Does anyone know the status of the Schulz bows that were suppose to go to ebay in December.

I think he was gonna make 10? They should go high.

Sorry, I got nothin else.

His web site said the middle of Dec. they would go on ebay. He is doing 12 of them I spoke with John in town 10 days ago he told me he had 9 completed. Bob

The first one is up for Bid on ebay! Check out the starting bid on this! http://www.ebay.com/itm/171630677779?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

Item Number: 171630677779 Way too rich for my blood!

I hope they sell, but I'm not impressed with the listing. If he wants to put such a big price on the bow, he should at least show pics of the entire bow and provide a complete description. To me, the right collector would pay $2,000 for it. I think it's a nice $1,500 bow. However, I'm not a Hill bow guy, and guys who are might think $3,500 is a great deal for bow #2.

Joe

That's crazy

I would've guessed they would've gone in the 1500-2000 range too. Shows how much I know about collector bow values. We'll leave those decisions for those who are in the know. He has earned the right to sell his bows for as much as he sees fit, at least in my book.

I'm lucky to have, and shoot regularly, a Schulz "Granpa" from the 90's. Though it's future value sometimes makes me think I should't hunt with, I believe these bows were made to hunt and that's what I'm going to do with it...

X2

3500$ for a pond and a half of wood!

Rooty X3

The price is way too much! Since my fancy is equal elapsed.

I agree he can sell for what he sees fit. Let the market decide. I'd have liked to have seen more pics. Maybe it has gold inlay?

Joe

And a picture of him holding it would be nice. Brand new ebay id with no sales.

I agree on the lack of pics. Though, there are more pics on the website and I suppose anyone who considers buying one of these will certainly have been on the website and know his bows well.

Right. A possible buyer would check it out at his site. Hope they sell!

Joe

You guys know nothing about archery!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm sure that's 3500 for all 12 bows.

Bowmania

Anyone priced the new Blacktail legacy bows? one piece for $4500.00...no one is putting down Mr. Johnson for that and calling him crazy.

I think that this Legacy of Schulz as the last work of his hands and heart is deserving of whatever price it can bring. I don't think it will be too high a price in comparison to what the man has brought to archery over the years. I wish I could afford a slew of these bows to thank him for his inspiration in archery to me.

Well said Nate. The Man is deserving of way more than the price of those bows.RC

Point taken. How ever Craig sells a good bow everyday for 600.00. Carrying on a great legend. Also bear archery selling there top bows for 850.00. Vintage Schulz have sold for 750 on this site. Black tails are a work of intricate inlays. These are for a select few. To me it's crazy.

I had a Schulz years ago, way to finicky, could not shoot it and I really really wanted to. Sold it to another Hill style shooter friend of mine, same thing... he could not shoot it and finally sold it.

Never looked into getting another.

Rooty.....

Remember the last Fred Bear Signature Kodiak for sale on Ebay...went for something around 7500.00 or so? A signed Howard Hill from the 1930's went for around 8500.00. Collector items from the legends of the sport usually get more money than the offerings of the normal everyday priced stuff. Yes, it's probably overpriced...

...but maybe not so much when you are paying back a legend....and with these bows, you can pay the man back before he's gone.

All good points. I have no doubt they'll go high. It would have been nice to start them out at a price where the working man could bid a thousand or two on them. It's 4100 canadian dollars to start. Takes a lot of people out of it. By all means honour the man while he's hear. Let us all do that.

If I had the money, I'd try like heck to win one. it's really cool that he came out of retirement to make these. I wish him the best and appreciate everyhing he has done.

Have one of his personal bows from around 1988

would'nt think of selling it (even at that price) shoots too good for me

Don't know what memories he had on it , but I have a long history of memories with it for me

Here's the link to his web page:

http://www.johnschulzstraightshooting.com/the-parting-shot/

Way out of my price range,but thats Ok.

Guess if i wanna shoot a bow like that,ill just hafta study up and get good enough to make one,for myself.

I have the highest admiration for John as he, along with the other icons of archery have provided us with decades of interest, tradition, and motivation to the sport of archery. Having been a collector of Hill/Hill style bows for years, I will be very interested in seeing how this process plays out. I think the whole concept is a first, and targeted at a very specific buyer. No question, the bow bow is a gem but with an ample market of Hill/American Longbow examples in the $500 price range, a $3500(reserve not met) starting price, the price is very high, and completely bypasses the majority of the dedicated enthusiasts. I personally look to different collecting criteria, but that's just me. Now if that bow was one of his personal bows that he had hunted with Howard Hill, different story. In any case, I truly hope John gets what he is after.

That is a special Bow Andy Man! Super cool!

Only 12 of these special bows...the only man alive making bows that was taught directly over many years by the legendary Howard Hill. I don't think he cares that most can't afford them...after all this is his parting shot....the last hoorah.

I for one am glad he made them....thank you Mr. Schulz!

I agree with you, Little Delta. With all do respect, I think that they are priced too high. Jim :)

Yes they are expensive and most can't and won't afford it.

I look at it like this- I love old Fords, I have a 64 Fairlane- if I took it to a mechanic to work some hot rod magic, I might pay $80-$100 per hour labor, right? But if Carrol Shelby worked on it before he had passed, now, he could have charged untold amounts more. Both could do basically the same work, but only one has prestige and heritage behind it

Think of it this way, a year ago nobody even thought they would have a chance to own a NEW Schulz bow.

At the current list price, they are out of reach for most people, including me. The free market will play out and whoever wants to pay for the chance at having a new Schulz bow has a shot. I sure would have liked to have been in the running, but at this level I'm just a spectator.

The great thing is there are many bowyers out there building fantastic bows these days at reasonable prices for anyone who has the bug to buy a new bow.

I wouldn't knock a master bowyer's last production run. John's contribution to archery is significant and lasting. His bows are works of art and performance mixed into one fantastic package.

Now if I could talk 34 other guys into chipping in $100 I'd have a 1/35 chance, which is better chance than me scraping up $3,500 or more for a bow. Not gonna happen...good thing I have a bunch of sweet shooters already.

They shoot too good to just stick on a wall. All most of these collector people do is just hope that they can sell it later for more... screw that, I want to be able to use the thing not look at it...

This is my favorite Shulz made bow. It is an interesting Shulz made, Howard Hill bow in my collection and one of my best lookers/shooters. It is a late 60's vintage Tembo, myrtle handle, brown and white glass, the most unique aspect is that it has only two lams of bamboo. Very classic looking. Reads 50# but is closer to 55. I am most intrigued by the John Shulz years when he made the bows and hunted with Howard Hill.

What if Bear Archery found 12 more brand new gold latch commemorative bear takedowns….you think they would sell for over $3500??? I just don’t get it?

Well, if anyone is one the fence, it does come with free shipping.

Challenge of the week.How to find 12 millionaires who are John Schulz fans. Dave

Asking and getting aren't always the same thing. Just saying.

That ain't no lie !! Orion. The rate that auction is going, he my be sitting on a few bows for a while. Jim :)

I did notice there was one bid at the starting price of $3,500. Interesting.

When I read something like this I think of a hunter I guided who told me about a friend who has a hunting budget of one million dollars a year

DDave

LOL! He got a bid! I just upped the asking price of my dynamic duo, the Bow of Bows and Holy Grail of Bows, to $10,000!

Joe

Good one Frisky love your style.Some one may make a copy of your grail one day.The Schultz will command a good price regardless I think.I know lots of folk out there who build dam good coppies of clasic bows.The Schultz is not different but its not the bow so much as the ledgendary nature of that kind of bow.Thats where the value lies. Oh yeah Frisky I am making the same colored glass lams found on your grail.All I need now is to get some dimentions of a Drake.Drakes are rare in Australia but I have seen a Schults once.I will make a Drake copy but not too keen on Schultz/Hill style bows.I wish John all the best in his venture .He along with H Hill ,F Bear and many others will always be loved and remembered by us all. OSR

The Grail cannot be copied. The task is beyond the abilities of mere mortals. God alone could copy the Grail! Of course, you could come up with a cheap reproduction, not worth anywhere near the $5,000 asking price of the underpriced Grail. You'd have to learn how to put in the power lams toward the limb tips. You'd have to add the famous "half and half" riser! You'd have to capture the most elegant tapers ever put into bow limbs! You'd have to create the tip overlays with the perfection of Mart Mathew. Then, you'd have to shape that perfect grip! The task is too daunting for a bowyer of your skill level, assuming you have any skills at all. I have now succeeded in alienating yet another member of the Leatherwall!

Joe

Its all good but I will be making those older styles of bows.OK can't really copy the grail but bows like it I can .I like that 50 's 60 's style you don't see nowdays. Yeah I think to you your grail would be priceless.The Schultz bows are out of most peoples price range.So is your grail for me.so I am making my own bow that can be my grail.Can't let you have all the fun. Cheers OSR

Its all good but I will be making those older styles of bows.OK can't really copy the grail but bows like it I can .I like that 50 's 60 's style you don't see nowdays. Yeah I think to you your grail would be priceless.The Schultz bows are out of most peoples price range.So is your grail for me.so I am making my own bow that can be my grail.Can't let you have all the fun. Cheers OSR

LOL! To be honest, I think it's honorable to bring back these veterans of the field! You should bring back the Hunter-Flite and the 56" Groves, even using the Dyna- Stresssed process, and become rich! Also the 55" Necedah with faster limbs.

Joe

Runner, you sure "hit the nail on the head!" That's the same thing I was thinking. Jim :)

I also have a Shultz made bow circa 1971, that was made for me, a Hill Tembo. The bow has been well used and is solid as a rock. Skill and craftsmanship went into the making and as such it's priceless to me. I think that counts for something when you consider John's asking prices.

The last ten seconds will tell the story. I would imagine Craig has gotin a few orders over this

I have never owned one of Mr. Schulz' bows. I looked at the website but didn't find the answer to my question. All bows are to be 66" per the website.

What are the 66" all bamboo bows good to as regard to draw length?

For example, is 66" okay for 29.5"?

With a "regular" Hill style some would say look at 70"

Thank you.

They will be good for the draw length written on them, ie the current one is 62# @ 28" draw. It is not meant to be drawn much more than a 1/2" over the marked draw length.

Looks like no one took the plunge. It will be interested to see if it gets relisted at a lower price.

I'm still not entirely sure why they are on eBay to begin with. I would think that, given the very tiny market for these bows, which is comprised of people who are already dedicated followers of his work, that he could sell these bows directly and not have to give 10% to eBay. If he sells all of them this way, he is essentially selling one bow just to cover his eBay fees.

100 raffle tickets 35$ a piece... They'd get the money they wanted.

I agree. A raffle for the lefty and a raffle for the right handers. Hell, even at $25 per ticket John would get plenty of play..

Don't understand why the sons just didn't take over making his bows keeping the tradition going and sell them at a reasonable price that the average joe can afford.

"Don't understand why the sons just didn't take over making his bows keeping the tradition going and sell them at a reasonable price that the average joe can afford."

Possibly because people want this stuff for free. Based on what I was paying around 1980, average recurve bow price should be 760. When I bought my first Mathews it was 350, they are now closing in on 2K for a stock Mathews. Shorter time frame on those, but trad bows would be around 1500 if they had kept pace. No brand no pop on the prices, but I can see why people aren't beating themselves silly to stay in business.

3500, what is that in 1911 terms, a basic right? That would get you on step one of the ladder on a custom pistol, and that is a pretty nuts and bolts kind of thing.

4000 is the starting point for a custom bike, or even something like a downhill MTB. There is a local shop that has a large circular rack of bikes like that. Meanwhile in an area of nearly 10 million, there isn't a single traditional shop, or place you can buy a decent bow.

Well the bidding ended with no bids.

There was one bid. Must have retracted it once the resurve not met came up. I would say so re thinking maybe in order. People now know there out so private sales will start

Looks like it's been relisted, with a $1k starting bid:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/mrupshot/m.html?item=171630677779&rmvSB=true&nma=true&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&ssPageName=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT&si=LFF%252Fq1Cp3CtQjGPSmtvrT5fpr%252Bc%253D&_trksid=p2047675.l2562

Actually, it's bow #3, not a relist of #2.

That's more realistic. Now it's entertainment

7 bids already!

I'm pulling up a chair for one...

10lbs lighter. May make a difference ;)

Anyone know if it is fast flight safe? ;)

Well, the second bow (#3) did not meet the reserve price either.

The top bid of around $2,250 was a fair price on the bow, in my opinion. The market will decide though. I think the reserve is set too high. I think someone mentioned we should "pay back the man" or something like that. No. It doesn't work that way. He should pay back his fans and customers by offering the bows at a fair price. That's just how I feel about it. No offense to the man. I've never shot a longbow but have always found them interesting.

Joe

Your going to get stomped on now Joe lol

I don't think so. I'd like to see the bows sell. I'm just looking at it from the perspective of a former and future sporting goods manufacturer. It's your customers that keep you in business. They don't owe you. You owe them. You owe them the best products you can build, at the best price.

Joe

Ok Iam full

So someone just listed a Schultz bow made in the 80s for $2500 obo on ebay - wow, that seems expensive for a straight-limb longbow. I really don't know much about Schultz, why is it perceived now that his bows are so valuable as collector items? Why are they so desirable compared to, say, a brand-new Craig Ekin longbow?

AND, if these Schultz bows are such a hot item now, I would like to know what a longbow that could be positively accredited to Howard Hill sell for??? Has anyone ever seen a bow made, or owned by Howard Hill come up for auction? I imagine having provenance would be critical to accredit a bow to Howard Hill...

Just looking for some education here... what do you experts say?

Given the Schulz offerings it's no surprize that Schulz made bows will show up for sale at highly inflated prices. Until the "Parting Shot" offering a Schulz made bow in excellent condition could be bought for $600, give or take a couple of hundred dollars and if you consider the bows produced by John for HHA, there is a large supply of these bows in the market, i would guess hundreds. Unless the Schulz bow up for sale for $2500 had some form of intrinsic value, like being owned by a person of great fame, I'd be surprised if it sold for that. I heard a bow made Howard Hill sold a year ago for $8000. That seems at least understandable given the very limited supply and of course being made by Howard Hill. About 10 years ago a couple of documented Hill made bows were selling for $800-$1500. While I'm a fan of Schulz made bows, still shooting a Howard Hill Tembo made in 1968, I personally wouldn't value it any differently than any other bow made by HHA or John Schulz. A late 60's Schulz Tembo was for sale last week, unused, new in the box with original paperwork, arrows, and case, on eBay for $700. I would have bought bit except it was 70# draw. I personally would find this bow more appealing as a collector(or shooter) than a currently made bow. But that's my personal taste in bows.

If he needs the money ...ok... if not, why not get them into the hands of people who would really appreciate them.

I do want to make it clear. I'm not being critical of the bows or the man behind them. It would have been nice to see them go for $4,000. It's just our economy, with so few people having that kind of money. Also a poor listing. If you type Schultz longbow into the auction site search, it doesn't even come up! They should do a better job of presenting it if they want to find the market.

Joe

I agree with Joe...fair price is fair price...there may be some that will pay but for reasons of the economy and just plain common sense there does not seem to be many takers. I'm not surprised.

His comments on the customers not owing the business are also 100% right on. A bowyer deserves a fair price for their materials, labour and innovation and a customer deserves a product that's well built and does what it's supposed to.

Price inflation solely because of a name is when things go off the rails.

Everyone is forgetting one thing, "it"s all about money". If you got it, come play. If not stay home! LOL Jim :)

I do not know the status of the bows that did not sell online.

I will say this: Just because they did not sell online in public view does not mean they haven't sold.

I have seen people that would not deal in public and would sometimes wind up paying more because they wouldn't. Some people prefer anonymity. I have no idea if it applies here. One thing about it, everyone had a shot at these longbows.

They have not sold.

In time, they'll all sell and probably for a satisfactory price. Let's face it, you could buy a crappy used car for four grand and you really have nothing for your money other than a cheap used car. Some people with money to spend will look at it that way. They might well pay more for the bow if they felt they'd get satisfaction out of owning it.

Joe

I wish any auction would post the "reserve" if there is one. Seems as though folks want to only auction if they are guaranteed top dollar. I completely understand having a reserve AT A REASONABLE price. These bows shouldn't sell for $500. When $3500 is bid and the reserve isn't met, that turns off some folks. Me included. If bidding took it to $3500 or higher that is great. But telling me that it takes MORE than that to even get in the game is crazy. JMHO.

http://www.traditionalarcherysociety.com/post/john-schulz-parting-shot-longbow-auction-7262856?pid=1285901175#post1285901175

Micheal Nunez has set up a action for John at this site.

Why bother when Craig has legend sticks for 600

Reserve auctions aren't really auctions. The bows for sale at a certain price and if you want to pay more in order to get it you can. But it will NOT go for under the sale price. Kinda like a guy selling something in person to you and a passerby stopping and telling the seller he'll pay more. I don't bid on reserve auctions, period.

Today's auction ended without the reserve being met. With all due respect to Mr. Shulz, he may want to reconsider the entire auction concept and just offer them privately. Three no sales. Unless a lefty or someone who is interested is one of the shorter bows has deep pockets there could easily be 12 no sales. Mr. Shulz, his legacy and his artistry deserve better.

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