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jk 04-Dec-16
jk 04-Dec-16
fdp 04-Dec-16
Wild Bill 04-Dec-16
camodave 04-Dec-16
JustSomeDude 05-Dec-16
jk 05-Dec-16
Bowmania 05-Dec-16
RymanCat 05-Dec-16
fdp 05-Dec-16
jk 05-Dec-16
RymanCat 06-Dec-16
jk 06-Dec-16
jk 06-Dec-16
jk 06-Dec-16
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jk 06-Dec-16
From: jk
Date: 04-Dec-16




I've read about a shooting form practice called "check, check, check" or similar...

Sounds like something to do just before release.

Maybe it refers to the obvious steps some take prior to releasing, at full draw.

If you can explain this please do.

From: jk
Date: 04-Dec-16




ha ! OK...but help me out...I think what I remember had to do with the moments before release.

I've seen guys coming to anchor, peeking at nock and then something else, then releasing...but I wasn't impressed by their accuracy any more than my own mediocrity...

From: fdp
Date: 04-Dec-16




jk...many times what those guys and gals are doing is making sure that the arrow is straight in line vertically with the target from string nock, to arrow point, through to the target.

The are ensuring their windage.

From: Wild Bill
Date: 04-Dec-16




jk,

Many target archers go through a mental checklist, including the follow through. It fosters confidence and combats target panic.

For me, I find that insuring the straightness of my alignment is critical. Also, I must not try to hold the bow absolutely vertical, but instead relax my grip on the bow with a slight cant to my right.

From: camodave
Date: 04-Dec-16




Gives me a headache just thinking about it

DDave

From: JustSomeDude
Date: 05-Dec-16




I used to have a 'pre flight checklist'. Honestly it's a bad idea in my opinion. Do yourself a favor and set up a blank bale. Shoot hundreds of arrows into it getting your form ingrained.

Then go out and only think about aiming. If you start thinking abut any part of your form, go back to the blank bale. It really works. I often ignore my own advice on this and waste a bunch of time

From: jk
Date: 05-Dec-16




oops. NOT "check-check-check".

Someone on ArcheryTalk claimed \"Rick Welch's mantra", "hold, hold, hold." And maybe that was simply a reference to Rick's v- e-r-y long (15sec) holds, seen in video. However "mantra" isn't just one thing, it's several.

THEREFORE..I wonder if some of us use a practiced sequence of non-verbalized awarenesses (perhaps pauses) while at full draw?

The brain is fast, it wouldn't take a second to do a habitual sequence like that.

From: Bowmania Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 05-Dec-16




Rod Jenkins says, pull, pull harder, you can't pull too hard.

Nothing beats a sequence. Well, except what JustSomeDude mention blank bailing. And the combo of the two is the best.

Bowmania

From: RymanCat
Date: 05-Dec-16




Sound like your flying a plane?

Sticks check!

There he is draw down and hit the target or take him. Standing at a target you might see the way your feet line up maybe. Check tell yourself be steady at shot don't move until the arrow is herd or seen hitting intended target your looking at that you picked spot. Check make sure before you release you come to your draw and release point that's about it.

Hunting and shooting anything that takes a breath all bets off. Whatever it takes. Stand and check to long might lose opportunity they aren't statues.

From: fdp
Date: 05-Dec-16




What Bowmania said. When I'm shooting at a blank bail, and LOTS of times when I'm just shooting around the place, I make it a point to work through EVERY step of my shooting sequence. From how I place my fingers on the string, pointing the bow at the target, drawing in line, anchoring solidly, seeing the arrow shaft and target through the bow window, evening the draw on both ides of the body, and expanding through the shot.

It takes longer to describe then it does to do. And whne you get a shot in the field, it is automatic.

There's nothing like an ingrained shot sequence, and EVERY top archer has one. You just have to find yours.

From: jk
Date: 05-Dec-16




Right...practiced, grooved-in shot sequence is ultra-important.

However, what I'm primarily trying to ask here has to do with a mini-sequence that can take place within a moment after anchor and expansion, up to release.

From: RymanCat
Date: 06-Dec-16




You are all that you perceive. You should have visualizations of the shot sequence just like when you see an animal you visualize the arrow going though where your looking.

Many don't have much to show for their efforts because they don't spend the time working at it enough. You learn over the time you put into anything.

There's no secrets to any of this.

From: jk
Date: 06-Dec-16




Glenn, I didn't ask about "secrets," I asked about the direction or discipline of awareness/attention part of sequence.

You used "perceive." Yes, of course. But in archery we focus that perception.

The way we focus (or discipline) perception, immediately prior to release has a lot to do with accuracy.

I'm asking how discipline of perception can be made part of sequence (perhaps a mantra).

From: jk
Date: 06-Dec-16




Runner, what mental or perceptual sequence do you use after anchoring, before release?

From: jk
Date: 06-Dec-16




I think Wild Bill and fdp hit the nail on it's cosmic little head.

I wonder what goes on in Rick Welsh's head, while he holds for 15 seconds? 65# can't be a lot for him, and I've read that he's down to a mere 45#...so something might be rattling around in there.

From: jk
Date: 06-Dec-16




Runner...so..you release instantly when you get to full draw?

You don't hold for even a second ?

You don't do any sort of aim after you've hit full draw?

Some guys, such as Welch, do hold after full draw...so I'm wondering what they're doing while that time passes. Surely not just grunting and hanging on for dear life?

In general, at my current state of development, I do hold for around a second while I'm waiting for for the point of my arrow to settle. Not, however, when my "spot" is very close...e.g. not at a dozen feet.

From: jk
Date: 06-Dec-16




Runner..are you this "many" guy or are you often perfect the instant you anchor? :-) Do you call that "snap shooting" ?

"Many guys are going to be pretty locked on and then obviously drift off a bit and wave around before settling to where they feel back on target."

Does that "wave around" refer to a last second of aiming ?

I know from target rifle competition (Winchester 52) that it was impossible to stop variables entirely it was better to discipline/predict those variables (e.g. motion from breathing). That's what I think my up-to-a-second delay is about. Tell me more.

From: jk
Date: 06-Dec-16




Do you personally "expect it to be stationary at some point?"

"stationary" was impossible from my 52...it couldn''t possibly be as it was bound to me and my hearbeat with a sling. Seems like what happens with a bow string.

I'm guessing you are OK about waiting a second...until a perfect instant...despite your goal of instant perfection.

Close enough to the mark (for you)?

I won't ask if you're "aiming" when you're waiting :-)





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