I'm a canter (minus the nail polish!) LOL! Good one Rick! Gave me a nice laugh for a Monday morning.

Steve

That's spot on...raise yer arm, and the hand will be at that natural angle. "Don't" is not. You can feel it in your elbow...and I think it gets in the way...just me.

I also have the tendancy to heel torque the grip with "don't".

I shoot with my natural...ergonomic (?)...body mechanics, or "cant"...but I "don't". :^)

I also prefer a wrist sling and shoot with an open hand...but now grip with thumb and pointer finger only.

Chartreuse for me.

I have to confess, I cant but I don't like purple. Rick, which one are you?

No! no! no! no!

Roadrunner; Chartreuse should solely be confined to the drawing hand!

For the bowhand the socially acceptable nail polish is Crushed Strawberry; or in the limit Limpet Lemon.

Braco Out

Please excuse my faux pas. I will mend my ways.

Good archers can, and do shoot either way. ;)

There is a fascinating video on another post about the 1957 world championships in Prague. The gear was so simple and unadorned! No canting either. :o) I naturally cant the bow but find when I shoot a more upright style I seem to shoot a bit more accurately.

I am this one. 8^)

Rick

When I point my hands not canted that much, just very slightly and when I shoot my bow it's canted very slightly. That being said, I shoot just as well either way, but I do understand that the worlds top archers mostly shoot straight up,lol.

Btw, no polish. I shoot au natural, ;D.

I would take a picture of me shooting "au natural", but I fear all that hair would disgust people. :D

OK, back under my rock now. :)

Rick

I cant most of the time or else my panties get in a bunch. LOL Steve Good one Rick and not to worry about your hair we like you just the way you are!!!

Hold on let me deice my left wing till I shoot.LOL

So if you cant your bow, doesn't it give you a false tune when you're bareshafting for instance?

ZU!

If you overlay your target with Reseau Marks, such that the orientation of the marks are identical to your angle of cant inclination, then you can happily tune with a cant.

If you are unable to employ the Reseau Marks, then basically you can’t cant.

Alles Klar?

Braco out

I shoot almost all my bows canted, except one, my Damon Howatt Hi-Speed. For some reason it loves to be shot upright. It's also the only bow I don't put a death grip on while shooting it.

I cant-do you want to see my middle finger?

None to very little. According to size of sight window.

Actually, in order to shoot a bow completely vertically,torque must be applied to change from the natural neutral position of the arm, shoulder, and wrist.

Am I the only one to notice Rick's original picture is a left handed archer's bow hand?

To be clear, those who can, cant. Those who can't cant, can't.

R.

Braco...that was clever! I'd never heard of reseau marks and had to google it. Geez...of course! I could simply draw 2 lines bisecting my target at the correct angle and have accurate planing results that way.

Why did I not think of that!

I have canted since 1955, can't stop canting now. BTW I did research to see what color Fred Bear's fingernail polish was and I wear the same color.

lmao@Rick

Zu!

"Braco...that was clever! I'd never heard of reseau marks and had to google it. Geez...of course! I could simply draw 2 lines bisecting my target at the correct angle and have accurate planing results that way. Why did I not think of that!"

Because the fumes from all that nail polish are going to your head? hehehe ;)

[[[ Jakemt said: "Because the fumes from all that nail polish are going to your head? hehehe ;)" ]]]

Quote for the day !!!!!!!

Bravo !!!!!!

8^)

Rick

Indian style what ever the situation calls for bare fingers no glove or tab split fingers.

Day before yesterday while rabbit hunting with some friends I noticed that my nephew was drawing down on a rabbit while standing in waist high brush. He canted the bow in the opposite direction of normal so the bow limbs would clear and made the shot. Got the rabbit. I mentioned the reverse cant and he didn't even realize he had shot that way. I guess he gets the fingernail polish.

Your nephew didn't overthink it....he just did it before someone told him it wasn't possible. 8^). Not surprising.

Olympic archers can't their hand to 45 degrees in the grip but the bow is straight up and down.

It's okay to cant the bow. I cant my self bows a good bit.

But the example is flawed. Your hand can be at 45 degrees (canted hand) yet the bow still straight.

LOL, so much to say, yet so little time to say it in. 8^)

It's a joke, but with a point folks.

So many folks espouse the belief, that how your hand is rotated is an absolute on how your bow is rotated. That just ain't so.

Jimmy B. said it here - "But the example is flawed. Your hand can be at 45 degrees (canted hand) yet the bow still straight."

Anyway, I sure hope it didn't cause any of you to have to double up on your blood pressure medication.

Rick

I can't my bow a little..what ever works for you..

Not Me. I am Olympic vertical all the way. Feet apart, closed stance. Solid. Maximum completion elbow pointing back shoulder muscles closing toward one another.

I feel I must first acknowledge something because I just know someone will throw it back at me.

I know I know that rookie over-curling the fingers rolls the arrow off of the shelf. I know I know I know.

but

sometimes, even with veteran training and that problem eliminated , there will be times that arrow will fall off. I suspect this at least PARTLY is reason some cant.

The Hoyt Super Rest solves all that .

Good luck shootin a Hill style "True L/B" with very little or no shelf w/o "canting" ....

I shoot with the bow rotated in my hand a little as was mentioned... a little. Most wouldn't even notice it. I also cant the bow a little as my 'norm' but practice all angles and body positions and have shot and killed deer with my bow almost completely horizontal while knelt as low to the ground as I could get. As a bow-weilding predator, versatility is key.

Just remember you must match your fingernail colors to your fletching and hold your pinky out to the side.

I really hate to say this....but....gripping with thumb and fore finger....I DO stick my pinkie finger out....

But I prefer to deem it to be simply a sign of my exemplary, refined nature.

Jakemt, “Because the fumes from all that nail polish are going to your head?”.

Thanks for that very amusing and perspicacious observation.

However, with respect; Do keep up!

“Fullers Fulminating De-fumigating Fingernail Polish For Fletching Flyers" has been on the market since 1863!

Even “Silly Ali from the Valley” could have given you that beauty tip.

Lars Andersen has been adamantly endorsing this excellent product since way back last Friday.

On a more serious note researchers at MIT have reported findings that demonstrate a correlation between finger polish shooters and a weak spine. Results also show the Au Nautral approach consistently return a greater accuracy one would expect from a decent chap. Pinky position appears to have no detrimental effects. So Pinky Position is down to Personal Preference.

Braco Out

I prefer to believe my extended pinkie finger enclosed within the confines of a Predator fall grey glove merely demonstrate my exquisitely refined good taste and gentlmanly behavior....

Just sayin'....

Don’t know, Rick… I read somewhere that an extended pinkie was actually some kind of insult…

Personally, I guess I’m so insulting to deer that they don’t even stop by anymore…. They don’t call, they don’t write…

Canting makes me feel sexy. Sounds sorta counter intuitive, but that's how it is for me.

Was referring to a few Hill styles Ive had with the shelf cut not so flat, actually sloped down away from hand, couldn't even hold bow straight up & down w/o arrow sliding off, I could've taken a round file and fixed them, but didn't bother, canting is all I've ever done for about 23 years, natural feel & aiming method for me ...

Braco. Anyone who can spell perspicacious, let alone use it correctly in context, has my vote. I will believe anything you say. I do cant but can't do it very well.

Can't shoot without the CANT!!!!!!

seems to work 4 me

maintains natural arm/ wrist point of aim (instinctive shooter, able to use both eyes)

Upon closer inspection. 8^)

Rick

You guys in Texas have a lot of time and nail polish on hand>>>--> Cant get over it cant get under it cant go around it

you guys got it easy. I cant my bow, shoot 3 under and shoot less than 50# at my draw length. According to some I need to paint my entire set up pink including my nails and underwear. Have a great day. BKW

You the man Rick I think or is it Ricki?

Now this is getting scary. This started with a legitimate question over on the TBH site ( I am El Paisano over there). After bleeding over here is has taken on a life of its own. Just goes to show you what can happen when olde phartes are allowed access to a computer without adult supervision. Me? I had nothing to do with it. Just an innocent observer for sure...

"Actually, in order to shoot a bow completely vertically,torque must be applied to change from the natural neutral position of the arm, shoulder, and wrist."

FA

Actually the torque free (bow hand torque, not arm load you are referring to), is with the knuckles pretty close to 45 degrees, the arm is neutral, and the bow grip lies on a line roughly on the crease to the finger side of the base of the thumb. In this position the bow can be straight up and down, or you can cant it if you wish. It is neutral.

So no, to hold a bow vertical with any grip low to high, does not torque the arm. I shoot with slight cant, but probably wouldn't if I was set up for tournament archery.

Risk Barbee

“Upon closer inspection”

Rick, great NCIS work here.

You have illustrated a highly polished performance from Bldtrailer.

HCorrigal “Seems like he could cut his arrows in half and have twice as many as he only seems to use half??”.

Hector, we must view this from a different perspective, the longer the arrow the shorter the distance to the target; ergo improved accuracy, as is clearly demonstrated in “seems to work 4 me”. So the validity of the cant can’t be ignored or can’t be dismissed.

Thanks for your kind words Stykman, but my veracity is not always 100%. But I’m sure you recognise that ?:)

Braco out

I can't see why you wouldn't cant your bow in the first place. What has me f&%ked I didn't know about the nail polish. Does the color have to match my Christian Dior quiver or Gucci shooting glove.? OSR

Are you British Braco? I seem to RECOGNIZE the accent.

I've read all the posts and still do not understand the point. Especially the nail polish and the "get it" emoji. Sorry...but no, I don't 'get it'.

Almost forgot to add; I cant.

Yes Stykman, my COLOURFUL accent is a dead giveaway.

You have very acute hearing indeed.

I’m guessing you must be a musician by trade?

Braco out

I shoot the way George Stout does! Seriously, I started wearing glasses, and was having all kinds of trouble shooting. He said he wears glasses and shoots spot on. I asked him for a pic. Very slight cant, if any, allows face to be more facing target, and allows me to full draw. Now my groups are tight and I can remove the fance colored nail polish...... and thong panties.

Unless I'm shooting from behind my back I always cant my bow:)

Lmao Rick. You just ain't right!!!

[[[ bldtrailer said: "You guys in Texas have a lot of time and nail polish on hand>>>--> Cant get over it cant get under it cant go around it." ]]]

We have to keep it on hand for our beautiful women. 8^)

What we can't get over, under, or around, we go through. 8^)

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[[[ dm/wolfskin said: "You the man Rick I think or is it Ricki?" ]]]

That would be "Ricky" Bro. All my old girlfriends, and all of my family call me Ricky. Term of love/endearment. I accept it. 8^)

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[[[ GLF said: "Lmao Rick. You just ain't right!!!" ]]]

I try Bro. I really do, but sometimes the voices in my head are overwhelming. 8^)

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Back under my rock now. 8^)

Rick

This is how much I cant

Now that's a man's bow.

They cant bows???

This photo is of me drawing the bow NOT at full draw (I use it to show proper hand and bow arm alinement) no where near full draw>>>---> arrow length 29 draw length 27

TTT

I would like to know how all these guys know the fancy names of all the nail polishes. I had better pay closer attention to the hands of these guys, especially when we are in the woods.......wing

With the bows that I build I find it better if you dont cant the bow well for me anyway. I shot compounds for years and Im guessing that its because of that type of shooting that I tend not to CANT. When I do cant the bow my shots are way off. Maybe because Im not use to shooting that way.

Ever try to shoot a longbow from a ground blind without canting? Or when sitting on the ground? Regardless of your preference, you may have to cant sometimes, so you had better practice that way at least part of the time.

I shoot both ways but prefer no cant when I can. When I can't, I cant.

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