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Screw in stoneage broadhead ?

Messages posted to thread:
kenwilliams 25-Jun-15
Shag 25-Jun-15
Ron LaClair 25-Jun-15
Andy Man 25-Jun-15
Al Snow 25-Jun-15
Shorthair 25-Jun-15
Spider 25-Jun-15
raghorn 25-Jun-15
Tinhorn 25-Jun-15
coxral 25-Jun-15
Knifeguy 25-Jun-15
Knifeguy 25-Jun-15
Knifeguy 25-Jun-15
4nolz@work 25-Jun-15
Frisky 25-Jun-15
bowdoc 26-Jun-15
DTala 26-Jun-15
Bob Rowlands 26-Jun-15
Arvin 26-Jun-15
eddie c 26-Jun-15
soldier 26-Jun-15
JusPassin 26-Jun-15
bigdog21 26-Jun-15
Osr144 26-Jun-15
kenwilliams 26-Jun-15
JRW 26-Jun-15
Eric Krewson 27-Jun-15
George D. Stout 27-Jun-15
Sawtooth 27-Jun-15
Frank V 27-Jun-15
George D. Stout 27-Jun-15
Ihunts2much 27-Jun-15
hvac tech 27-Jun-15
hvac tech 27-Jun-15
GF 28-Jun-15
Will tell 28-Jun-15
GF 28-Jun-15
Yunwiya 28-Jun-15
DanaC 28-Jun-15
KyPhil 28-Jun-15
KyPhil 28-Jun-15
Jeff Durnell 28-Jun-15
Jay B 28-Jun-15
Jon Stewart 28-Jun-15
picapica 28-Jun-15
pockets 29-Jun-15
4nolz@work 29-Jun-15
manybows 29-Jun-15
GF 29-Jun-15
Ollie 29-Jun-15
Jon Stewart 29-Jun-15
Linecutter 30-Jun-15
George D. Stout 30-Jun-15
Frank V 30-Jun-15
Philbow 30-Jun-15
Jon Stewart 30-Jun-15
Ollie 30-Jun-15
DanaC 30-Jun-15
Jon Stewart 30-Jun-15
coontail 30-Jun-15
hvac tech 01-Jul-15
4nolz@work 01-Jul-15
r-man 01-Jul-15
GF 02-Jul-15
twistedlimbs 02-Jul-15
4nolz@work 02-Jul-15
twistedlimbs 02-Jul-15
RymanCat 02-Jul-15
From: kenwilliams
Date: 25-Jun-15




Just opened my new 3 Rivers catalog and that was thw first item I saw. Now I can almost say I have seen it all.

From: Shag
Date: 25-Jun-15




That was the first thing that grabbed my attention too when I opened the new catalogue. "What the hell?" Was my first thought.

From: Ron LaClair Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 25-Jun-15




BLASPHEMY!

8>)

From: Andy Man
Date: 25-Jun-15




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From: Al Snow
Date: 25-Jun-15




A real steal at just $26.

From: Shorthair Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 25-Jun-15




what a crock!!!!

From: Spider
Date: 25-Jun-15




First thing I thought, "Is this for real?"

From: raghorn
Date: 25-Jun-15




It's for guys that can't make up their mind.

From: Tinhorn
Date: 25-Jun-15




So, how would it fly out of Friskys' Holy Grail? He says it can shoot anything better than any of our bows....

TinHorn

From: coxral
Date: 25-Jun-15




Question that's been digging at me for decades, 'What do you get a Caveman who has everything?' Now I can sleep at night!

From: Knifeguy
Date: 25-Jun-15




My first thought was, "why bother" Some of the items being sold for trad bows are as bad as what you expect for wheel bows. Took my grandson to the new Bass Pro Shop near us the other day and saw less than a dozen trad bows amid a hundred or so compounds and crossbows and all the bells and whistles that go with them.. Did however find a new glove for him and some Bear Hair for me. Won't go back. JM2CW. Lance. ( don't mean to offend anyone, hope you know that.)

From: Knifeguy
Date: 25-Jun-15




My first thought was, "why bother" Some of the items being sold for trad bows are as bad as what you expect for wheel bows. Took my grandson to the new Bass Pro Shop near us the other day and saw less than a dozen trad bows amid a hundred or so compounds and crossbows and all the bells and whistles that go with them.. Did however find a new glove for him and some Bear Hair for me. Won't go back. JM2CW. Lance. ( don't mean to offend anyone, hope you know that.)

From: Knifeguy
Date: 25-Jun-15




Oops, pressed the submit bar twice.

From: 4nolz@work
Date: 25-Jun-15




Pretty cool.I have one made by Timo.

From: Frisky
Date: 25-Jun-15




I might buy those for use on my dogwood arrows out of the Grail.

Joe

From: bowdoc
Date: 26-Jun-15




and I thought I'd seen it all bd

From: DTala
Date: 26-Jun-15




I've made em for friends that shot alum or carbon and wanted to try a stone point. Works just fine.

whats the problem, somebody report it to the trad police???

From: Bob Rowlands
Date: 26-Jun-15




Like telescopic sights on a flintlock. Sure it works but it's butt ugly in looks and concept.

From: Arvin
Date: 26-Jun-15




I would say if they can nap the threads on that rock it should be fine. I have not seen these yet . Arvin

From: eddie c
Date: 26-Jun-15




must have for GT Traditional shafts. not.

From: soldier
Date: 26-Jun-15




I am going to make a insert for river cane arrows that will accept those so I can get rich and retire off all the primitive guys.

From: JusPassin Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 26-Jun-15




Like shooting an aluminum arrow with a Osage self bow. Will no doubt work but why?

From: bigdog21
Date: 26-Jun-15




going to wait for the open on impact models to come out.

From: Osr144
Date: 26-Jun-15




Trying to have the best of both worlds?Just don't sit right with me. I am thinking I was a bit wrong using trade points and reinforced self knocks from a laminated recurve.Obviously it ain't too wrong compared to screw in knapped points.Hey what would us old farts know any way? OSR

From: kenwilliams
Date: 26-Jun-15




I'm gonna hold out for the 3 blade model :-)

From: JRW
Date: 26-Jun-15




"I'm gonna hold out for the 3 blade model :-)"

I'm waiting for the mechanical version.

From: Eric Krewson
Date: 27-Jun-15




I have heard guys over the years say they wanted to kill a deer with a stone point, some were compound shooters. One rigged a stone point to his 2213 arrow, don't know if he ever killed a deer with it.

Stone points have their place, unfortunately I know of several folk that chipped out an arrowhead shaped object and wounded a deer with it.

The right point (properly made) in the right hands is undeniably deadly. For those who want to kill a deer with stone on a whim I say stick to steel and forget about stone.

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 27-Jun-15




I thought someone found a screw in a stone age broadhead.

From: Sawtooth
Date: 27-Jun-15




That has to be THE most idiotic thing I've ever seen in the 3R catalog.

From: Frank V
Date: 27-Jun-15




Guess I'm going to have to go online to see that.

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 27-Jun-15




Frank V, I think you are online my friend. 8^)

From: Ihunts2much
Date: 27-Jun-15




"There's a sucker born every minute"

Let the free market sort it out. See if it makes the catalog next year...

From: hvac tech
Date: 27-Jun-15




well that does it i guess i will have to open up the catalog and see this master piece . i doubt i will order any

From: hvac tech
Date: 27-Jun-15




well that does it i guess i will have to open up the catalog and see this master piece . i doubt i will order any

From: GF
Date: 28-Jun-15




So a half a dozen single-use, not-really-all-that-matched heads would run you close to $200.... THAT oughtta get the economy moving again!

I have no doubts as to the effectiveness of a well-made stone point, but I SERIOUSLY doubt that ANYONE can knock out a well-made point fast enough to retail them for $26.... Not in the U.S., anyway. The wholesale price on those wouldn't buy 2 hours of labor at minimum wage.

From: Will tell
Date: 28-Jun-15




I think it's beautiful.

From: GF
Date: 28-Jun-15




Yeah, well... I guess it kinda is.... In a "teats on a bull" sort o' way...

ROFL

From: Yunwiya
Date: 28-Jun-15




Hoping for they upgrade to bronze next year.

From: DanaC
Date: 28-Jun-15




Well, it makes as much sense to me as the one that was advertised as looking like the space shuttle. ;-)

From: KyPhil
Date: 28-Jun-15




I shot huge a buck last year with one out of my cross bow. Using that coupled with my laser sights really did the trick and took me back to ancient times.

From: KyPhil
Date: 28-Jun-15




I was just kidding...haha

From: Jeff Durnell Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 28-Jun-15




The last time I got a 3 Rivers catalog, it was stuffed full of things equally as valuable to me as a screw-in stone head. I didn't find a single thing I wanted and threw it in the circular file after flipping through it.

From: Jay B
Date: 28-Jun-15




Wow that's the most ridiculous crap I've ever seen

From: Jon Stewart
Date: 28-Jun-15




There is a guy on flintknappers.com that makes them like that and sells them. I made one for my son who shoots a compound. I hafted it to a wood shaft piece that slide inside his aluminum arrow. Not the screw in type.

Not quite sure what all the fuss is about. If you don't like them I guess don't buy them. My self I hunt with stone and have killed with stone points.

From: picapica
Date: 28-Jun-15




Now if it were a screw in, stone, Pod equipped point.......

From: pockets
Date: 29-Jun-15




I'm going to save the $26 by just herding deer over a cliff with a traditional Jeep.

.

From: 4nolz@work
Date: 29-Jun-15




Well if they don't sell they won't offer them.Ain't America great?

From: manybows
Date: 29-Jun-15




Its all about the all mighty dollar.

From: GF
Date: 29-Jun-15




Jon- how much is the guy on flintknappers charging for his?

From: Ollie Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 29-Jun-15




The whole thing looks dumb in my opinion.

From: Jon Stewart
Date: 29-Jun-15

Jon Stewart's embedded Photo



Almost as dumb looking as these?

From: Linecutter
Date: 30-Jun-15




Thing is 3Rivers ACTUALLY put it in their catalog to sell. Maybe to a broadhead collecter just to add to his collection like the ones shown above. DANNY

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 30-Jun-15




Of course it's about the almighty dollar....we would be in deep squat if it wasn't. No one would be able to pay their employees..you couldn't buy groceries because the store wouldn't be able to buy them. It's time we can that stupid phrase for what it's worth...nothing

It's just a product offered for anyone who wants it. That is how capitalism works....and it works great for the best damn country in the world. Such a waste of bandwidth to argue over a simple item that doesn't harm anyone here and may work great for someone who wants it. Go shoot your bows, for goodness sake and let the item run its course.

From: Frank V
Date: 30-Jun-15




George D. Stout......

Ya got me there he.

I went & looked at them. Urrrrrg Guess if someone wants to use them who am I to say no. I'm one who uses only wooden arrows & to me even the metal riser bows they offer kind of slap me a bit, but heck Bear used them for his takedown bows?????

From: Philbow Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 30-Jun-15




As long as they "really" work and it's not just a gimmick. Would a stone point be more likely to break apart, on say a rib, because of the speed of a wheelie bow?

From: Jon Stewart
Date: 30-Jun-15




And the guy making them ain't getting rich on them. Takes too long to make a good hunting head and mount it and then you have the cost of materials.

Sometimes one good piece of rock to make a point is $5.00 to $10.00

From: Ollie Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 30-Jun-15




A stone point mounted on a screw-in insert makes about as much sense as putting a sinew string on a compound bow! If you want to do it...fine. For what purpose I have no idea. No need to be so defensive Jon. You're just mad that most people don't see this as a great idea.

From: DanaC
Date: 30-Jun-15




I'm waiting for a knapped judo point myself....

From: Jon Stewart
Date: 30-Jun-15




Ollie, first of all I could give a rip what you or others think about the stone point and I am not mad at all. It is obvious by some of the comments about the stone point that hunters that don't or haven't used them don't understand that they work.

The knapped head on a screw in insert has people upset leading to put downs.

As I explained above, I did it for my son who shoots a compound and a heavy aluminum arrow only I mounted it on a piece of wood shaft and glued it inside the shaft and not on a screw in insert, secondly being a flint knapper using stone points has to be a labor of love because it takes a good amount of time to make a good enough point to hunt with plus the time it took to haft it onto the screw in adaptor.

And I am not being defensive or mad. If you are a flint knapper then you understand my explanation and if not well now you know.

thirdly I explained that materials are expensive.

Whoever made the point is not getting rich by no means but he has introduced another way to take a deer with a bow and arrow.

I have a friend that knapped a four bladed stone head.

I guess I would ask you Ollie directly because you targeted my post, what is wrong with using that head?

From: coontail
Date: 30-Jun-15




i used to not like imitation stuff like wood grain, but now look at it differently. i like primitive stuff and new technology. i think they would look pretty on my wood grain legacy arrow with natural turkey feather fletchings. i plan to give one a try.

From: hvac tech
Date: 01-Jul-15




i really do not think it is about the almighty buck . i think that the guy wants to make and sell stone points for guys that like stone points and maybe not know how to make them . i really am not interested but maybe some guys are. heck i see alot of things that i do not want or buy but some people do buy them .that does not pertain to archery .but it is the same mindset .

From: 4nolz@work
Date: 01-Jul-15




It's a novelty mostly,kinda cool

From: r-man
Date: 01-Jul-15




I just snickered and turned the page, Is it for everyone ? no, but still wood look neat to have it as a collector piece . I cant nap for sxxx , wish I could , I wood have tried it just for the fun of it.

From: GF
Date: 02-Jul-15




I think Nolz is onto it... Seems more like a "gag" gift/item than anything else... Something so a wheelie shooter can tell his NeoTrad Snob buddies that he's gone Primitive, then when he shows up with a new compound he can say "Yeah, but I'm going hunting with THIS!" HAW, HAW, HAW....

I've swapped a really pleasant string of emails with Jon Stewart on this topic... So FWIW...if anybody thinks Jon's got his Whities in a Wad, I'd submit that they're imagining things....

Sharp is what kills, and not even the best-made steel is as sharp as a WELL MADE stone edge. Seeing is believing, and scanning electron micrographs don't lie! Doubting the effectiveness of a good, knapped head is as well reasoned as doubting the bows that we use - the limitations of the user should never be mistaken for the capability of the tool.

But I would not trust a $25 stone point....

From: twistedlimbs
Date: 02-Jul-15

twistedlimbs's embedded Photo



I think it's terribly out of context and kinda insulting to a real primitive hunter, but I suppose if it gets their juices going, it's none of my business in the end. As stated earlier.. like puting a sinew string on a compound, or shooting carbons off of a stone age bow... out of context, but for some people, it's right up their alley. My outlook is merely opinion based.

From: 4nolz@work
Date: 02-Jul-15




I dont think primitive hunters get insulted so easily(at least most).I think they do what they do for their own reasons not for what anyone else thinks.

From: twistedlimbs
Date: 02-Jul-15




Well, it's not like I am personally beside myself insulted... more like I think it kinda insults primitive archery in general.. I am not prepared to burn flags over it, it just reminds me of driving a Honda civic to an American muscle car show... crashing the party.lol I am not really effected by it, but not crazy about it either.

From: RymanCat
Date: 02-Jul-15




Sodier a ring on the screw in and use it for a necklace or christmas tree ornaments.LOL

Hey I shot an animal with a stone head.LOL Did you nap it well no.LOL How did you attach it tie it in or glue and tie? Well no.LOL How then tell me your secrete. I screwed it in! Your sideways in the head.LOL

Haven't I been telling you guys about Madison Avenue Propaganda???





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