Nobody's gonna buy that bow anyway. Might as well set it up the way you want.

Alrighty then.

That bow makes my shoulders hurt just looking at it.

Well said. It your bow, do what you want. Most of the trad guys don't sell there bows till they can no longer shoot them. I just sold a 75# Howatt that I could no longer shoot. I made a site for it, the site went with the bow, and I still got $300.00 for it. Add on do now lower the value of the bow. They may in fact make, the value go up. I have a AMF P2 it has a bolt on quiver. The bow is worth more with the quiver then with out it. And remember if you want it bad enough you will spend what ever it takes to get it, No matter what is on the bow. That's all I have to say. Take care, shoot straight. Buckhunter.

I don't like holes or inserts in my bows

Why do you guys have to be nasty?

I have several bows with inserts in them, ordered them that way. Wes Wallace installed them for me when he made the bow.

I don't really care if you don't like them, it's my bow and I'll do what I want with it.

TBB

TBB....don't you know it's an horrific act nowadays? I'm guessing these folks would have needed therapy if they had been around in the 60's and 70's when likely more than half the bows were drilled for something.

Jimeny Christmas! My respect to the man that can shoot that one with accuracy on a cold November morning...

Its a free country right? If you want to drill and put inserts in your new custom Blacktail, do it if it is what you want. If you want to leave your old Martin Hunter pristine, so be it.

There's nothing like that guilty pleasure of taking a classic bow... and applying the rasp to make it even better!

8^).

No holes in my works of art, thank you! Limb bolt quivers on my takedowns work very well, one piece bows, gotta tough it out w/ a strap on or back quiver. But to be truly trad, gotta go w/ the foxy back quiver!:^)

Nice. All my bear bows have inserts

Personal preferrence for me,I just don't care to have any holes drilled in a bow.You see that on some old vintage bows,you'll see holes in the back for a sight and then take that sight off and drill a couple of more holes for a different sight.Then you'll have 4 holes in the back and maybe a couple more on the side of the riser.That was back in the old days.Too many ways to attach a quiver these days without drilling into the riser.I feel it lowers the value of a bow.You see a nice exotic wood bow like say Dale Dye recurve with quickee quiver inserts in the side of the riser and a plastic bracket attached.It just looks tacky to me to do that to a very nice bow.I don't mind bows like all the new Bear's have quiver inserts or like say all Predator's have them too.They came from the factory or bowyer with them.

Haha! Sucker. Shoulda a got a big nasty metal riser now then no one will complain about holes since they are already there and besides it is already a monstrosity!. ;)

Do whatever trips your trigger. I have seen people that have no business with power tools or sharp objects. So no, I don't think drilling holes in a bow is for everybody. :^)

I understand if your a collector not wanting to drill your bows.

If you don't want to drill any holes but want to use a kwikee kwiver use 3M double sided tape to hold the bracket on. Then if you want to remove the bracket use a hair dryer and some cleaning solution.

I'm a heathen all my bows have brass inserts for kwikee kwivers.

This thread has my creative juices running. I'm gonna pimp my English longbows! Side quiver, adjustable scope mount, string tracker, GoPro mount, pinstriping, this'll be totally awesome.

I'll keep you posted.

Crossed Arrows you'll have to get a big purple hat with a bunch of feathers in it. "LOL"

I had Pony Express archery shop in Encino, CA put inserts into my Howatt Hunter (this was in 1984), they put some pretty good gouges in my riser! I was pissed, but I was also 16 so I wasn't about to make too much of a fuss. I still have that bow...

For years I used a bolt-on Martin eight-arrow quiver, that worked pretty good and was easy on-off, but it held the feathers kind of close and it was hard to keep the feather-noise down when shooting with the quiver on. The quiver was really designed for small plastic vanes, not 5" feathers.

Later, I migrated to the Bear snap-on quivers (both the two-arm and the one that attaches to the stabilizer insert). A pretty good quiver but challenging to keep quiet.

The best bow quiver I've found is the Great Northern strap-on, very quiet and easy on-off. The whole inserts debate aside, I think the GN strap-on is probably the best, or at least in the top five.

Wait a minute; this feels like some leg-pulling going on here... I smell a Photoshop rat!

Once I've acquired a bow I know I'm gonna keep for good, then I do what I want with it- radius the shelf, recontour the handle, tip overlays for FF strings etc. I recently salvaged an old Indian Bighorn by wrapping the cracked handle with fiberglass, reshaping the way too high wrist grip and added undyed phenolic tip overlays. Currently working to make my newly acquired Necedah FF compatible.

I consider it hot rodding- very fun to do. My Necedah chrono'd 167 with Dacron and 181 with FF and was quieter doing it.

Here's a pic of the Indian in progress. It was dumpster material before this so nothing hurt to modify it

I appreciate the satire KPC.

I guess first thing is to decide whether your bow is a Shooter or a Collector. If you bought the bow assuming it'll hold its ($$) value, then what manner of Fool would go off and mess it up. If you bought it to launch arrows into the middle of your intended target or to hunt with, then what kind of Fool wouldn't modify it to do exactly what he bought it to do, and as well as possible?

That would be like putting up with a 5 MOA rifle when a free-float and glass bedding job (and some trigger work while you're at it) would turn it into a tack- driver..... All holezone is talking about doing is the equivalent of adding some studs for a sling on a rifle that came without any..... Yeah, that'll just SHRED th value!!!

Personally, not much that I can buy "off the rack" really suits me worth a damn anyway, so I'll customize anything that I have to in order to make it work for me....

Not much sense struggling with a piece of equipment for your whole life just because it might cost you $20 after you're DEAD!!!!

The old timer at the shop laughed his head off when I expressed reservations about screwing a kwikee bracket to my (then) brand new Howatt. He told me in the 60s and 70s NOT putting one in would have been thought silly by most. I had him put one on. Been on for 14 years. Don't give a crap who likes it. Don't give a crap who doesn't. And I sure don't give a crap what's in anybody else's bow. Heck I buy used bows now, good and beat up so when it falls outta my tree or catches on my climbing stick it doesn't bother me lol.

kodiaktd - Thats a great idea! My sweet wife is a milliner and she makes big fancy hats for ladies, so I'll have her make a big Three Musketeers style hat in purple with a lot of bright feathers. Maybe I'll paint the English longbow purple camouflage while I'm at it.

GF - I agree with you. If its a shooter, you do what you want to make it shoot best for you. After all, in any shooting sport, it's not the cost of weapon that hurts. The big cost is the ammo, the travel to tournaments, the hunting licenses and hunting trips, the time away from work and a whole catolog full of designer clothing and accesories.

holezone - I agree with your position. Make the bow better for your purpose, but I have to agree with someone above who mentioned that some guys just don't know how to handle tools, so to those clumsy souls I would ask them to have someone do it.

"I guess I think of guys who would be afraid to drill into a bow won't be into this much longer anyway which is good and that will take care of it, lol! Here's my most recent inserts on my 85# Howatt Hunter."

You're wrong at least in one case... mine. I've been in the archery game for nigh on 57 years and have never drilled a hole in any of my bows!

What i cant believe,is some of the topics that generate this much debate.LOL

I just want to know how a bow can look tacky, its a hunting weapon not a fashion statement..I could care less if a bow has inserts or not as long as they are done right and not all chipped around the edges or bunches of glue all over the riser.. I like nice looking bows but don't worry about them looking tacky, I put limbsavers on all my bows because they work, Ive got a Timberhawk Talon Premier that I gave 900.00 for at Cloverdale this year and had Scott put quiver and raised rest inserts in it..could care less if it hurts the value.

BTW - don't tell anybody, but that custom (but not-made-for-me!) Bighorn I shoot so well has a couple of inserts installed .... I've never put them to use, but they've never been in the way, either. And anybody who thinks they detract from the value of it is a.... Hell, who cares? No plans to sell it, but if that were ever to change, the first option goes to the guy whose name is on it. And he's the one who wanted them in the first place. Don't expect that would affect the value much!! ROFL

Some people just don't deserve nice things :^)

What is really ironic is guys who shot compounds with all the gizmos for a lot of years are the ones who are the biggest detractors of anything on traditional bows. Born again traditionalists; yep, their way is the only way. They once were soiled, but now are pure and they are just trying to keep us from going to hell. I appreciate that.

Where are all these detractors telling us what to do? Is there a parallel universe here or something?

There was a time when you bought a new recurve it came standard with quiver and stabilizer inserts.

I refinished to get the tone I wanted and changed grip on $1300 bow last yr. But, I build traditional flintlocks and know a little about finishing, rasps, etc. So, it's really not that big a deal with me.

The last massed produced bow I purchased is a Ben Pearson Lord Mercury. all bows purchased after that one are semi-custom or custom. I guess it depends on how one sees the bowyer. The one I call semi-custom has an insert on the riser back of the bow which I use for a wrist strap. The long bows all save one which I purchased used are custom made for me. Each of them are 66" bow nock to bow nock one with a straight riser and two with locator grips each bow is 50# @ my DL and none have inserts or superfluous "holes" drilled into them. I'm not concerned about resale value as I will probably have all of them when I die.

Cummings you are an idea man!! This reminds me of the opinions I received through the years re corvettes I owned. I think if I ran a Corvette/traditional bow show combined, I could really start something (probably a bare knuckle free for all). Ha maybe I just have a twisted look at things.

That's a true hybrid relongcurve bow. I bet it shoots great!

Old bows with holes are just as vintage as those without.

Is the old bow with site holes that a guy hunted with for years in all kinds of conditions worth less than a bow without holes that sat on a shelf in a bow sock for 50 years?

Depends on what you are looking for in your piece of archery history I suppose

If it can't be thrown in the truck or dropped from a tree I don't want it.I've had the other kind meh.

Nothing against those that would toss a bow from a treestand, let it bounce around in the bed of the truck, or leave it hang there alone, strung overnight, in a tree, etc, I'm familiar with that type of relationship, but I would NOT give or sell a bow I deeply invested myself in to one who intended to treat it that way. I'm currently working on some bow staves that were cut and cared for, for several decades... one is very near 100 years old and cut by a very prominent bowyer. Ain't nobody gonna throw or drop it anywhere :^)

"Is the old bow with site holes that a guy hunted with for years in all kinds of conditions worth less than a bow without holes that sat on a shelf in a bow sock for 50 years?"

Yes.

Some guys objected to the arrowhead cutouts in the Titan III riser so I "customized" mine. What do you think"

Also improved upon the cheap compass in the riser.

I'm not talking about a deeply invested bow gifted from someone-like my Tim Ott bow from the century stave or a bow Dean gave me.I was referring to my A handle.I don't toss it from a treestand or let it bounce around the truck but I'm not afraid to set it in the bed dropping guys at stand and I have dropped it a time or two.I don't abuse it on purpose but I don't treat it like a piece of fragile art for sure.Its a tool.My guns are well used but not neglected and I don't collect fancy guns either.

reddogge- That looks like a Brunton Smoke Chaser compass. I really like mine!

Joe

Joe, No, it's just a small Silva I carry in my hunting stuff.

It's your bow, but I had my Bear bow drilled back when everyone started mounting snap-on quivers. I still regret it to this day and there's no putting it back to original. Think long and hard before altering your bows. JMHO

It held my quiver well, for about 2 years. I've regretted it for over 25. Not just the dollar value of a collectible bow drops precipitously. The intrinsic clean appearance is ruined. With so many alternatives, there is no need to drill a bow today. But again, it's your bow.

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