Who has experience with the ILF system?

Am looking at the Apex take down recurve. What does enclosed pockets mean?

It says 1 to 10% adjustment. Does that mean 40# limbs could be adjusted up to 44 or 45# limbs adjusted down to 41?

Anyone with hands on experience? Thanks for any replies.

Just means there is kind of a pocket the limb butts are recessed, looks better and it just depends on the brand of limbs and how they are marked, 40# Trad Tech would go from 40-44ish on that riser, Dryad rates their limbs on a 19" riser and limbs are marked at the mid point on their weight for example.

Usually you can adjust the weight up or down a pound or two by turning the limb bolts in or out a few turns. With enclosed limb pockets you might have to work on the limb butts a bit to get them to fit on other brands of limbs.

I have a new ILF, handle is the smallest wood one I could find. Then I took a sander to it to shape it like a longbow handle. Right now I have a set of Border hex6 limbs on it and it's all been dipped in Natural gear camo. It shoot great and the closer to hunting season I start cranking it up a little each week. Made it for longbow limbs but the buy on the Border limbs was to good and I know those limbs are great. Plan on longbow limbs next year. Most people trade bows because they get a new bow and don't like how the handle feels. This one when I got it was the worst I had tried . Now it great , had a few mag ones but just not my thing.

Hey Greyrider would you mind posting a pic of that set up? I'm interested in seeing that!

Ty

Yes, I would like to see it too please?

I bought a 15" Black Onyx riser back in Feb this year and 3 Morrison Risers in the last 2 months. they seem to have enclosed pockets. I have made 5 sets of ILF limbs for these risers so far. I had zero ILF experience before building the first set of limbs. I am really enjoying the adjustability of the ILF system, I have the bolts tightened down to the recommended maximum for more limb preload.

with the enclosed pocket you dont see the side of limb bolt.

Try giving John Wert at Lancaster a call , he will definitely help you.

Have owned a couple Titans, a Buffolo,an Excel, and now have 2 - seventeen inch VAP metal risers and liked them all. Just like playing with them all. Bought them used and it gives the archer the ability to change grips . The VAP comes with a Jager grip and it is the best for me. It is addictive as there is always someone selling ILF limbs at a very reasonable price out there. Thanks, Roy

My comment here is kinda related to the intent of the actual question originally posed: I read somewhere once the intent of the ILF was not so much the ability to adjust the weight but to be able to adjust the limbs so that the stack happens at the end of the shooter's draw length to maximize performance. Is this the main idea of the ILF limbs?

You'd have to go back and ask Earl Hoyt what the main reason for the creation of ILF fittings was. However, that is one of the things that they can due. They also offer a wide range of tillering, limb timing adjustments. In addition it makes it VERY handy to change limbs back and forth on the same riser.

People will tell you what you want, or don't want to here about ILF. My best guess is Earl thought it a good idea to have an "International Lim Fit" so folks could make easy changes of their limbs, regardless of the riser make, model, color, or whatever. The old folks like Earl knew it was good for archery as a whole, and whatever was good for archery would be good for Hoyt too. The adjustment is a byproduct of the design...tiller, weight adjustment, lateral adjustment on some models, etc.

When those limbs were introduced in the early 1980's, most bow sales in the US were compound so Earl was looking toward the FITA end and International sales, and I think that was also part of the equation. Looking back it was one of those "things" that kinda went unnoticed overall over here, but one of the most significant aspects of takedown bow archery. It's taken awhile here for folks to "get-it", and now the hunting bow line is benefiting from Mr. Hoyt's design. The beauty of the ILF setup is you can get high performance from a relatively small investment, and versatility that no other system allows for.

Yes it did come from the HDS system, but since Earl never showed an interest in protecting his patents, it is likely he knew it would become widely used. Just as was his original limb attachments that were used by Yamaha, and other companies back int he day. Fact is...Earl invented it, and didn't protect his proprietary design.

Here we go

It's a toxicraft handle that I sanded and reshaped the grip and put border hex 6 limbs on all dipped in Natural gear camo. The handle then was coated to make it rubber feeling like a gun stock.

RKelly, I had the Apex and shot it quite a bit - it's as fine a hunting riser made anywhere by anyone. Makes for a very quiet rig and you really can't beat these laminated risers nowadays. If your buying new from Lancaster's then just call the guys there and they will scale a bow and limb configuration for you at the draw length needed.

You will begin to appreciate the infinite tuning possibilities of the ILF system, like changing tiller without changing nock height......I know I do. Don't buy in to any of the rhetoric that says you need expensive limbs to shoot well either. I ran the limb spectrum all the way in to high end carbon foam limbs, only to find $80 entry level'ers did exactly the same thing.

At the end of the day all that "ILF" really means is that your bow has a universal limb connector and there are gangs of companies that now make risers and bows. I highly doubt I'll ever go back to proprietary systems as they are just too limited, but to each his own. Best of luck.

greyrider , I like what you have done with that 14" riser :>)

What kind of coating is it?

It's not 14" it's 17" , don't like to small of a sight window. Don't know what the guy calls it but he uses it on guns when he does them.

I have a question for Roger. What is the relationship to Tiller and nock position on string. I have a Dryad ILF and was told to shoot it with zero Tiller as I shoot three fingers under. Am I missing something? I'm pretty new to the ILF system even though I've been shooting traditional for 59 years. Appreciate your input. Joel

"My comment here is kinda related to the intent of the actual question originally posed: I read somewhere once the intent of the ILF was not so much the ability to adjust the weight but to be able to adjust the limbs so that the stack happens at the end of the shooter's draw length to maximize performance. Is this the main idea of the ILF limbs?"

MatandD, That is the benefit I get from them, adjusting preload to what ai want. The others are a slight weight adjustment, tillering, and limb choices. They just are infinitely adjustable systems and people choose what benefit they want out of it.

Duh I guess I should of known it's a 17" LOL.

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