From: Shootski
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Date: 18-Sep-16 |
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Greetings! Long time lurker, first time poster.
So a little help with a new bow. I've been shooting my Martin hunter for about 5 years now and it was my favorite bow in the world. Sadly, I recently caused irreparable le damage to it in a fall.
Being in the midst of bow season, my wife decided to replace it for me as an early Christmas present. I showed her the one I wanted and she ordered it for me, listed as a Martin Hunter recurve.
I git a little surprise when I opened the package. The bow is very similar to my old martin but is marked with the Damon Howatt logo. Now I know a little about the Howatt company but I'd like to see if I can find some info including an age ballpark on this pareticulated bow.
Bow is in mint condition, marked 50# @28" AMO 62" as expected. Serial number 16045 Handcrafted by Howatt followed by "Hunter" and the DH inside a bow logo. Can anybody provide some insight?
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From: woodshavins
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Date: 18-Sep-16 |
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We really need a pic. What is the riser wood/woods?
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From: Mudcreek
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Date: 18-Sep-16 |
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What is particulated ?
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From: Shootski
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Date: 18-Sep-16 |
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Here's a couple pics. The wood and looks nearly identical to my modern martin, a bit lighter though. Martin hunter left, howatt right.
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From: Shootski
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Date: 18-Sep-16 |
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Sorry about that. Auto correct. Particular*
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From: Shootski
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Date: 18-Sep-16 |
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I belive the riser to be Shedua with bubinga and the limbs to be eastern maple and glass
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From: Mountain Man
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Date: 18-Sep-16 |
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Yea,,,but hows it shoot?
Is it what you were lookn for?
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From: Shootski
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Date: 18-Sep-16 |
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Oh yeah. The thing is a dream. I was just surprised to see it as I was expecting a bow identical to my martin hunter. This one is every bit as beautiful and tuned up just as easy.
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From: Shootski
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Date: 18-Sep-16 |
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Does Martin still put out bows with the DH logo? or is this thing older? I was under the impression that they don't use the Damon Howatt decals anymore.
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From: recurve40
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Date: 18-Sep-16 |
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The Howatt name is still used. The shop is still making bows under Howatt name via Martin. All the old boys are gone I believe..
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From: Shootski
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Date: 18-Sep-16 |
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Ah I see. I had thought the Howatt name was phased out. Good to know.
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From: GLF
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Date: 18-Sep-16 |
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Looks like they've gone back to the old sculpting of the riser and the old grip.
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From: Mountain Man
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Date: 18-Sep-16 |
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Good looking bow for sure!
Glad to hear its what you were lookn for
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From: Puma
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Date: 18-Sep-16 |
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I can't track the recent changes at Martin/Howatt, but will offer a couple of observations. Yes, Martin is producing bows under the Howatt logo. They appear to have changed the numbering system, so rather than the first number in the serial number indicating year of manufacture, it's now the first two digits. The wood is shedua and bubinga with maple strips. I spent the past couple of weeks shooting one of these-- I think the serial number was 16145--a close relative to your bow! I shot the best groups I've ever shot with a bow, in spite of the fact that the arrows I had were too stiff for the bow. I will say I didn't care for the FF string, but some string silencers and the right arrows might have quieted the string and made me happier. Enjoy--the new HHs are still great shooters!
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From: Mountain Man
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Date: 18-Sep-16 |
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I like the DH logo better then the Martin lion : )
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From: pop23
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Date: 03-Oct-16 |
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Looking for year an a new string for this Damon Howatt High Speed
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From: Pdiddly
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Date: 03-Oct-16 |
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Need to see a picture of the riser...could be a 1974 or 1984...if it has an inlaid curved stripe on the riser it's a 1974.
You need a 51" actual length string.
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From: Longcruise
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Date: 03-Oct-16 |
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Regarding your broken bow, just going by what can be seen in the picture, maybe it could be repaired!?
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From: Keoneloa
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Date: 03-Oct-16 |
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Puma is right, the Martin shop makes the Howatt bows labeled under the Damon Howatt name and drawn bow logo, and the first 2 digits of the serial number are the year of manufacture, with the next 3 indicating the sequential # of that model made in that production year---so yours would be the 45th Hunter made in 2016. I know this as I called them to date a SD bought off the Big Auction Site--based on the grip design and the wood appearance I thought it was an earlier model, but noooo it was a 2013...after Larry H and the team left... thats when I started digging into the archives here to help figure out the early howatt mysteries 8^)
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From: James Graves
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Date: 20-Jan-17 |
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I found my old bow from my child hood. Can anyone tell me anything about it.
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From: Pdiddly
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Date: 21-Jan-17 |
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Need pictures of the riser and tips. I can tell you it was built before 1968 and after 1960.
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From: Pdiddly
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Date: 22-Jan-17 |
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Likely but not necessarily a 1964.
The first number being the year might or might not be applicable in the date range I indicated as I have bows where it does not apply.
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From: GF
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Date: 22-Jan-17 |
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@Shootski - your old bow is a '97, correct? Either that or they were using a different numbering system depending on the bow... I have a new-to-me Viper with a number starting with 08.... but the handwriting is the same as yours.
Now, Gary... when you say "old"... how far back are you thinking? My '89 is intermediate between the two that Shootski posted...
But what I didn't realize until Larry told me this just recently, is that the individual bowyers had their own personal take on shaping and tipping... which is really cool.
Speaking of which.... Man, would I like to get hold of one of those old Venturas... be PERFECT for my younger son and my wife.
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From: Pdiddly
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Date: 22-Jan-17 |
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I would think Shootski's old bow is a 2007, given the laminated maple and the Martin logo.
in 1997 I believe they were not using the laminated maple in the Hunters.
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From: grizzly
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Date: 22-Jan-17 |
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1974 or newer should say AMO on them? Wasn't that added in 67-68.
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From: Pdiddly
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Date: 22-Jan-17 |
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grizzly...if you are talking about pop23's Hi-Speed then you are correct. AMO was 1968.
That does look like a rosewood riser...if so I have the same bow.
Not sure about the Ventura...need to see the whole bow for both of them.
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From: grizzly
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Date: 22-Jan-17 |
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I'm confused. Are you saying they would put "amo" on Hi-Speeds but not Venturas or other models.
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From: Pdiddly
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Date: 22-Jan-17 |
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They put AMO on all bows after 1968. But the first number being the year the bow was built did not begin until 1965 I think.
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From: grizzly
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Date: 22-Jan-17 |
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From what I have seen, the bows after 1962 with the writing on the lower limbs start with the year in which they were made. Hence my guess that both are 1964's. I have been wrong before though.
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From: Pdiddly
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Date: 23-Jan-17 |
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I would like to figure out the year that occurred as well Tony...I got your PM and would like to compare notes.
I don't have a 1964 but do have a 1965 with the first digit being a five so you could be right on the money.
I agree from 1968 on my Howatt's have AMO in the serial digits.
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From: grizzly
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Date: 23-Jan-17 |
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Yeah, no. Hate that saying as it just doesn't make sense. I was over on another trad site and did some searching for Howatt dating info and ran across an older bow with a serial number that started with a 9 but didn't have AMO in the mix. Shoot, either numbering sequence did not follow the year thing on that one, maybe a nine where a four should have been or sometimes they did not put AMO on them? Too bad we could not talk to Pearl. I just recently picked up a 1961 that Larry had dated for another guy on the other site. It starts with a 1. I'll post a few pics of some I believe to be accurate.
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From: grizzly
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Date: 23-Jan-17 |
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L-R 1961 ventura,1963 catalina,1963 hunter,1959 or 1960 hunter,1972 Super-D,1964 Hi Speed
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From: grizzly
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Date: 23-Jan-17 |
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Side view showing little bit of the risers
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From: Danny
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Date: 24-Jan-17 |
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I need a new DH decal with draw bow and DH inside also super Diablo decal for a refinish on my bow.Can anyone help ?
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From: cueman
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Date: 24-Jan-17 |
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I believe the ventura listed above is a late 64 right after they started using the drawn bow emblem.
Grizzly, not sure, but I think your catalina is a 65. Your serial number has one extra digit more than any of mine. I am guessing here, but I think it may be a March 65 bow which would explain the extra digit (3) and the drawn bow emblem instead of the rider emblem used through late 64. The contour of the glass on the lower end of the riser belly is also different than the 62-63 models that I have. Kenny
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From: nrthernrebel05
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Date: 24-Jan-17 |
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this my '88 Howatt Hunter. I love shooting this bow. Just got done refinishing it.
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From: grizzly
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Date: 24-Jan-17 |
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good looking bow Rebel, bet its a shooter.
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From: grizzly
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Date: 24-Jan-17 |
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Cueman, the Catalina has a four digit serial number, followed with an L that makes it look like another number. I cant remember where I read it or got it from but I think they had overlap of which decal was used when. Meaning you might find a 68 with a conquistador on it? Maybe Larry can straighten us out. I do not think the drawn bow logo was used before 63 or 64. Not sure on the NE Ultra decals. Late fifties to early sixties.
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From: cueman
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Date: 25-Jan-17 |
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Got you grizzly, could not tell from the picture. I dug out my 63 cat and it is a 3024 serial, so early in the year. Yours is probably a late 63 when they just started using the new emblem. My riser fade is also different, it is like the 62 riser. So we know that sometime in 63 they made a slight change to the riser and at the end of 63 they started using the new drawn bow emblem. Does yours have a stab bushing on the back?
And, does your ventura have a knife edge on the sight window? I have a 62 ventura just like yours, same glass and riser, it has a knife edge. Trying to figure out if the 61 did.
Kenny
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From: grizzly
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Date: 25-Jan-17 |
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Yes, stabilizer bushing on back. Wonder if that wasn't something you could request. We need to keep in mind that they all were custom to some degree. Was yours 69" as well? difference in length might have a different look on riser. Did they come in different lengths? Ventura does have a knife edge.
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From: Pdiddly
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Date: 25-Jan-17 |
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My 1962 Monterey and 1962 Hunter have a knife edge as well as my 1963 Diablo.
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From: cueman
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Date: 26-Jan-17 |
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I have a 63 or 64 Delray with a stab and after that looks like all of them had one. So maybe stabs came in around late 63. But they are not on all bows. Maybe it was something that could be requested. The catalina came in 66" and 69", all of mine are 69", have not run across a 66" yet. The delrays came in 62", 66" and 69". Have never seen a 62" delray.
My 63 hunter is 3075, so early 63 and it has a flat belly. What is the serial on your diablo Peter?
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From: Buzz
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Date: 26-Jan-17 |
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From: Buzz
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Date: 26-Jan-17 |
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My '64 diablo has the knife edge.
#EDX 4047.
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From: Dean
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Date: 26-Jan-17 |
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Shootski - Depending upon the amount of damage to your existing bow, you might be able to get it fixed. I would talk to someone about it that is knowledgeable fixing bows.
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From: cueman
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Date: 26-Jan-17 |
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It is interesting which bows had the knife edges. I have a 62 ventura with a knife edge, had a 61 with knife edge. I have had 2 63 hunters, neither had a knife edge, but the 62 did. I don't know about the diablo, only have a 50's model and a super D. The short bows and me don't get along real well, so I have never collected them. I know the Catalina in 62 had a knife edge, I know the Monterey in 62 had a knife edge and the high speed and diablo. Any others have knife edges? Anybody got a 64 in any other model besides the diablo with a knife edge?
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From: Pdiddly
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Date: 05-Feb-17 |
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Hey Kenny
Sorry that I forgot to follow up on this.
The serial number on my Diablo is ED7 3442 54".
It has the later conquistadore and separate Howatt and Yakima Wash. and Diablo decals.
The 7 after the ED (Eldorado Diablo) has a cross hatch through the vertical line of the digit.
I wonder if that is a bowyer number? I see that Buzz's bow has an "X".
Here is the riser on mine.
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From: Pdiddly
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Date: 05-Feb-17 |
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The other side...that wood was just amazing back then!
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From: cueman
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Date: 05-Feb-17 |
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Beautiful Peter. The risers layup changed just slightly on the diablo between 63 and 64. His riser has the 3 thin maple veneers and yours has the 2 thick with thin on either side of the center one. His riser lay up looks like my mid 60's Del rey risers.
Looks like the knife edge was used up thru 64 on the diablo's.
My 63 hunter is HHX 3075 and no knife edge, I guess it was only 62 in the hunters.
How about high speeds? Any later years with knife edge risers?
Kenny
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From: Buzz
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Date: 05-Feb-17 |
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Pdiddly, it looks like an X.
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