From: Candyman
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Date: 28-Jun-15 |
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I saw a new super kodiak for sale on the auction site. It is a two tone but not like the ones that I have seen before. It has a brown and black wood combination in the riser instead of the reddish wood and black. Has anyone seen these? I've only seen a picture so how do they look first hand?
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From: George D. Stout
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Date: 28-Jun-15 |
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They were the ones made before the red and black and have been around for awhile. Same bow just different wood color.
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From: Candyman
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Date: 28-Jun-15 |
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Thanks George.
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From: David Mitchell
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Date: 28-Jun-15 |
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No pics to post at the moment, but I have a new SK made for me in March to replace one I had issues with. The riser is made from the gray (black) dymondwood which they evidently have left over still since the factory that made Dymondwood burned down, and the other wood is a medium brown impregnated maple (not laminated). The bow is not nearly as pretty as the ones with the black and red dymondwood risers in my opinion. The new ones are a bit lighter in mass weight as well. I don't know what they will use when the supply of black dymondwood they have is exhausted--go with all impregnated maple I suppose. I think that is the same as what they used to call Futurewood.
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From: David Mitchell
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Date: 28-Jun-15 |
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I love the Bear bows but have had a few issues with quality control on bows I have recently gotten. They seem to have the finish issues worked out, but I have had two in a row that have the string groove on the belly of the limb off center. I returned the first one and they replaced it with the brown/black model. It has the same issue with the string groove being off center.
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From: George D. Stout
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Date: 28-Jun-15 |
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I hope you sent it back as well Dave. They need to get that part fixed.
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From: hvac tech
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Date: 28-Jun-15 |
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candyman i looked at two at field and stream . they are a nice looking bow . they are a tad different than the older gray and tan. same bow but again they are lighter in mass weight .that bow is classic it will never go out .
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From: Candyman
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Date: 29-Jun-15 |
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Thank you all for the replies.
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From: David Mitchell
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Date: 29-Jun-15 |
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George, I showed that latest bow to Big Jim at Cloverdale and asked him about the string groove issue. Here's what Jim said, "Want to see a couple hundred more just like that?" What the heck is that all about? I hope Neil Byce is at Denton. When I contacted him about sending me a bow just like the one I returned, he indicated to me that IF the string settles back into the groove straight and not slipping off the edges when I draw and let the bow down, and IF it tunes and shoots OK then it was probably cut that way on purpose. I have trouble buying that. I never had a recurve with the string groove any place but the center of the limb over the recurve tip. Big Jim told me I had not seen enough older Bears--that they had the issue too. Here is a picture of what I am talking about.
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From: David Mitchell
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Date: 29-Jun-15 |
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Here is a picture of the newest SK I received from Bear in the impregnated brown riser and black dymondwood.
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From: David Mitchell
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Date: 29-Jun-15 |
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Here is a picture another poster put up recently of a Grayling Green SK that had the same string groove issue.
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From: goldentrout_one
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Date: 29-Jun-15 |
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My original 1959 kodiak has the string groove noticeably off-set too - shoots just fine without issues though, I suspect most people wouldn't even notice it, I just look at stuff like that because I hang out here way more than I should. Interesting theory though, that they cut the string groove to line up with the natural fall of the string, not necessarily to go precisely in-line with the limb.
I wouldn't mind a few bowyers chiming in on this - defect, or just a method of manufacture that works?
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From: David Mitchell
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Date: 29-Jun-15 |
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I have never had any other brand of recurve made that way. And I have owned a car load of them over the 50 years I have been messing with bows. In my opinion it affects the resale value of the bow big time. I certainly would not have taken the bow had I been able to see it. I would send it back too but they might just send me another one just like it like they did on this one. Be a while before I buy any more and then only if I can see the bow before buying. That stuff should not be going out the door.
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From: Ghostinthemachine
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Date: 29-Jun-15 |
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I just went and looked at my '73 SK and the grooves are perfectly centered, fwiw.
To be honest I've never paid any attention to the string grooves on any of my bows, but this thread got me curious.
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From: Grizbow
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Date: 29-Jun-15 |
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Hey all I'm new to the leatherwall but this thread got me curious as well. When I get home I'm going to check my grizzly's grooves out, let ya know what I find out.
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From: BigJim
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Date: 29-Jun-15 |
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i have seen many of the older bears with the string groove off center. The Kmag greenies especially but probably because I sell more of these old ones than the other older Bears.
David, you know I said the couple hundred just like that were from years past although I have seen a few in recent years too.
there's not that much different now than from the old days except the internet. When someone encounters a problem, it is heard in minutes and not weeks...often the same problem is multiplied into many.
I have sold over 300 new Bears this year and inspected each and everyone. No, they weren't all perfect, but there have only been a scant few that had to go back.
I see way more custom longbows with crooked limbs...built that way, than I do see problems with the Bears.
BigJim
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From: David Mitchell
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Date: 29-Jun-15 |
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Yes, Jim, I realized that was what you meant as you said I had just not seen enough old bows. It is very interesting that you mentioned custom longbows with crooked limbs.
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From: BigJim
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Date: 29-Jun-15 |
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BigJim is a Stickbow.com Sponsor - Website |
When I say crooked limbs on the longbows, I mean slightly...kind of likely the slightly off center on your superK. There is no way to measure the straightness on the limb. If you can't see it than you wouldn't know...in other words, it is in the eye to be able to see that it is symmetrical. It also doesn't hurt the way a bow shoots but may make it tune abnormally.
BigJim
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From: Jay B
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Date: 30-Jun-15 |
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Both my Bear greenies; a Kodiak Hunter, and a Kodiak Magnum have off center grooves. It's not drastic, but it's noticeable. They both shoot great though.
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From: Jon Stewart
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Date: 30-Jun-15 |
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I have a new/never shot dark grey Super Kodiak with Fascor and a blue stripe. Mine is a much older bow.
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From: 4nolz@work
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Date: 30-Jun-15 |
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Same old crowd same old comments,just don't buy them.
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