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How accurate is Bear Bows poundage?

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Steve 26-Sep-16
56' Kodiak 26-Sep-16
George D. Stout 26-Sep-16
Steve 26-Sep-16
fdp 26-Sep-16
Stickhead 26-Sep-16
George D. Stout 26-Sep-16
Steve 26-Sep-16
fdp 26-Sep-16
Jim B 26-Sep-16
George D. Stout 26-Sep-16
Will tell 26-Sep-16
fdp 26-Sep-16
Harleywriter 26-Sep-16
Elkpacker1 26-Sep-16
fdp 26-Sep-16
raghorn 26-Sep-16
RH shooter 26-Sep-16
fdp 27-Sep-16
marshall1960 27-Sep-16
Wispershot 27-Sep-16
Steve 27-Sep-16
goldentrout_one 27-Sep-16
RH shooter 27-Sep-16
sheepdogreno 27-Sep-16
From: Steve
Date: 26-Sep-16

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I ordered Bear Takedown #45 lbs limbs from 3Rivers for my B riserand when i got them they were marked #43lbs. Just got #40lbs Super Grizzly and it felt way too heavy. I put it on the scale and it measured #45lbs. Any idea what's going on with their poundage measurement?

From: 56' Kodiak
Date: 26-Sep-16




Are you measuring at the front of the riser? Not the valley of the grip

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 26-Sep-16




First of all, that 43# is in the range of most bows including customs at 2# off the mark. The other could be just a missed mark written on the bow, or the difference in the scale from Bear to the scale where you measured it. If the 45# is too much, then call the place where you bought it and exchange it. That shouldn't be a problem with a reliable dealer.

From: Steve
Date: 26-Sep-16




I had same Grizzly before at 40 lbs and i could tell the difference that bow was mismarked. My measurements confirmed my suspicion. The point is in one instance the measurement was precise and in other it was off by 5 lbs.

From: fdp
Date: 26-Sep-16




As accurate as anyone else's.

From: Stickhead
Date: 26-Sep-16




Do they measure the weight, then mark the bow, or target a weight, and mark the bow? Why put the actual weight under the strike plate, then put the target weight with some X's on the riser or limb? Yes I understand there needs to be a tolerance for measuring, due to using different scales, but why not mark actual weight? When I got my custom, the bowyer hung weights from the string to test the weight, instead of using a scale. He said it is the most accurate way to measure and makes sense to me.

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 26-Sep-16




Single bowyers do not have a dozen or more bowyers making bows, and they are not turning out thousands of bows. Manufactured bows have a lot of hands doing different processes, including final tillering...marking the bows, etc. The fact that they "mostly" hit the mark is actually pretty amazing in an environment that requires both speed and accuracy. All we hear here is the complaint about this bow or that, when there are thousands coming out of the plant. Likely there will be 95 out of every hundred that is within the logical limit. But like the news media, we don't talk about that because it's not interesting.

From: Steve
Date: 26-Sep-16




For $475 bow you would expect accurate weight markings.

From: fdp
Date: 26-Sep-16




One of the first things that needs to happen with these discussions is that folks need to understand that Bear is a member of AMO, therefore they use the AMO guidelines for marking weight.

AMO doesn't measure weight to the front of the riser, it's from the pivot point of the grip, 26.25". And weight has a variable. That's why it's sometimes marked one way on the bow, and another way under the strikeplate.

From: Jim B
Date: 26-Sep-16




Bear doesn't mark the actual weight but to the nearest 5 lbs.There is a difference with the two handle lengths of takedowns and you will see some "3"s.You won't see any 49# or 51# like in the long distant past.The markings should be within 2lb,plus or minus.

I also like to see the actual weight and for the cost of the takedown...well.

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 26-Sep-16




Yeah, those nasty old companies anyway.

From: Will tell
Date: 26-Sep-16




Bear was a lot better than Martin archery used to be. I like to shoot a bow before buying it, seems some bows vary and pull harder even when the weight is correct. Some 50 pound bows pull like a 60 pound bow and some seem to pull easier. I don't think a couple of pounds difference would make much of a difference in arrow speed or performance. If you want dead on poundage you might have to go to a coustom builder and they usually have a 2 pound plus or minus policy.

From: fdp
Date: 26-Sep-16




That Martin Archery conversation come up a lot. I've never known of that to ever be an issue as long as the bow was weighed the same way that martin weighed them. The 2 pound +/- has nothing to do with "custom' or not....that's the AMO standard.

From: Harleywriter
Date: 26-Sep-16




>I have quite a few Bears, nothing like some OF you guys> but >I can feel that some are heavier than marked> >I have a wonderful 67,5 >Khunter marked at 59 pounds and it feels like it but >I have another KHunter marked at 60 pOunds and it pulls like a 65 pOUnd bOw that >I have>

>My pOint>? >NOt sure, just that fOr me a few pOUnds doesn't make a big difference>

>However, >I have shOt heavy bOws mOst Of my life> >Having to back Off nOW but >I hOpe tO wOrk into my heavier bOws fOr next year> OTaking my 55 pOUnd OSchafer OUt tOmOrrOW evening and sit by an elk trail> >If >I get a shOT, that is great> if >I don't, that is Ok tOO>

>Yes, >I have keyboard prOBlems> OGlass OF ice tea nONsweetened into the bOArd three days agO>

From: Elkpacker1
Date: 26-Sep-16




Nothing has cahnged much in 40 years.My first takedown was the B mag riser 43# limbs.Had them measured and they measured 40#s. For a kid in 9th grade who worked many hours to afford that bow was crushing.

From: fdp
Date: 26-Sep-16




So just out of curiosity, why is there an assumption that folks like Bear, Howatt, Martin, etc., folks that do this stuff for a living, don't know how to measure the draw weight of a bow ????? And that the guy at the local shop can be more accurate ?

From: raghorn
Date: 26-Sep-16




What did Bear say? They are the people you need to talk to.

From: RH shooter
Date: 26-Sep-16




With Bear it's a production line. Mistakes do happen. When comes to measuring the bow i noticed right away, then 3 people tried and told me there's no way it's a 40 pound bow. We used digital scale and it showed 45 pounds. Error margin of 2 pounds is acceptable, but on 58 inch bow the difference of 5 pounds is very noticeable.

From: fdp
Date: 27-Sep-16




"It scales 56# at 28"." how did you weigh it?

From: marshall1960
Date: 27-Sep-16




A +2/-2 equates to a 4# spread. While it might be a standard, I want what I am paying for.

From: Wispershot
Date: 27-Sep-16




Most companies will give you a range of #s eather way from the called weight. Some companies will offer exact weight for extra cost. Pretty common I've found.

From: Steve
Date: 27-Sep-16




For Black Widows you have to pay $75 to get exact weight. Or you can buy what they have in stock and the poundage will be accurate. As a customer i want to know what i am getting even if they will have to weight each bow separately after the build instead of giving me a ball park number.

From: goldentrout_one
Date: 27-Sep-16




9/10 Broke, I've got you beat - my 1969 is marked 45 lb on the side of the riser, but under the strike plate it's marked '53'. The poundage under the strike plate is accurate...now I'm dying of curiosity what it says under your grizzly strike plate!

Ok, I can understand being plus or minus 2 lb from what is marked - but an EIGHT-POUND BUST? And, when Bear measured it correctly at the factory but marked it 45 lb anyway? WTF?!?

From: RH shooter
Date: 27-Sep-16




Bear sclales are measuring in Florida pounds :)

From: sheepdogreno
Date: 27-Sep-16




I'm curious to know if they new bears mark under the strike plate now! I've got a new super grizzly that feels way lighter than the marked 45. But performs unlike any other 45Lb bow I've had. It also just may be because the draw is so smooth.





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