I am trying to figure out who the maker of the two similar bows to the left was. They are of the same materials and design and differ in draw weight only. I believe they were made in the first half of the 60's by HHA based in Sunnyvale CA. They have the HH recurve decade on the limb belly. Black Eicholz that is black and curved, linear white glass belly.. Both have 5 digit serial numbers with c-6000 on the riser. I am pretty sure they are pre- Schulz. Any help would be appreciated.

Art send some better close up photos to Bob Burton he might be able to tell you for sure, I was thinking maybe one of the Stotler brothers.

What Ron said.

The green glassed bow is a Stotler correct? The two on the left are very similar in riser design.

I'm not sure of the maker for the 3rd rom the left. I sold it last year. The bow to the far right was made by Howard Hill, "Green Dragon" early 50's.

Art: Serial #'s started to appear in 1962 and would have been made by either Bob Stotler or Jim Darling. that is when Shawnee Archery in Sunland, California marketed bows for Howard. The strung recurve bow logo was the logo that Shawnee used. The bow on the far right I doubt Howard made it. Howards was at the height of popularity during the 1950-60's. It was way more profitable for him to do personal appearances and film's than making bows, that's why he hired bowyers to work for him. Unless it was one of his personal bows or made for a close friend, he made very few glass laminated bows himself. Is there a name on the bow other than "Howard Hill"? Bob

Art: I would like to see the tips on the two bows on the left and know what the glass color is. its possible those could also be made by Don Burdette he built some bow during that time frame also, Bob

Bob,

I had Green Dragon in my house for over a year...I knew the guy who owned it before it was sold to Ted fry. The guy who owned it(now deceased) told me he bought it from Ed Hill's widow (Howard's friend but no relation) It is a dead ringer for your other Stotler made bows.

pm sent to you Bob.....

On the Green Dragon. I have a letter from Craig Ekin who had checked out the bow. It states that he believes the bow to be made by Howard Hill because of several very distinctive characteristics that matched Hill made bows in his collection. This does include Eicholz/linear combo glassed bows. These characteristics included tips, handle shape and construction, and the signature which even though many makers signed his name, Howards signature had certain identifying characteristics. I would expect Craig to be one of the best authorities on authenticity, and knowledge of Hill made bows.

I'll try to post some pictures of the tips on the other two bows.

Art: I'm certainly not going to argue with you. Craig is a friend of mine, I live only 1 1/2 miles from him an I'm in the shop all the time. Craig has two bows one made for his father the other for his mother,. He told me Howard made them, you need to put time and dates together, how old was Craig in 1950 (still in diapers)

I have a letter from Bob Stotler written to Hugh Rich, when Hugh was trying to identify the maker of bows in his collection. Bob's own words; he said he made those two bows. So take it from there. Bob

Thanks for the info Bob. I apologize if my comments sounded argumentative. I guess the only certainty about the bow is that Howard gave it to Ed Hill. The rest will remain a mystery. I will say whoever made the bow, it sure is a nice shooter and a great looker! Art

Art: Howard gave a lot of bows to different people, if nothing else Howard was a good business man, I have a bow in my collection that he hunted with, he gave it to a man in Arizona that he hunted the Kaibab with. One of the reasons I did so much research on him and wrote my book on collecting "Howard Hill memorabilia" was; I was seeing so many production bows selling for huge money, because it was said to have been made by him. That being said, Howard signed bows that he did not make, when he was in the L.A. basin he would stop into the plant every week or so and would sign the bows before being shipped. That eventually became a burden so he taught Wayne Stotler to sign his signature, and they are hard to tell apart. Bob

Great information guys....I'm listening and paying attention. 8^)

These are believed to be Kramer bows ?

Rooty: I could tell you if I could see the serial # and/or pic's of the writing on the limbs and the limb tips. Bob

Here's the 55#er

Second bow

Yes they appear to be Kramers to me I have two Kramer ;longbows myself B stands for Big 5 and K for Kramer. Nice bows.

Manybows nailed it.

And from an earlier post the 68 indicates that it is a 68 inch bow

DDave

Thanks guys

Thanks guys

bob, i know tim meigs built hill bows in california back in the early days. do you know which shop he worked in?

I was told that Tim Meigs made just under 1000 bows for HHA, and this occurred and this occurred at various intervals in several different decades.

Larry: Tim made bows for Howard Hill Archery from 1977 to 1985 working out of his Rice St. Carson City, Nv. shop and the Kit Kat Dr. shop at Mound house, Nv.

Ekins didn't farm out bow production until after Howard passed away, and John Schulz went out on his own. Meigs and Kramer never worked in the Hill shop, they made bows out of their own businesses and shipped them to Montana

Art: Yes, both of those bows are made by the Kramers, infact I think Ted made the second one and Lee made the first one (55#) Notice the differences in the top limb tip shapes. Ted notoriously made those long slender tips. Bob

Interesting thank you

I am not a lefty but I like it

55#s of butter

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