From: GlassPowered Hoosier
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Date: 27-Jul-16 |
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Ok so today I was testing the brace heaight on my Bear TD. Worked it in 1/4 " increments from the 7-8 range. When I twisted the string up to what would have been around 8 the upper limb became unlatched from the pressure and did a 180 onto the ground.
So I'm a little dazed and dejected.
Question time:
1) think the bow is still good? I bought it brand new off ebay, but it was built in 98. So no warrenty. It looks all good no cracks or anything.
2) However I did have creaking in this limb and removed the set screw to fix the issue. Sould I put one back in? And is this most likely what cased it in the first place?
Also when I string it the limb did pull out until if found where it fit. With the set screw it just creaked.
3) any other ideas of what whent on?
I had it at 8" before with the set screw out. But this time it went haywire.
This one is a doosy for sure and its making me a firm believer in the 1 piece bows.
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From: silk
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Date: 27-Jul-16 |
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Well .. I have a new 2016 and I have heard of the creak from the limbs and to resolve that I put string wax on the limb butts... The pins are in... I've never had a noise and I've shoot it a lot.
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From: Smokin Joe
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Date: 27-Jul-16 |
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The pin makes sure that the limb is seated in the correct position. In the process of fiddling with brace height, you probably let the limb butt get out of position and it slipped out of the socket. Put the pins back in.
Then go to the hardware store and get some silicone lubricating cream and slather that on the pin and the limb butt. If you can't find the cream, get the spray.
Removing the pins is not the way to solve the squeak.
Just my 2 cents worth after owning quite a few Bear TD bows.
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From: GlassPowered Hoosier
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Date: 27-Jul-16 |
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Thanks Joe. I thought the same thing on researching a fix. But it worked for me.
Fix one thing, find annother issue. I'll pop the screw back in. I've got silicone spray, i'll read the label and give it a try.
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From: Jake
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Date: 27-Jul-16 |
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I just got back my Kodiak takedown from bear, it had the tic tic in lower limb pocket, tried all the remedies some worked for awhile some not. Sent back to Bear, Bear was very good at addressing my problem, they epoxied the limb pockets and reworked them. They said this has been working and they haven't got any back after doing this, shooting it since Friday night and haven't heard it yet, fingers crossed 2 week turn around, pretty good, Jake
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From: PeteA
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Date: 27-Jul-16 |
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I read another thread recently were a guy recommended filing the sides of the pins slightly. I have a 2009 bear take down and hate it for that very reason.
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From: M60gunner
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Date: 27-Jul-16 |
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I wonder about that set screw. Only real use I ever saw was to hold the limb in place when the bow was unstrung. But I had a set of limbs made and the maker had the same issue, limb came out of socket while stringing up bow. He mentioned the fact I had removed the set screw as well. I wonder because when stringing the bow the pressure is on the latch not the screw. I had that creaking noise as well with factory limbs. They had an insert the screw fit into, brass if I remember. I tried the wax, lube, plastic sandwich bag pieces, etc, finally asked around and found out about removing screw. That was back in 1998. another irating noise can come from the string groove area on the limbs. another creaking noise.
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From: 4nolz@work
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Date: 27-Jul-16 |
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The latch wasn't clicked shut?
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From: Ben
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Date: 27-Jul-16 |
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You can unlatch the limb when strung and it will stay in place, so I'd say you need to put the pins back in. I still can't imagine the limb coming out of the socket when strung even though the pins were removed. Are you sure the latch system is attached to the riser as it should be?
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From: 4nolz@work
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Date: 27-Jul-16 |
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why unlatch the limbs when strung?
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From: Ben
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Date: 27-Jul-16 |
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To check the poundage of the limbs that are on the riser. I've done it a lot to figure out which limbs I had on which riser. I have too many risers. LOL
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From: Kodiaktd
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Date: 27-Jul-16 |
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I'm no expert but I thought the pin was not only for limb orientation but also so that the limb couldn't slide up out of the latch.
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From: GlassPowered Hoosier
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Date: 27-Jul-16 |
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4nolz: that's it! I didn't unlatch it. The force of using a stringer blew the latch open. I'm in agreeance with Joe that the limb work its way up due to the screw not being in.
I've already filed the screw on a belt grinder. I took a lot of material off it, still had issues. I put the screw back; gave it some silicone lubrication and will see what it does tomorrow. Guess I'll leave the brace height at 7 3/4. It was not a fun experience. When it happened I thought "well that's not normal" but I knew I was gambling with the set screw.
Lessons learned bridges burned.
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From: 4nolz@work
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Date: 27-Jul-16 |
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You can hear an audible click when it closes I have never heard of a properly seated limb snapped it coming out.I guess I have now.I wonder if the latch is defective have you looked to make sure the latch spring is present?
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From: GlassPowered Hoosier
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Date: 27-Jul-16 |
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Yep all there. And it clicks back to hold the limb now. Its a wierd one. Mabye it worked off because of all the playing with brace height: stringing snd unstringing the bow.
I can definatly see it hapening but I sure didn't notice it. Plus the front of the pockets' paint is scraped a bit and the plasic latch got slightly dammaged. +1 for the Grayling risers. I'll know tomorrow. Maybe it was a feak acident, one of those things that I'll watch like a hawk now.
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From: raghorn
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Date: 27-Jul-16 |
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Raising the brace will not pop a limb out of socket. The only purpose of the limb latch cover is to retain limb in socket when unstrung.
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From: Matt Ewing
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Date: 27-Jul-16 |
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You guys like these because? Lol
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From: Kodiaktd
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Date: 28-Jul-16 |
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I have five Bear Kodiak Takedowns. A 1984, 1989, 1996, 1997, 2016 and I have never had a problem with any of them making a noise, or any other problem. Any bow can malfunction. Back in 1998 I had a Dick Robertson Montana Falcon Takedown's limb break on me a couple weeks before I was scheduled to leave to Colorado for a elk hunt. Dick Robertson replaced the limbs at no charge but he couldn't get them back to me in time for my elk hunt. Lucky I had my Bear Kodiak Takedowns to take.
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From: George Vernon
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Date: 28-Jul-16 |
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I purchased a new Bear takedown two years ago. A 'creaking' noise from the upper limb began after 50 or so shots. I talked with the Bear service center and they said the problem was due to lack of a good fit between the limb butt and the sockets inthe riser. The cause was not all limb butts or the sockets in the riser are made to the same dimensions. So some limbs fit very loosely when unstrung and some will have enough movement when shooting to rub or slip a bit and make the noise. So things like wax and silicone lubricants can help, but often don't fix the problem long term. The person I spoke to at Bear suggested putting thin tape on the very end of the forks in the butt of the limb. Tape should run parallel to the limb and wrap around the ends of the fork in the limb butt. Put one layer of tape and check fit. Keep adding until the fit is snug. My top limb took three layers and bottom took one (I used Gorilla tape). A friend who also has a takedown said he mentioned the same problem to Neil Bryce at Bear and Mr. Bryce send him tape to put on the limb butts. We've both been shooting with this fix for over two years and have had no problems.
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From: Phil Magistro
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Date: 28-Jul-16 |
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I've owned numerous Bear Takedowns over the years and have never had a limb pop out. I have had some limbs that made it difficult to close the latch and I've had some that either clicked or creaked but those problems were easily solved.
I've never used the tape George mentioned but I have used very thin pieces of leather. On one set of limbs I had to sand the limb butt just a bit.
In spite of those slight problems with only some limbs, I was still able to interchange limbs from those made nearly 40 years ago to those made last week and all shoot well.
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From: M60gunner
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Date: 28-Jul-16 |
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I have used pieces of thin foam between the limb and socket. I just cut a piece to fit width of the limb pad. I tried it as a fluke, tired of all the lubes, wax, tape etc. we were moving and I bought a big roll of the stuff for packing dishes at Home Depot. Now I have enough forever, keep a couple pieces in my "stuff" pocket.
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From: lonfitz
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Date: 28-Jul-16 |
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Agree with Kodiakt/d,the screws are there for alignment as well for safety(to keep from "pulling" out) I was told this by Bear.
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From: RH shooter
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Date: 24-Sep-16 |
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Yea, so much annoying stuff you have to deal with for $900 bow.
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From: RH shooter
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Date: 24-Sep-16 |
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With takedowns you have flexibility to change limbs. I never had problems with takedowns. Bear Takedown limb mounting system is very stupid. There's too much metal and actually screws in the riser. But it shoots great, thats why people have to deal with issues listed here. It's like owning a BMW. looks good, drives well but maintenance is a pain.
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From: GlassPowered Hoosier
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Date: 24-Sep-16 |
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Well RH
My big problem at that monent was not that the creaking was happening but that the action of stringing the bow pulled a limb out of the pocket. NEVER remove the set screw, that is what caused it.
Sometime I'm going to have a friend who has a cnc machine we out steel clips because the plasic one was chipped and I don't trust it beyond this season.
Nothing wrong with the bows. Espically if you bought a new one. Should have just sent it back, you paid $900 so you should get the perfect bow. I decided to be a tightwad and buy that particular bow off fleabay for 650. The bow was void of warranty even though it had never been out of the box for more than 50 shots. But the darn thing was built in 1998 and secondhand, yours seems brand new.
My issue was I had a new bow and no warenty and some bad advise that almost made it break. I still have some ticks but my money is on the fact that after a year or two of shooting its going to wear in.
For now: before I go afield, I'm going to tape it up as George Vernon because I think he has the best solution.
I just feel you're a little salty about the bow and I was suprized to see my thread revived, so I felt I need to say something and put the final nail in the coffin.
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From: RH shooter
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Date: 24-Sep-16 |
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I just posted same thread yesteday about same issues and people sent me to your thread. I realised it's a common problem. It's very annoying. Sorry
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From: George D. Stout
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Date: 24-Sep-16 |
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Matt, like any bow, the Bear takedowns have issues now and then, but as a whole 95 or better percent of them never have any issues. It was likely something the archer did accidentally while working with his brace. Crap happens. And there have been hundreds of thousands of them made, and likely most still in use.
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