I asked Bowyer, how much speed have his bow with arrow 9 GPP. The answer was " No idea? but for sure, fast enough to miss "

I quite liked his honest answer,now I know some things about his bow and how his quality geometry . And I'm very grateful to him for that .

that bow cost 1450 € (1630$) , yes € .

for that money i will buy Border Covert Hunter , fast over 200 fps and very precise to not miss target .

and not lie to each other, we all like to have a bow to be fast as possible with a hunting arrow. No matter because speed is not a priority, however we like to bow be fast, or at least that we know how much is

Not me. I make bows and couldn't tell you how fast a single one of them shoots. Speed/efficiency is just one aspect bow making, and to me, no more important than some of the others. For me, it just has to be fast 'enough' and I know whether it is or not with the first arrow or two sent down range. Numbers are for selling/buying and competing, and I do neither.

I don't care one bit about speed. I'll take quiet and accuracy over speed any day. In 25 years of shooting recurves I've never chrono'd a bow and have killed plenty of critters with out issue.

Speed isn't real good to me if it can only deliver a light arrow fast .I am with Jeff on this one .Got a few bows that may be reasonably fast but the important thing is my bows can to deliver a heavy shaft accurately.Speed never enter my thoughts. OSR

Perun, most traditional archers I know like to think their bows are fast enough. Actually, they know they are. This number thing became more prevalent with the advent of cheap chronographs that just about anyone could afford. Of course that leads to much unscientific data that is passed on as fact. That, then, leads to much boasting and tweaking of bows and arrows....of pulling the arrow back to the ear, and other fudging activities. It's the "my dog's bigger than your dog" thing.

Now, it seems that everyone has to quantify everything, from brake horsepower to bow speed.....to front of center weight, and so on. We live in a world of numbers and no one is ever happy about it, so they buy another better, faster bow. That's good for bow sales and the used bow market. 8^).

But yes, most folks do care about speed, but many don't fret over a few feet per second that some guy claims his bow will do better than theirs. Speed is part of a collection of dynamic variables that you can play with, but still only a part. And no, I don't even consider it when I buy a bow. Most people with some experience in the sport can almost guess it anyway by looking at the design.

I don't have nothing if my bow have speed of 170fps . But for 1600$ ?! I want see everything about bow , for example like on http://tomahawkbows.com/BowReports.asp

I'm just saying

On market we have ,speed , smooth and quiet bows for less money ! And bowyer with nice manners !

A fast/efficient bow can be accurate and quiet.

...and goooood lookin'.

As long as a bow fits a person well and meets his expectations, don't think speed alone would make many people change what bow they shoot. A new bow or a custom bow is a stretch on most folks budgets and there are many factors than just speed which come into that decision. Look at the questions that come through this forum all the time on length, draw weight, woods and laminations, refinishing/repair projects, etc. Think most folks are thinking of other criteria more often than speed.

George's "my dog" analogy is pretty accurate as puts is worth where it is.

I started my traditional journey about 4 years ago. I'd been a bowhunter the better part of my life. Coming from compounds I had the speed and compact design mentality. To say I have owned a lot of bows in that time is a serious understatement. I even owned a covert hunter. I liked the bow it was beautiful but just a little bit heavy for me. So like so many before I sold it. Then I won a bow on a benefit auction here, it was a selfbow made be leather walls own Arvin Weaver. 69 inch bow as opposed to most of my others that are 60. After shooting this bow for only a few days I knew that for me these are the kind of bows I want to stick with. It is completely opposite of how I started. So like previous posts have said you have to find what's right for you. I've got some staves drying and can not wait to start carving on them this winter.

I choose a bow because I shoot it BEST. No matter how fast it is. RC

I would worry more about how hard the arrow impacts the target more than how fast it leaves the bow!

OK, but I still think that one Bowyer needs to have all the parameters concerning his bow.

If makes me happy to know how fast is the bow, he needs to tell me. All we know very well that today is difficult to earn money and maybe some easy but I want to get a lot in a bow which I pay so expensive. You tell me that you are paying $ 1,600 a bow and will not ask for speed or you will accept an answer ... is fast

As for me, for this money needs to be the speed demon and beautiful as an angel and quiet as a mouse :)

A quiet bow is very inportant when you consider the speed of sound. Speed is relative to the hunting situation.

Danny, if you have two bows shooting a 600gr arrow, one at 180 fps, the other at 195 fps, which arrow will impact the target more/hardest?

The bottom line is this - a faster arrow will always deliver more energy as long as you aren't having to give up excessive arrow weight & bow stability to get it.

Rick

I used to be more concerned about things like that. I still want the most energetic/powerful setup that I can get if I think about Buffalo hunting, and there is no downside to speed unless something else is sacrificed. I am lucky enough to have a slightly above average drawlength, so even with my lower poundage setups, I have plenty to get the job done. I probably value maneuverability, quietness and smoothness a little more than speed these days, because unless you are talking the absolute fastest bow to a HH style longbow, there are relatively minor differences in speed, whereas there can be large differences in some factors such a quietness and more subjective factors that affect how well you shoot a given bow.

I used to be more concerned about things like that. I still want the most energetic/powerful setup that I can get if I think about Buffalo hunting, and there is no downside to speed unless something else is sacrificed. I am lucky enough to have a slightly above average drawlength, so even with my lower poundage setups, I have plenty to get the job done. I probably value maneuverability, quietness and smoothness a little more than speed these days, because unless you are talking the absolute fastest bow to a HH style longbow, there are relatively minor differences in speed, whereas there can be large differences in some factors such a quietness and more subjective factors that affect how well you shoot a given bow.

I've always liked fast recurves. Flat shooting is important to me and always heard Border makes fast bows so that's what I shoot now.

Covert Hunter with hex-7 limbs, it's fast and shoots my 625grs hunting arrows flat and with some zip on them. I've got a chrono but use it with my airguns when I rebuild them and never shot a arrow through it..my luck I'd hit it.

Thanks Rick

"if you have two bows shooting a 600gr arrow, one at 180 fps, the other at 195 fps, which arrow will impact the target more/hardest?"

Guys, the question for all of you who do not care about speed, which of these two bows would buy?

I think that the next thing we should start comparing in bows is "dry fire speed". :) How fast the string will travel with no arrow on it.

I see no reason for any comparison. The question is a fair relationship with some of whom expect a lot of money for your bow. Are you selling something, the buyer asks .................... give it a fair and honest answer.

I want a bow that balances well,fits my hand, doesn't vibrate my teeth,is quiet and hits where i aim. What i paid for it or if it is faster or slower than the other guys bow has no meaning to me. My dad started me in archery when i was 9, i am 60 now and have run the gambit from recurve, compound,to xbow and back to recurve. With all of them it is the same as i mentioned before. My advice: don't worry ,be happy :) Dave

My answer to the question is, I need more info. If that was the only difference, then the faster one. That bis really never the case, though.

I like that -- should be a speed demon, as beautiful as an angel and quiet as a mouse.

I am drawn to bows by their looks, will get one if it is comfortable, and will keep it if I can tune it to smooth, quiet and stable. If it looks good, feels good and shoots good, that is about as good as it gets.

Years ago I learned most bows that fit that criteria for me shoot within a few feet per second of each other. If I get a nice bow set up and it is shooting noticeably slower or faster than the norm, I might chrono it to see what's up, but speed is not the issue when choosing a bow.

I have been considering ordering a Border bow for some time, but speed has never been a consideration in that decision.

For me, speed means nothing.

Speed wth my Bear bows is more then enough for Me hitting my spot IS what Counts !!!

My bow just needs to be faster than the slowest critter I'm hunt'n!

Perun:OK, but I still think that one Bowyer needs to have all the parameters concerning his bow.

What you are saying is that you want to have someone lie to you.

I can tell you how fast a bow is only if I put that individual bow to a certified test. I build a fast bow but every bow that is build has some variance speed wise. Why? we are building with products that are non homogenous. Even a completely synthetic product will have enough variance to make a difference in speed. Not great but enough that no bowyer I know of can guarantee that you will get a bow that will shoot a certain speed unless that individual bow is tested. We randomly and regularly test bows but not every bow. I can tell you what the last bow I tested and the bow befor that one and the bow before that one tested but I and I doubt anyone else will tell you what a bow you buy is going to shoot,. We can give approximates and those speeds but unless you wish to pay a lot of money for the time and costs of testing an individual bow that is built to your specs then its not going to happen.

God bless, steve

I choose bows how they look and all of them are plenty fast enough. I then learn how to shoot or kill with them. That's about all folks a bow is to me.

I had a set of those speed deman limbs your favorite company company Border makes for my Bear TD's and sold them. The deep hook which gave the speed I didn't like and they were for me not easy to string either. Not saying they weren't good for some I just didn't like them on my Bear risers they also looked out of place I felt. Its not all about speed but with some I guess it is? LOL

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