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Question for the selfbow gurus

Messages posted to thread:
BR 28-Aug-15
bigdog21 28-Aug-15
Jeff Durnell 29-Aug-15
PEARL DRUMS 29-Aug-15
PEARL DRUMS 29-Aug-15
Jeff Durnell 29-Aug-15
BR 29-Aug-15
George Tsoukalas 29-Aug-15
buster v davenport 29-Aug-15
buster v davenport 29-Aug-15
Onehair 29-Aug-15
Arvin 29-Aug-15
twistedlimbs 30-Aug-15
BR 30-Aug-15
Jim Davis 30-Aug-15
Jeff Durnell 30-Aug-15
From: BR
Date: 28-Aug-15




Some of you may have seen some of my posts about my new Arvin Weaver bow. I have been shooting this bow quite well I think until this week. I have been literally pulling my hair out. Its getting close to being deer season here in my neck of the woods so I had been making some changes to my bow. I added a small efa strap on quiver. And although the bow was pretty quiet felt it could be quieter with moving the silencers Arvin sent with it down the string a little. I messed one up trying to move it but no big deal, I got my yarn out and made a set. Ok this is where all hell broke lose. I went from being able to consistently drill the vitals at 30 yds to hitting my deer target in the rear at 15. First thing I think its the quiver so I pop it off. It helps a little but Im still not putting them in there like I was. Ok so Im thinking my brace has changed. I check it and it is a little low. Take it back up to the 61/4 Id been running her at. Im still not putting them in there like I was. I also was shooting high a lot. So of course I check nock point and its on the money at 1/2. So now im thinking my form is the issue, I really try to pay attention to everything and the harder I concentrate the worse I shoot. My confidence is in the toilet, and everyone knows what that will do to you. Anyway tonight Im shooting and still not great and Im looking the bow over and I notice my silencers are no where close to even, Almost 3 inches difference from the tips. I even them up and put an arrow on and make a heart shot at probably 23 yds. So I continue shooting and Im back in the game the rest of the night. I hit great after doing that. Heres the question, is there any way possible that something that simple could have cost me so much grief? Have yall noticed silencer positioning causing erratic arrow flight? It just don't seem possible to me and yet I know I was drilling it again.

From: bigdog21
Date: 28-Aug-15




Yes it is weight on the string and not being even makes the string out of balance. Picture your string As two parts and the middle is your arrow nocking point. to keep both sides in time when releasing the string having one side closer to the nock could make that side of the string a little slow and throw the hole bow out of time you need the same wieght at the same places. Even changeing silencers with diffrent weight will make your bow shoot different. Are placing them at diffrent lengths from the tips of the bow compared to original set up.

From: Jeff Durnell Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 29-Aug-15




If you really want to know if that was the cause, move it 3" and try it again.

From: PEARL DRUMS
Date: 29-Aug-15




Good call Jeff. I cant tell you how many times Ive shot bows with one silencer hanging on, or one 10" off from the other. Or none at all , then add one, or two. So my take? No, that wasn't your problem. Your mind was distracted. Ive not met a self bow that was as easy to shoot and tolerable of me, like you can quite often in glass bows. They need to be held in your bow hand EXACTLY the same each time, that finger pressure on the string needs to be dead even across all three. Your draw length/anchor must be dead nuzt every time. They will not tolerate inconsistency like glass bow sometimes will. If one of those things is off, the arrow will bang off the bow, show stiff or weak at the target, spray the target or just plain cork screw and suck! Then, grab three more and they leave silently and spin true. Self bows are a true challenge all around, building them or "k"not.

From: PEARL DRUMS
Date: 29-Aug-15




Disclaimer: I'm not a guru, just like wood bows a lot.

From: Jeff Durnell Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 29-Aug-15




I also doubt if the silencer being 3" different from the other had anything to do with it. When he said the harder he concentrated the worse it got, that kind of led me to think it was more him than the bow.

From: BR
Date: 29-Aug-15




I'm with you guys I can't hardly believe it was silencer position either, it was the turning point for me though. I'm going to try moving it back and see what happens. What's made it so frustrating is since I've got arrows tuned to this bow I bow shooting it very well until my slump this past week. It's very humbling. But sometimes that's a good thing.

From: George Tsoukalas
Date: 29-Aug-15




To answer your question, BR, no I never was that picky with silencers. I put some fur right under the Flemish splice and that's it.

But you should go with what works for you.

Be aware of the role of consistent draw length in accuracy.

Jawge

From: buster v davenport
Date: 29-Aug-15




Do some practicing with your hunting clothes on. bvd

From: buster v davenport
Date: 29-Aug-15




Do some practicing with your hunting clothes on. bvd

From: Onehair
Date: 29-Aug-15




Me thinks it's the nut behind the wheel.

From: Arvin
Date: 29-Aug-15




I will say this . Don't screw with what works. Take a four day brake . Pick it up and see what happens . That selfbow might be tired.lol have fun with it my friend. Arvin

From: twistedlimbs
Date: 30-Aug-15




I'd pretty well guarantee there is nothing wrong with the bow nor the silencers. Selfbows are typically not overly picky. Brace height isn't an overly particular measurement. On some of my bows I only put 1 fur silencer and there are no issues with that at all. It's mental at this point. Here is a video I did a while back that may help you.

From: BR
Date: 30-Aug-15




Well I moved the silencer back just cause I wanted to know. I missed my mark, the first shot that is. I started putting them in there after that. Moved them back even and shot good. The difference was I was completely relaxed. I was just trying to blame it on something else besides myself I guess. I refuse to admit that I may have had a touch of target panic. Im hitting great again and Im not changing anything. Twisted limbs, that video described me perfectly. Great video and it hit home. Im going to take your advice and slow it down, I shoot way yonder to much. My season starts next Saturday and man I was stressed that I wasn't hitting. I wasn't going to put the bow down until I did. Thanks guys for the advice.

From: Jim Davis
Date: 30-Aug-15




Yep. I can shoot poorly with any bow. Pick it up the next day and can't miss. I was the only change.

Jim

From: Jeff Durnell Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 30-Aug-15




Silence the mind...

Just shoot.





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