From: zonic
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Date: 29-Jun-15 |
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Won an old Cougar on the auction site yesterday to replace my current lower poundage Cougar. Looking to order some new POC shafts from 3rivers but am on the fence about spine.
New-to-me bow will be 64" Cougar 706 45xx# (47#). I'll be shooting a B50 14-strand string. I draw to 29" and like a 30" BOP min. length arrow. Would also like to use my current 145 & 160 gn broadheads.
What spine is going to be the best bet here?
I guess the 706 seems to be similar to a hybrid longbow vs. a true recurve.
Thanks guys.
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From: firekeeper
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Date: 29-Jun-15 |
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I was looking at those Cougars the other day - seem to be a nice older bow. I've been shooting something very similar, an old Stemmler "semi-recurve". Mine likes an arrow 5# dynamic spine or so over my draw weight.
For your set up: I'd add 5# to the 47# rating due to the 29" draw. Another 5# for 30"BOP. And another 3# for the 145/160 heads. So, 47 plus 13, around 60# ought to be mighty close. I'd go with the 55/60's.
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From: Fred Arnold
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Date: 29-Jun-15 |
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I'll say 55-60. With the added point weight you would deduct 5# but have to add most of it back with a 29" draw and you are lowering spine on the shaft by leaving them 2" longer.
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From: fdp
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Date: 29-Jun-15 |
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It's called a semi-recurve. One of my favorite bows of all time.
You'll be able to shoot either actually although I would go with the stiffer spine.
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From: zonic
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Date: 29-Jun-15 |
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Thanks guys. I went through several old Bears this past year and hadn't found a grip I like. Handled an old LH Cougar a few months back and fell in love with the feel of its grip and the classic style. Now I have a Cougar problem.
I have some 30" 60-65s but was figuring they might be too stiff - especially once I add the inevitable yarn puffs to the string.
Sounds like 55-60 will be the way to go...
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From: Fred Arnold
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Date: 29-Jun-15 |
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If you have some 190 gr points give them a try with the 60-65. You might be amazed.
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From: zonic
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Date: 29-Jun-15 |
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Fred, you've caught my interest. I will like to try that.
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From: firekeeper
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Date: 29-Jun-15 |
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Yup, it'd be worth trying the 60/65's, even with the 160 heads.
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From: RymanCat
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Date: 29-Jun-15 |
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You should have both to try out then you will know which you like better for your bow. AMO is a start not an end.
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From: Fred Arnold
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Date: 29-Jun-15 |
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Back a few years ago I was experimenting with carbons and front loading them for foc. I was impressed with the penetration results. Went back to wood and bamboo and even went as far as adding woody weights to the tips to try for the same results. I found with wood arrows being naturally heavier that there was a diminishing return.
By adding too much weight trajectory suffered tremendously. I do still use some heavier spined wood with 160-190 but my selfbows not being cut anywhere near center are pretty picky to say the least.
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From: zonic
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Date: 29-Jun-15 |
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My 30.25" 60-65s were just a hair week from my 51# Goshawk w/ FF+. I'm expecting them to be a hair stiff from the the 47# Cougar w/ B50. I hear what you're saying about diminishing returns, Fred. I don't want to be lobbing too heavy an arrow at deer off that B50 string. I might try a 190gr head - but don't really think I should go any heavier of an arrow with this 47# bow. It'll be great if the 60-65s on hand will fly well and save me a couple dollars. But like RymanCat says - will be nice to have some of each spine to really know. All of my other woods are in the 45-50 range.
Thank you for all of the suggestions.
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From: Orion
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Date: 29-Jun-15 |
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With the heavier heads you're contemplating shooting, I think 60-65# will work nicely.
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From: fdp
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Date: 29-Jun-15 |
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if you want to keep FOC in play, all you have to do is full length taper the shaft. Pretty dang easy, and has essentially the same result as front loading a carbon.
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From: zonic
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Date: 29-Jun-15 |
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Thanks Orion. I hope so. I guess it's safe to say the 50-55s are out of the question at my draw/arrow length.
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From: Yewbender
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Date: 30-Jun-15 |
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55/60 or 60/65, the only thing better then shooting woodies is smelling a broken cedar shaft!!!!
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From: aromakr
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Date: 30-Jun-15 |
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55/60 spine shafts AMO will have a dynamic spine of 45/50@30". Some of those older bows are cut to or past center to allow for an elevated rest, if that is the case and your shooting off the shelf you will need to add spine to be able to shoot the line, along with the heavier points, more spine might be added. Bob
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From: RymanCat
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Date: 30-Jun-15 |
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Another thing heavier arrows do other things like also help to quiet a bow slightly.
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From: zonic
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Date: 30-Jun-15 |
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I don't think these early Cougars were meant for an elevated rest, since the strikeplate always seems to be all the way down to the shelf... unlike Shakespeares, etc. I had read in one of Viper's posts that the Cougar (not sure which model Cougar he would have been referring to) is cut "nowhere near center". I'm shooting off the shelf. I have 60-65 firs and cedars that are stiff from my x45 Cougar recurve w/ 160gn heads and were weak from my 51# FF+ Goshawk w/ 145gn heads.
I hope they will work from the new-to-me 45xx# semi recurve Cougar.
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From: George D. Stout
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Date: 30-Jun-15 |
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A stick on elevated rest works fine on the Cougar. I've shot several of them using a Hoyt Super Pro.
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From: WV Mountaineer
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Date: 30-Jun-15 |
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If the bow is center cut, you'll find you'll likely get by with a 60-65 best at that draw and arrow length. God Bless
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From: Bill C
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Date: 01-Jul-15 |
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When I made customer arrows I would be using 60-65 for the bow and shooting characteristics you describe.
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