mar-17
OklaLeatherMan 20-Mar-17
THarris 22-Mar-17
Deno 22-Mar-17
swampwalker 22-Mar-17
Jon Stewart 22-Mar-17
BOX CALL 22-Mar-17
Deno 24-Mar-17
Deno 24-Mar-17
THarris 24-Mar-17
two4hooking 24-Mar-17
S. North 24-Mar-17
Andy Man 24-Mar-17
CD 24-Mar-17
Deno 27-Mar-17
Deno 27-Mar-17
MStyles 27-Mar-17
swampwalker 27-Mar-17
traxx 27-Mar-17
HeadHunter® 27-Mar-17
Osr144 27-Mar-17
From: two4hooking
Date: 08-Mar-17




Steve Turey has begun a project to restore/repair the Hill grave site.

Contact him for details if you wish to contribute.

http://www.traditionalarcherysociety.com/post/howard- hill-grave-site-restoration-8438777? pid=1295038859#post1295038859

From: two4hooking
Date: 08-Mar-17




Here is the text of Steve's message:

Since moving to Alabama I have had the opportunity to visit Howard Hills grave in Ashville several times. The grave is in very poor condition. There is a retaining wall on two sides of the grave, a large section of the wall has fallen down. The soil is beginning to erode from the right side of the grave. A few months ago I decided to do something about it. I contacted the caretaker of the cemetery to see if they had any plans on repairs. The gentleman informed me that they have no money to make repairs, they only get a few dollars to keep the grass cut. The cost of repairs and maintenance are the responsibility of the family. I asked if I could have it repaired and he said that would be fine. I talked with a contractor who has agreed to do the work. He's planning on starting around the 1st of April. I'm looking for donations to help fund this project. I have started an account at Wells Fargo to house the funds until the project is complete. If you would like to help out you can contact me at 906-458-5035 or nmlongbow@gmail.com and I can give you details on how you may contribute.

Thanks everyone

From: Deno
Date: 08-Mar-17




TTT

From: Matt Steed Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 08-Mar-17




This is a very honorable project that Steve Turay has started. I have already contacted Steve and told him I wanted to help. He posted several pictures of Howard's grave on the TAS website. I will see if I can post them here on Stickbow.

Thank You Steve for taking on this project. God bless.

From: Matt Ewing
Date: 08-Mar-17




Got any pics and are you going to post progress pics?

From: Jim Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 08-Mar-17




Very noble project!

From: rick allison
Date: 08-Mar-17




Worthy project.

From: Steve turay Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 08-Mar-17

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From: Steve turay Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 08-Mar-17

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From: Steve turay Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 08-Mar-17

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From: Steve turay Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 08-Mar-17

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From: Steve turay Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 08-Mar-17

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From: Steve turay Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 08-Mar-17

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From: Steve turay Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 08-Mar-17

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From: bodymanbowyer
Date: 08-Mar-17




Why doesn't the grounds keeper take better care of it? It's there Job! That's terrible that someone let it get that far. We are supposed to respect those that aren't with us any more. JF

From: Bud B.
Date: 08-Mar-17




"Why doesn't the grounds keeper take better care of it? It's (their) Job!"

No. It is not

From Steve: "I contacted the caretaker of the cemetery to see if they had any plans on repairs. The gentleman informed me that they have no money to make repairs, they only get a few dollars to keep the grass cut. The cost of repairs and maintenance are the responsibility of the family."

Private or church cemeteries do not necessarily have deep pockets for upkeep and repairs. Many times caretakers are volunteers themselves. In a perfect world we would like to see an eternity of upkeep. Too many grave sites are abandoned and forgotten. I am not sure Mr. Hill was buried in a public cemetery. Even they fall short of good upkeep too often.

Kudos, Steve. I hope to visit that site one day.

From: timex
Date: 08-Mar-17




Maybe i should keep my mouth shut. But the first thing That came to my mind was where are the people who make Money selling bows with the Howard hill name on them???

From: Matt Ewing
Date: 08-Mar-17




Thank you Steve. You will here form me shortly. I am having a family issue right now. I do intend to help. Matt

From: Deno
Date: 08-Mar-17




Steve has offered to take the project on and asked for help. No sense in my pointing fingers and making judgments as to whose responsibility it is or why others don't pitch in. He offered to oversee the problem and I for one are willing to help, no questions asked.

Deno

From: bodymanbowyer
Date: 08-Mar-17




Oops. I was only asking. Go for it Steve, good on you. JF

From: Ed Grosko Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 08-Mar-17




I can't believe some of the asinine comments here over a man's grave. Have we lost all honor and decency. I'm thankful for men like Steve who stand up when others have forgotten. That is true honor and decency in action. A virtue that seems to be lost on many.

From: Stephengiles
Date: 08-Mar-17




I used to take care of a cemetery. This is pretty much what happens to all of them after those closest too you have passed. Sooner or later people just stop coming. Saddened me enough to decide to be cremated. Anyway, I'm unemployed right now so I don't have too much money, but I only live about 40 minutes away. I have a strong back if the contractor would like some free help. I have experience in landscaping and laying block. Pm me if you need me. Like I said I'm not interested in payment.

From: Backcountry
Date: 08-Mar-17




I see some good coming out of this for Stephen!

Even though I'm not a fan of Hill bows, I appreciate Hill's contribution.

It would be nice to add a bench and maybe some shade for those who visit. Maybe a plaque detailing some of Hill's accomplishments.

From: bigdog21
Date: 08-Mar-17




Like other have asked have you contacted the ekins at howard hill archery they make pocides off of the hill name i would think they would help and if not i would like to know why.

From: RymanCat
Date: 08-Mar-17




Nice

From: traxx
Date: 09-Mar-17




A noble idea and cause,but the question exist.....

Has anyone,contacted or consulted his Living Relatives concerning this? It might be a wise decision.

From: THarris
Date: 09-Mar-17




Here we go again, someone like Steve Turay (who couldn't be a nicer guy) trying to do something noble, creates some kind of unnecessary controversy.

Rick, I don't know much about the idea of making proceeds off one's name. Just because Ted Ekin and Howard Hill went into business together and when Howard died, then Ted, why the Ekins are responsible for the upkeep of Mr. Hill's gravesite.

IMO, that's like saying Ken Beck or Ron King to contribute to the gravesite's of those they acquired the bow businesses they bought. Hell, I guess I should also be expected to have kept Mr. Hill's gravesite up because I started the Howard Hill Classic (with Ted Ekin's permission).

No Rick, something good has been started by a good man, either contribute or don't, either way, look at it as it is, an unselfish act. I'll gladly contribute to this endeavor myself.

Terry Harris

From: Sawtooth
Date: 09-Mar-17




I think it's a great thing you're doing, Steve. Great job.

From: Ed Grosko Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 09-Mar-17




Here we go again...Now asking about the Ekins and their Profits. I will re post my earlier statement to those who believe they are someone's omniscient, personal judge and conscience. Step up and do something good with your thoughts and energy!

I can't believe some of the asinine comments here over a man's grave. Have we lost all honor and decency. I'm thankful for men like Steve who stand up when others have forgotten. That is true honor and decency in action. A virtue that seems to be lost on many.

From: S. North Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 09-Mar-17




Wish I livedcloser. I retired from a National Cemetery after 27 years. It takes pride to take care of someone else love ones. Kudos to youSteve. Semiper fi

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 09-Mar-17




Terry, sorry I missed the Pre Spring....will be there next year. We had just got back from 3 weeks out west and our rearends were complaining even thinking about another 800 mile drive. 8^).

I'll donate as well. Steve is a good man with a good heart and the country can use more of that. Hill is a large part of our archery history.

From: Linecutter
Date: 09-Mar-17




Is there an estimate as to how much this will cost? It looks like that whole hill edge needs to be contoured (not just where the retaining wall was) differently with a grave setting there. I know anything would be appreciated but it would help having an idea. DANNY

From: Will tell
Date: 09-Mar-17




If Howard Hill is a vet the VA will take care of the grave if their notified.

From: Caboo
Date: 09-Mar-17




Ditto what THarris and EdGrosko said! I will donate as well.

From: Jim Davis
Date: 09-Mar-17




I don't think the Ekins or Jerry Hill are responsible for the upkeep, but I would not be surprised if they too wanted to contribute.

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 09-Mar-17




Jerry is already working with Steve to get it going. Jerry's son is going to work on it as well and not charge for his time.

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 09-Mar-17




Jerry Hill is Howard's nephew. As I mentioned above, he is working with Steve Turay on the project. Jerry's son is also going to help with free labor and he has expertise in concrete work that is needed. Jerry is also talking about it over on his facebook page.

From: Riverwolf
Date: 09-Mar-17




Good of you Steve , Thank you for taking the initiative...

From: Deno
Date: 09-Mar-17

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From the picture, the cemetery looks to be pretty well kept overall. The erosion looks to be from part of the retaining wall which has toppled over. I'm sure Steve and the family will take care of the problem. Good to see Jerry and his son also involved.

Deno

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 10-Mar-17




A person is only as good as their word. I know Steve Turay is that kind of person, I can only hope the others are as well.

From: sleepyhunter
Date: 10-Mar-17




That's disrespectful neglect on the Cemetery. My family had a similar issue with my Grandparents graves in a Dallas Cemetery from ground erosion. It was brought to the Cemeteries attention and fixed. Took some time and many phone calls and visits. But it got fixed.

From: Bud B.
Date: 10-Mar-17




Jerry Hill is posting on facebook about it, for those so inclined to seek it out. Work has already started with a contractor.

From: bigdog21
Date: 10-Mar-17




Tharris yes Steve is doing a great thing. but it should of been taken care of long before now. the Ekins should be helping because without this man Mr. Hill they would not have the fallowing they have n the bow business so yes out of respect to there business maker. they should help keep the up keep. they could even build say a few special commemorative bows and raffle them off with the proceeds going to the grave site. nothing wrong with what Steve wants to do just thinking what's up with family and friends. Not doing it.

From: Jim Davis
Date: 10-Mar-17




Just an observation.

That erosion is probably the result of poor drainage measures on the slope above. The cemetery caretakers need to route the runoff so that it doesn't go across any graves. Speaking to the air here, I know, since none of us are going to be physically involved with the repair...

From: Steve turay Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 10-Mar-17




That's a good observation Jim. I have addressed that with the mason. He has a plan to tile the inside of the wall to insure ground water is diverted properly. The mason is replacing the entire wall.

From: bfisherman11 Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 10-Mar-17




Steve, Very thoughtful. Mr Hill was a pioneer and one of the guys who helped build our sport in the USA. It is a shame what has happened to his grave site. Good news is that does not look to be that costly to fix. Definitely something needing to be done to honor Howard's legacy.

Bill

From: aromakr Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 10-Mar-17




I wish you guy's would get off the Ekins! I doubt Craig even knows about the problem, he's not an internet guy!! If you need someone to rag on try Jerry Hill, he lives there and is always claiming how close he was to Howard.

Bob

From: Buckdancer
Date: 10-Mar-17




O boy !

From: Al Vieira Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 10-Mar-17




I'm in......let me know where to send my contribution.

From: THarris
Date: 11-Mar-17




I agree aromkr,

I personally believe there's no ego or credit needed for Steve Turay. Knowing him for just a few years, Steve's a genuine guy.

Terry Harris

From: RonG
Date: 11-Mar-17




I'll contact Steve for my donation, If I lived closer I would just go and repair everything for nothing, I have done this many times for other folks.

please quit bickering and send a donation even if it is a couple of bucks, this was a great man, if anyone says different I hope you shoot yourself in the foot with your broad-head......LOL!

RonG

From: David Mitchell Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 11-Mar-17




I completely agree with aromakr.

From: Deno
Date: 11-Mar-17




A simple fundraiser started by one great guy for another great guy brings out the best and worse in everyone. The best is very impressive. The worse, finger pointing, is just embarrassing.

Deno

From: Steve turay Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 13-Mar-17

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I met with Jerry Hill and David Header, the contractor to make the final arrangements. David will start demolition of the old retaining wall today.

From: two4hooking
Date: 13-Mar-17

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Great work Steve! Many thanks from all of us for getting this together! I am grateful for the chance to be a small part of it.

From: Kenscollick Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 13-Mar-17




I have started an Ebay auction to help fund this project.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/292054515117?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 13-Mar-17




Awesome Steve. I saw that same photo on Jerry's page over on FB this morning.

From: Deno
Date: 13-Mar-17




Very generous effort Ken. First class!!

Deno

From: tradlongbow
Date: 14-Mar-17




Steve Walker from Farmland Conservation Club came up with the idea of a donation box to be placed at the T.A.S. Trad Bowhunter World Championship for Howard Hill's grave site restoration project. I talked to Steve Turey this morning and he liked the idea. Steve will be a vendor at the shoot.

From: Danny Pyle
Date: 14-Mar-17




Wow! This site brings out the best and the worst. I guess it's true " no good deed goes unpunished". What Steve is doing is very unselfish .

From: Steve turay Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 14-Mar-17




We now have a PayPal link set up for contributions. https://www.paypal.me/HHrestorationAL

From: meatCKR
Date: 15-Mar-17




Excellent! Thanks for setting up the PayPal account. Money Sent. Quick note to those choosing to make a donation via the PayPal account. You will see a check box, that is checked by default, asking if the transaction is for goods and or services. If you leave it checked, PayPal will deduct about 3% from your donation as a PayPal fee. If you un-check that box, then you are essentially gifting the funds and PayPal will not deduct the 3% and donate the full amount. Only those donating can make this decision, but I un-check the box to donate the full amount of my donation.

Steve

From: Steve turay Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 15-Mar-17




K C Kreger of Traditions Leathercraft has made the generous offer to donate $10.00 for every back quiver that he sells from now through the end of June. His web site is www.traditionsleathercraft.com Email kc@swingingkfarm.com 405-595-8279

Thank you for your support KC!

From: Steve turay Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 16-Mar-17




ttt

From: THarris
Date: 17-Mar-17




Back up for a great endeavor.

Terry Harris

From: THarris
Date: 18-Mar-17




Back Up

Terry Harris

From: THarris
Date: 18-Mar-17




TTT

Terry Harris

From: Jon Stewart
Date: 18-Mar-17




I have known Steve for several years as he is a Michigan guy and was a friend of my dads. He is a top shelf guy who will get the job done.

Go to his web site and get his address and send off a few bucks towards this project.

Consider it a "pay it forward" which is what everyone should do.

From: Steve turay Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 18-Mar-17




I just returned from the grave site. I met with the mason this afternoon to check on the progress so far. He has the footer poured and the tile in for drainage. The next step is to build a block wall around the existing wall and then cover it with decorative stone. Weather permitting he hopes to be finished by the end of next week.

From: THarris
Date: 18-Mar-17




I have to say, I've lived in Alabama all my life, started an archery event 13 years ago named after Mr. Hill, and yet I've never even visited Mr. Hill's grave. And if I had, would I have started such a noble venture after seeing his grave site in such disrepair, probably not.

Like most others that had come before me,I would have most likely wondered why it had been ignored.

It took one person, not even related, just a man with TREMENDOUS respect for Howard Hill, to have the heart to put his thoughts into action.

GREAT JOB MY FRIEND.

Terry Harris

From: Marshall
Date: 18-Mar-17




That's awesome, very great thing to do..

From: hud
Date: 18-Mar-17




Thanks to Steve and all those helping with this worthwhile project and to be able to make a donation. Barry

From: southpaw13
Date: 18-Mar-17




Steve is a good guy, glad to have him here in Alabama. The endeavor he is undertaking is the example of what sets us Traditional archers apart from other groups. He has supported traditional archery events here in Alabama such as Pre-Spring, Howard Hill and even our ASTB shoots. I think this is just another way of supporting and promoting our sport, through the actions of Steve, the mason doing the repairs needed and those donating time setting up eBay auctions, etc. or financially. He should be applauded (as most in this thread are doing) but the experience I have had in knowing Steve Turay recently, he isn't seeking applause. Regardless, he is setting an example of unselfishness. I personally applaud you Steve (and those contributing) for what you are doing.

From: THarris
Date: 19-Mar-17




Back Up

Terry Harris

From: swampwalker
Date: 20-Mar-17




TTT

From: OklaLeatherMan Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 20-Mar-17




Thanks for the update Steve. Again, thank you for allowing me to come along side and do a little part to help out a great cause.

From: THarris
Date: 22-Mar-17




Back Up for a great project.

Terry Harris

From: Deno
Date: 22-Mar-17

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From: swampwalker
Date: 22-Mar-17




Looks like a good start!

From: Jon Stewart
Date: 22-Mar-17




ttt

From: BOX CALL Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 22-Mar-17




Wish my basement walls was that straight.??

From: Deno
Date: 24-Mar-17

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From: Deno
Date: 24-Mar-17

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From: THarris
Date: 24-Mar-17




The wall is looking outstanding. When Steve started this endeavor, he obviously had a good vision of this restoration.

I have no doubt that Steve had been thinking of doing this for a while because of the steps he took to get it done right.

GREAT JOB Steve Turay.

Terry Harris

From: two4hooking
Date: 24-Mar-17




Looks sweet!

From: S. North Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 24-Mar-17




Wow. Damm nice job

From: Andy Man
Date: 24-Mar-17




Wow! comming along really nicely

Thanks Steve

From: CD
Date: 24-Mar-17




That is awesome! So generous... obviously a great and caring individual.

Thanks for what you are doing!

From: Deno
Date: 27-Mar-17

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From: Deno
Date: 27-Mar-17

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From: MStyles
Date: 27-Mar-17




I am impressed, that's a huge improvement!

From: swampwalker
Date: 27-Mar-17




Hey Steve, do the funds seem to be holding out? Thx

From: traxx
Date: 27-Mar-17




lookin good men.

From: HeadHunter®
Date: 27-Mar-17




Wow, Mr. Hill would be humbled & proud I feel! God Bless all those involved.... Good People are a rare thing in today's world! Howard's campfire will be a special place to his friends! .... -}}}}}}}}}------------->

From: Osr144
Date: 27-Mar-17




Thats be fitting of a legends grave.Howard Hill I feel will be held in high esteem by lots of archers for many years to come.Thanks Steve fantastic effort. OSR





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