From: TradbowBob
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Date: 16-Jan-15 |
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I had rotator cuff surgery yesterday, my second in 20 years. I may have to question my future as a bowhunter.....Wait, forget that!!!
If I get 20 years out of this one I'll be too old to bowhunt anyway.
Just hoping to heal in time to go turkey hunting in the spring.
TBB
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From: rick allison
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Date: 16-Jan-15 |
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Good luck Bob...got left knee replaced a week ago, thinking along your line also...lol.
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From: Drewster
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Date: 16-Jan-15 |
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Yeah, hope the surgery was a big success and you'll be shooting again in a few months. I had knee repair surgery two weeks ago, so am hopping around with a peg leg for now.....but I did hop out and fling a flew arrows this afternoon. Take care and work hard at the rehab.
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From: Scotsman
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Date: 16-Jan-15 |
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I had the 'Ol rotator done 10 years ago. Glad I did, I'm stronger than ever. Just do what the therapist tells you to do!
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From: 1Longbow
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Date: 16-Jan-15 |
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I'm looking at the same operation, how long after surgery did it take you to get back to bow shooting shape?
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From: Mojostick
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Date: 16-Jan-15 |
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Once you get rehabbed up, drop way down in weight and enjoy archery just as you always have.
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From: Catskills
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Date: 16-Jan-15 |
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Good luck and rehab consistently as I'm sure you know. Am facing some procedures myself...time marches on, but does it have to march right over us : ]
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From: joe vt
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Date: 16-Jan-15 |
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You had surgery yesterday???? Any you're typing on a PC today????
Two days after my surgery (in 2011) I was in so much pain I got angry and threw the cryotherapy device across the living room. Good memories for sure.
Sure glad I had the surgery because it removed 10+ years of pain. My shoulder is 100%
I was drawing lower weight bows against the docs orders 75 days after....stupid on my part but I managed to heal up fine. 6 months after surgery I was doing pretty much anything I wanted but taking it easy.
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From: TradbowBob
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Date: 16-Jan-15 |
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After my first surgery I was bowhunting 6 months later. I'm hoping that I have similar results this time.
TBB
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From: BC173
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Date: 16-Jan-15 |
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What type of rehab did you have to do? Exercise's etc?
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From: Buzz
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Date: 16-Jan-15 |
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Get well soon.
Do the physio.
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From: bloodtrailin
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Date: 16-Jan-15 |
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Good luck, rehab is every thing, 6 full mos for me to get back to presurgical draw weight
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From: Scotsman
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Date: 17-Jan-15 |
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I was drawing a 35# bow 2 months after surgery as part of my therapy. 6 months later I was back to 50# which is my best presurgery weight. Now I can draw more but limit myself to 48-52 pounds to ensure I don't screw something up.
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From: Tajue17
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Date: 17-Jan-15 |
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sorry for hijacking but how did you know if you need rotor cuff surgery?? the round bone on the top of my shoulder is in agony when I try to draw my bow now.... I didn't suddenly hurt it or pull something it just slowly showed up disguised as an overworked bow shoulder and got worse!!!
I'm 210 and can do push ups with no pain but if I pull on something 50lbs the pain is there..
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From: Eric Krewson
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Date: 11-Feb-15 |
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You have to have an MRI to see if you need surgery.
I am in week 4 after having a rotator cuff repair, bone spur removed, bone to bone on my collar bone joint trimmed and lots of arthritis removed. Things are really looking up now a although the first couple of weeks were a bi$&h.
I had a passive motion machine that I put in 4 hours a day on as well as two hours of normal rehab. It took me 9 hours to complete my daily rehab with a half hour break between hour sessions. I maxed out the passive motion machine ahead of schedule so they picked it up. I am down to 2 hours a day rehab now and have my life back.
I am rid of my sling, gaining increased motion ever day, and even starting to sleep fairly well as the pain level has dropped significantly.
I have two more months of rehab but expect to be shooting a bow well by mid summer.
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From: Eric Krewson
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Date: 11-Feb-15 |
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One more thing Ted; I could do push-ups and anything with weights below shoulder level. Shooting a bow got painful as did reaching up. I decided to get things checked when I got shoulder freeze and lost about 50% of the mobility in my right arm.
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From: GreyDrakkon
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Date: 11-Feb-15 |
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Tajue, nibody likes to hear this but get to a doctor, sooner rather than later. I had a rotator cuff injury and was lucky enough that it happened during my job (well, not so lucky since my job caused it) and I got it looked at soon enough that I just needed anti-inflammatories, rest for that arm (no sling) and physical therapy. In the meantime, you can use ibuprofrin and ice your shoulder to minimise damage.
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From: Shotkizer
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Date: 11-Feb-15 |
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I have old rotator tears in both shoulders and a cartilage tear in one. They have healed back ok and I have stayed from surgery. I didn't want to go through the aggravation of rehab and loss time. I shoot a 56# recurve and it suits me just fine. Would you all suggest I reconsider surgery?
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From: jjs
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Date: 11-Feb-15 |
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All I can say is "suck it up", been down that road 3x and ain't getting any easier, just keep shooting until you can't and then play pool; good healing and good hunting-JJ
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From: coxral
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Date: 11-Feb-15 |
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Had shoulder surgery ( rotator, labrum, bicep, etc) end of Nov. 2 weeks ago approved to string up 20# bow. Yesterday approved for 50#, if possible. Strung up 45#'r but could only pull 1/2 way. Still have 2 more months of PT. Never thought I'd shoot that 20 so much again! I'm guessing 2 more weeks and I'll be shoot'n the 50! My goal is to be in better shape than before surgery!
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From: raghorn
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Date: 11-Feb-15 |
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I had the right shoulder done on Nov 20, I was shooting a 15# bow last week....awkward but I did it. I plan on shooting #30 by end of Feb.
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From: Toby
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Date: 11-Feb-15 |
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Take your time and heal, good luck.
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From: Flint45
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Date: 11-Feb-15 |
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All different levels of repair dictated by the level of damage. I've had both sides done but the left one was a full open repair with four tears and bone spurs. Healed to 70% after a year' right side healed to 80%. So I shoot 45 to 50 lb. I think shooting traditional is actually easier on the shoulder joint than a compound and release.
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From: Shotkizer
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Date: 11-Feb-15 |
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I have rc tears in both shoulders and a cartilage tears. It doesn't hold me back and I gone down in weight to shooting a 56# bow but can easily pull 60. Question, if I have surgery, is it possible I may end up being weaker in bow weight?.
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From: bigbulls6
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Date: 11-Feb-15 |
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I just had it done as well as having my biceps tendon reattached to my humorous with a "tack" and bone spurs removed hoping it heals well!!
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From: GreyDrakkon
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Date: 11-Feb-15 |
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Shotkizer, it really depends. You could end up having more strength after recover, the same, or less depending on what kind of damage is in there and how your body handles the surgery.
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From: Tom Baldwin
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Date: 11-Feb-15 |
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Oh, no, I may end up like poor old Raghorn. How pathetic! LOL!
Seriously, Ron and all the rest of you, this thread is so timely for me. I learned yesterday that the pain and weakness in my left shoulder for the last 7 or 8 years is multiple tears in the cuff and a ball that rides above and out of the socket, so grinds against the bone when I raise that arm above the shoulder. My doctor told me years ago that it was bursitis, and I believed that. Being my bow arm side, it didn't stop me from shooting the bow, but I couldn't lift more than a pound or two above shoulder level, compensating with my right arm. I did a lot of heavy work, but if a two-handed high lift was necessary, I had to get help.
Well, I fell on the ice in early January and landed smack on my right shoulder. Luckily only soft tissue damage, but damned painful and I couldn't do anything above belly level with it for weeks. So, I began compensating for it with the left arm, and by the time the right shoulder was getting much better, the left one hurt more than it EVER had! So, I went to the Dr again and this time got the xray on that side. Turns out I've been dealing with something that should have been addressed long ago! Kicking myself now, of course! MRI scheduled soon, but the surgeon that saw the xrays used the word "gone" a couple of times referring to all the cuff muscles. I won't know more until the MRI, but I share all the feelings you guys have faced.
I have a hog hunt starting on the 23rd, bears in late May, antelope, elk and deer in the fall. My right shoulder will now let me draw 50# w/o serious pain. Maybe it's naïve, but I sure hope to get any surgery that can be done scheduled so I can hunt next year!
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From: Shotkizer
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Date: 11-Feb-15 |
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Thanks Grey. Makes me want to wait till it gets painful. I avoid lifting weights because that's how I tore them. But routine shooting has kept me bow strong.
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From: RymanCat
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Date: 11-Feb-15 |
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I hope you heal up quickly from Therapy and you get to the Turkey season. I have been worried and yes worried and real angry about my recent injury at Thanksgiving because going into theropy I could bend my arm and it hurt like the dickens. The rotator was grinding like fragments were loose you could hear it all and I was thinking the worse. I am able to pull bow back now but not pushing anything other than therapy and stretching that helped a great deal and restoring range of motion. I guess I'm about 80 % now back maybe a little less.
I will see surgen in couple weeks see what he says about everything else.
Dreading any surgery it will wipe out seasons turkeys and bears for me.
Not back to work yet either from Thanksgiving still have concusion and heads still slaming got a lot worse again this week.
I have real light bows to rehab but have other surgerys to do don't want any shoulder.
Hope you heal up fast and Lord has his hand on your shoulder as well.
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From: Panzer
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Date: 16-Feb-15 |
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Once you heal up you need to start lifting weights and build up those muscles around the injury. If you do that you probably will never have a problem again.
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From: Tradbowmike
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Date: 16-Feb-15 |
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Had right shoulder repaired for a complete tear in 2/2013. Doctor said I could shoot again in 12 weeks if I did the training he prescribed. I did, and was shooting again in the 13th week. I recommend strongly that anyone considering this surgery find a physician that treats baseball pitchers and other athletes. These doctors understand that you cannot remain in a sling for weeks. I only used a sling for a few days. Otherwise, scar tissue forms and that takes weeks to break up. The more conservative approach seems to do more harm than good. Good luck.
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From: Eric Krewson
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Date: 16-Feb-15 |
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I just finished week 4 of rehab, I have a pretty good range of movement now but the pain is still pretty sharp when I move my arm above my shoulder. Finding a comfortable position to sleep in is almost impossible.
The rehab keeps me sore, I am putting in 2 hours a day at this point and do push the limits a bit.
I have two more weeks of regaining flexibility, then start of the strengthening phase.
Sure will be nice when I transition to the " pain free" phase like all my friends who have had a similar surgery did.
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From: Flint45
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Date: 16-Feb-15 |
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Takes time dont over do it. Reasonable stretching always felt good after the initial pain. The pulley and rope where the stronger arm helps the weaker one works pretty well.
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From: mc
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Date: 28-Feb-15 |
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I injured mine last Spring after I started pulling my bow after a long lay-off. Happened with my 40# bow b/c of lousy form, but kept going and was able to shoot 65# recurve elk hunting. For awhile I compensated by elevating bow and draw arm horsebow style to recruit new muscle groups. No problems drawing, just ached like a son of a gun by evening. Stopped shooting to "let it heal"-- got much worse because supporting muscles atrophied. Opted to try PT, (never had an MRI) and was amazed at how much better it got within two weeks. I am now working out to build up strength, starting to shoot the bow again and hopeful to avoid surgery. I am dropping down 12# on my bow this year, too.
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From: Candyman
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Date: 28-Feb-15 |
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I had both shoulders done a few years apart. There are different kinds of tears. Some people say that if you just do the therapy it will go away and that may be true in the case of a very minor injury. If you are like me, I had a tear on one side and completely detached on the other side of my shoulder, I had to go through therapy first because of my health insurance at work. It will not get any better without the surgery. I still had good strength as long as I didn't need to lift anything over my head. I could easily pick up 100 lbs. and put it on a table but I would struggle to put a two lb. object on a shelf above my head. As far as how long to get back to your normal bow weight, I think that every case is different. I will strongly advise you to listen to your therapist though. Go very slow. You don't want to reinjure it before it has a chance to heal properly. FOR ME I continued to do the exercises every morning before work for a year and I would do the stretching exercises at work throughout the day. The stretching seemed to have more benefit then the weights. I went to a shoot after about 5 months and shot a 35# bow that I probably wasn't getting all the way back. After a year I was back to were I wanted to be weight wise. Best of luck.
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From: TradbowBob
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Date: 28-Feb-15 |
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Thanks guys, I've started PT and they tell me that if I don't do anything stupid over the next several months ( a major factor in my case!!!) I should have no problem making my bear hunt in New Brunswick in September.
Appreciate all your good wishes.
TBB
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From: SB
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Date: 28-Feb-15 |
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Feel fortunate to either have a lot of money...or good insurance. A lot of us have neither... and just suffer along day to day .
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From: stavechoker
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Date: 01-Mar-15 |
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Ihave shoulder issues but my problem is torn cartiledge.A friend of mine had both shoulders done and rushed his recovery and tore them again now he is stuck with bad shoulders.mho.
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From: JWhite
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Date: 01-Apr-15 |
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TradBowBob,
I hope your surgery went well and you are now beginning to regain some usefulness to your injured 'wing'.
I am now 62, and had rotator cuff reconstruction surgery on Jan 5, 2015 to my left (non-dominant) shoulder and am now just passing my 12 week mark. According to the protocols my Ortho follows, I am just now cleared to begin to re-strengthen my left shoulder (I shoot right handed).
I normally shoot a 45#@28 bow, but draw about 30" and I'm still weeks (months?) from being able to use that weight. I did shave down another bow I had, to about 25#@28" and I can, with some discomfort, get that back to a near full-draw.
I plan to start the outdoor 3d season, a month or so from now, with that lightweight bow, realize I won't shoot well, but hope to just have fun, enjoy, and not lose too many arrows.
Have we met at the Poke n' Hope?
Jim
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From: 1/2miledrag
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Date: 01-Apr-15 |
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Good luck in your recovery and PT. You'll be back at it good as new!!
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From: Panzer
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Date: 01-Apr-15 |
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I had a partial tear that took a year to heal. Weight lifting has helped tremendously and drawing heavy bows is easy.
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From: Stealth2
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Date: 01-Apr-15 |
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Couldn't shoot a 25# bow RH due to torn rotator cuff. Bowhunted Left handed...had surgery. Out of work 4 months, LISTENED TO MY DOCTOR, did 3 months of PT and by fall was shooting my 58# RH bows. Should have done the surgery years ago.
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From: TradbowBob
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Date: 01-Apr-15 |
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Thanks for your support guys.
The healing is going well. My PT says that I can start shooting a light bow next week, slowly building up after that. I doubt that I can get in shape for turkey season, even though I may be able to pull a bow by then, I'll be pretty rusty on the shooting so I may have to resort to my shotgun.
But the Doc and the PT both agree, by deer season I should be good to go.
Thanks again,
TBB
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From: sheepdogreno
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Date: 02-Apr-15 |
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I've had surgery on my right shoulder twice within a 3 year gap. Both were serious tears from injury that required a more invasive surgery than orthescopic. I would not have been able to function if I didn't have surgery. I lost some mobility but not enough to really cause an issue. It was several months of rigorous therapy before I was back to normal. Stick the the plan and you'll do great! And those of you that think you have a shoulder problem get it looked at because when it goes it goes. Life is hell with a bum shoulder!
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From: JWhite
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Date: 02-Apr-15 |
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TBB,
That 12 week mark, post operative, is magic to the Ortho Surgeon and PT. That is when most activity restrictions ease. Good luck next week.
I shot 5 arrows, last night, from my 26# bow. I was all over the place but did manage to bullseye arrow #5, so I quit. I experienced mild discomfort while shooting and am a little sore today.
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From: Eric Krewson
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Date: 02-Apr-15 |
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I reach the third month mark after my surgery in three weeks. I made one big mistake after the first month by trying to be a he-man, using heaver weights than the rehab folk allowed and ended up setting myself back on recovery.
I started behaving and have moved forward well since. I also got permission to pull a bow a few weeks ago. It took a couple of weeks to get a 25# bow back to anchor, not comfortably but back to anchor.
All in all, this recovery has been the most challenging physical ordeal I have faced so far, that includes falling out of a tree and breaking my back and wrist about 20 years ago.
I am looking forward to being pain free some day down the road, I am not there yet.
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From: nomo
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Date: 02-Apr-15 |
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Good luck with the rehab TBB. Don't try to push it too hard on the PT and do it all exactly as instructed and it will work out well for you. Most of those rehab/PTs know how to get you back to as close as possible to 100% and in some cases 100%+. Best to you in your recovery.
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From: GreyDrakkon
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Date: 02-Apr-15 |
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Jwhite, next time you shoot or use that arm, ice it immediately after even if you feel fine. Swelling is one of the biggest causes of pain after working that area, and icing it can keep it from getting to the point where it actively hurts.
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From: JWhite
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Date: 03-Apr-15 |
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Eric,
Best of luck in your recovery. If the doc inserted any anchors to repair tears, the recovery is very long. The doc keeps asking me if I'm glad I had the surgery and my response is always, 'I will be when my reconstructed shoulder is better than it was prior to surgery'. It isn't even close yet.
Grey,
I seem to live with an ice pack on my shoulder.
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From: 1Longbow
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Date: 06-Apr-15 |
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I just turned 61 and go in on Thursday for surgery on my shoulder. I hope things go as well for me as most of you guys that have had it done. I have'nt been able to shoot my bows for a few months now and its driving me nuts!
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