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Nels Grumley

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Brad Lehmann 15-Jan-17
bodymanbowyer 15-Jan-17
bodymanbowyer 15-Jan-17
bodymanbowyer 15-Jan-17
bodymanbowyer 15-Jan-17
bodymanbowyer 15-Jan-17
bodymanbowyer 15-Jan-17
George D. Stout 15-Jan-17
bodymanbowyer 15-Jan-17
Brad Lehmann 15-Jan-17
4nolz@work 15-Jan-17
Brad Lehmann 15-Jan-17
Recurve Crafter 15-Jan-17
Brad Lehmann 15-Jan-17
4nolz@work 15-Jan-17
SWAG 15-Jan-17
Stoner 15-Jan-17
Zepnut 15-Jan-17
4nolz@work 15-Jan-17
SWAG 15-Jan-17
Dan W 15-Jan-17
Blackhawk 15-Jan-17
Brad Lehmann 15-Jan-17
longbows101 15-Jan-17
Chief RID 16-Jan-17
4nolz@work 16-Jan-17
SWAG 21-Jan-17
SWAG 21-Jan-17
SWAG 21-Jan-17
Whitefeather 21-Jan-17
4nolz@work 21-Jan-17
Brad Lehmann 21-Jan-17
bodymanbowyer 21-Jan-17
Knifeguy 21-Jan-17
dragonheart 16-Nov-20
Runner 16-Nov-20
altitude sick 17-Nov-20
dragonheart 17-Nov-20
From: Brad Lehmann Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 15-Jan-17




There is a bow up for auction that is represented as a Grumley bow. I am not an expert on Grumleys but something about the bow strikes me as odd. There appears to be an aluminum lamination in the bow. The aluminum lam Bears were 1949 and 1950 year bows. Nels left Bear in 1948. Since he left prior to Bear using aluminum, it can't be a Bear bow signed by Nels.I have never heard of Nels using aluminum as a lam. Are there any Grumley experts on here that can verify that he did in fact use aluminum?

From: bodymanbowyer
Date: 15-Jan-17




I saw it too. Odd Nels was not a fan of the aluminum in a bow. JF

From: bodymanbowyer
Date: 15-Jan-17

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Date: 15-Jan-17

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Date: 15-Jan-17




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Date: 15-Jan-17

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Date: 15-Jan-17

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From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 15-Jan-17




I didn't see any aluminum in those photos, I believe that is glare.

From: bodymanbowyer
Date: 15-Jan-17

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From: Brad Lehmann Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 15-Jan-17




It may be glare, George. I cannot see anywhere near the definition on this iPad and the bow looks normal. On my computer, it looks just like the aluminum lam Bears. I will fire up the computer and save the picture, then I can play with it.

It is a very nice looking late forties/early fifties bow and I would like to have it. I just prefer to do a little research when my knowledge is minimal.

From: 4nolz@work
Date: 15-Jan-17




Grumley by Grumley I've had one.When he went to work at Sears he experimented with Formica (new then) for overlays also.

From: Brad Lehmann Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 15-Jan-17




Is does appear to be glare. Whew, I thought that Nels had really gone off the deep end.

It appears that the bow will bring good money. It's already over $300. I don't know if I can play on this one.

From: Recurve Crafter Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 15-Jan-17




It wasn't Sears. He worked for Fridgidaire as a pattern maker after he left Bear.

He used refrigerator plastic in some of his later bows.

That particular bow is also backed with some of the first fiberglass that was made available to other bowyers by Bear.

It's definitely a Grumley.

From: Brad Lehmann Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 15-Jan-17




I have an old Bear aluminum lam where there is no lemonwood covering the aluminum. The decals have all fallen off but I am pretty sure that it is a Polar.

From: 4nolz@work
Date: 15-Jan-17




Yes there were 3 versions of the alum lam Polar.

From: SWAG
Date: 15-Jan-17




I bet $1,500 take's her home....

From: Stoner
Date: 15-Jan-17




I know I asked this before, not sure if I was clear on the answer I got before.

Looking at this bow I notice the grain is running back to belly on the bow limbs. Is the lighter color wood maple or some other kind of white wood or osage with sapwood?

Also noticed on the other thread some of the grumley's look to be selfbows chasing a single growth ring. Maybe fortisan backed?

With this info does anyone know what type of construction the brush bow & deerslayer were? Selfbows or built with lams in a caul?

Thanks in advance, John

From: Zepnut Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 15-Jan-17




Beautiful bow. But then again all Grumley's are in a class all by themselves.

From: 4nolz@work
Date: 15-Jan-17




The most common Grumley composite was HYO hickory,yew,osage

From: SWAG
Date: 15-Jan-17




I may be a bit low $610.00 an 6 days to go......

From: Dan W
Date: 15-Jan-17




Just back in from EBay- still up there, still "only" $610, will undoubtedly go up. If it wasn't a dedicated RH it would be bothering the hell out me.

From: Blackhawk
Date: 15-Jan-17




I emailed a friend with my guess of about $2100, but he puts it closer to $3000. If Wade Phillips gets involved, then the sky's the limit.

From: Brad Lehmann Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 15-Jan-17




I have talked with Wade a few time on the phone and came away with the idea that he likes to buy bows when there isn't a bidding war going on. If he does get into the fray, it is because he has the knowledge to know if the bow is "in the money" I have no clue what Grumleys are worth and don't have the museum curator mentality that drives me to possess such bows at high prices. Wade is a different breed of cat and his work and displays show a dedication that is quite rare.

From: longbows101
Date: 15-Jan-17




I've never had a Grumley in my hand ,but center lam. and brush nock lams. look to be lemonwood. The buttery color with no apparent grain structure kinda' reminds me of that. The belly wood I agree to be Osage for sure. Whoever had it must have kept it in a box or something its whole life or the osage would be even darker. Very nice bow!

From: Chief RID
Date: 16-Jan-17




There are warning out there about not shooting the alu. lam bows. Just a caution.

From: 4nolz@work
Date: 16-Jan-17




Wade got a Grumley pre-Bear and another Grumley post-Bear from me I doubt he'll chase it.Its in nice shape Id bet $1800 now(over $3G 10 years ago)great bow

From: SWAG
Date: 21-Jan-17




Less than 20 minutes to go....

From: SWAG
Date: 21-Jan-17




Only $751.00...

From: SWAG
Date: 21-Jan-17




$1,625.00 took'er home.

From: Whitefeather Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 21-Jan-17




My initial impression is that us not a Grumley. I have seen and held several but not all of them. I'd be cautious.

From: 4nolz@work
Date: 21-Jan-17




Its a grumley by grumley my guestimate wasnt far off

From: Brad Lehmann Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 21-Jan-17




Good guess. I was about $900 low with my bid.

From: bodymanbowyer
Date: 21-Jan-17




I was $1625 low ;) WOW what a find. JF

From: Knifeguy
Date: 21-Jan-17




I was way off. I thought it would be over $2500! Now I gotta buy Blackhawk a coffee, he was closer to the selling price than I was. Ha! Lance.

From: dragonheart Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 16-Nov-20




Can someone that has a Grumley bow tell me how wide the bow is at its widest point?

From: Runner
Date: 16-Nov-20




Looks like a good two inches. I'd be interested to know the typical width.

The tri-lam ones when he was with Bear looked narrower. This one looks more like the width of the older all Osage models.

From: altitude sick
Date: 17-Nov-20

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This is my laminated one and it’s right 1 7/8” I think they were all different lengths and various width.

From: dragonheart Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 17-Nov-20




Thank you! I was wondering having never held one, just photos. Not a "narrow" bow limb at the mid limb.





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