From: CMF_3
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Date: 17-Dec-14 |
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Well folks, I'm doing a tiny little experiment here. Not real scientific, but should be fun. I'll post 12-hr interval photos if possible.
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From: Al Snow
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Date: 17-Dec-14 |
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Cool!
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From: robert carter
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Date: 17-Dec-14 |
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I bet the acorns get hammered.
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From: Dry Bones
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Date: 17-Dec-14 |
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K, so someone, preferably without being a punk, tel me what Ungulate Cocaine is?? Never heard of the stuff.
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From: CMF_3
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Date: 17-Dec-14 |
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Dry Bones there's no such product so far as I know. I just made up a fancy name to mock the names that are given to modern hunting products haha. It's some sort of mineral lick/attractant combination that is touted on the label to be "habit-forming for deer".
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From: BusAL
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Date: 17-Dec-14 |
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Interesting.
Expect different results from what happens before autumn. From what I've seen in front of my cameras deer quit the artificial licks once the weather cools.
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From: WV Mountaineer
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Date: 17-Dec-14 |
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The only way the acorns won't win is they are rotten or if a really cold spell is coming. One month ago, the acorns would have wom regardless of weather. God Bless
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From: Skeets
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Date: 17-Dec-14 |
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I'll bet they go for the corn. Can't wait to find out. Skeet
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From: lv2bohunt
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Date: 17-Dec-14 |
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It's been my experience with all three that the acorns win and the deer will stay and eat them until they are gone. The other two will attract deer for sure but they will prefer acorns every time.
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From: RymanCat
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Date: 17-Dec-14 |
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My bet is on the corn because it looks like theres already been some corn thats already been out and them feeding on it. Look around the area shown.Accorns are wrong flavor in the photos they aren't white oaks the smaller ones. Deer cane is good in spring and summer.
Lets see what you come up with. I've had them come to corn even over white oaks the candy to them and vise versa. Deer are lazy and will take an easy meal any day over the work of finding.
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From: killinstuff
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Date: 18-Dec-14 |
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Coons on the corn. Deer on the acorns. And a greased back hair middle aged dude driving a BMW and lots of gold chains and bracelets on the coke.
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From: Panzer
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Date: 18-Dec-14 |
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Thats funny
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From: Zbone
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Date: 18-Dec-14 |
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I wager corn first...8^)
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From: JP
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Date: 18-Dec-14 |
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Don't know which will be first but I almost guarantee the white stuff will be left after all else is gone. I also can say with most certainty that if you go back to that spot around may or so there will be a hole in the ground with deer tracks in it. Very curious about the corn and acornd Justin
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From: George D. Stout
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Date: 18-Dec-14 |
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The jury is still out on whether some of that store-bought mineral crap assists in the spread of CWD. I would put it in a dumpster in double plastic bags. Likely, you won't even find a list of ingredients on the package. That should bother a thinking person.
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From: Joey Ward
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Date: 18-Dec-14 |
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Should get plenty of pictures of squirrels, coons, possums, and birds.
;-)
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From: RymanCat
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Date: 18-Dec-14 |
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George can you provide the info to read up on that mineral stuff where they say it can contribute to CWD, please. I have used a ton of this over the years and have a number of mineral sites around. This is not good first time I herd it.
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From: Clydebow
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Date: 18-Dec-14 |
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Google CWD in deer and baiting.
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From: South Farm
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Date: 18-Dec-14 |
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99.9% sure they will go for the corn. As much as they like acorns I think a pile of them will seem "unnatural" to them. We'll see!
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From: 4nolz@work
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Date: 18-Dec-14 |
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Corn acorns taste bad now
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From: RymanCat
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Date: 18-Dec-14 |
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Just more controversey is all in reading that pertains to feeding, baiting and related, nothing given or actually provin!
Suspected because of gathering and altering herd. Theres plenty of variables as with everything. States sucomb to hunters complaints then reverse the baiting laws its all wishy washy.
Don't get me wrong it could be a real threat so then prove it not say possible, likley, or other none weight words to dispel this. Baiting has been going on since the cave man. Even when you don't suspect baiting the animals are being baited and said to be natural as in harvest fields and spilage in them. This an argument that will continue until the world ends.LOL
Your either for it, against it or don't understand it? LOL
Theres no specific facts that point to the truth. Prove its harmfull to the animals intake. If you shoot enough deer you will thin them out.LOL
More arrows, bullets, scent bombs, whatever, time, expence thats what it is to shoot multiple animals.
Anddddddddddddd it surely takes a lot time baiting, feeding not like this so called test.LOL This really is no test at all its a handfull of stuff that coons and busytails could eat in one feeding.LOL
I could take you to areas and show you animals that are sick from over poulation because property owner loves these animals and the property owners that surround his propertys have to high fence to keep his animals out. I say his animals because he thinks they are yet a mile from there animals are bigger stronger and definutly healthier. Over poulation is what causes CWD for the most part thats from a thinking person who sees what's in his bush. Drive around your areas you will see a lot and its fun to after a snow.
It is a shame the animals have to get this CWD but theres no real proof that its the cause of overfeeding or store bought mineral crap as pointed out?
Stuff is expensive too.LOL
Most of it is probably mixture of salt and sugar I think anyways?
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From: CMF_3
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Date: 18-Dec-14 |
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24 hours later corn was slightly eaten, acorns and mineral lick untouched. Neighbor was rooting around nearby all afternoon, so deer stayed away it seems. I'll post again in a day or 2.
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From: Terry PA
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Date: 18-Dec-14 |
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Do you have a trail camera on it? Because if you don't you don't know if its raccoon, crows, squirrels, or a host of other animals eating it.
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From: CMF_3
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Date: 18-Dec-14 |
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I can confirm there are deer and squirrels eating it, doubt there is anything else.
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From: RymanCat
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Date: 18-Dec-14 |
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Without camera you will not know whats on it. Taking pitures like this is worthless. No way to tell. Cameras on 24 x 7 will show you and you might be surprized when you look at the whole picture in your dinner whats going on.LOL
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From: BusAL
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Date: 19-Dec-14 |
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Surely there's not much chance CWD will be spread at bait sites unless CWD is in the area.
But yeah. You need a camera to know. Coons, foxes, rabbits, turkeys, and squirrels get more corn in front of my cameras than deer do.
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From: nibbler
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Date: 19-Dec-14 |
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nibbler is a Stickbow.com Sponsor - Website |
some people over do it!!
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From: Chief RID
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Date: 19-Dec-14 |
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Hang in there CMF 3. Ignore the scoffers. Stick to your original hypothesis.
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From: JP
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Date: 19-Dec-14 |
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CMF 3 I don't think your experiment is worthless with ought a camera by an means, however if you have one, I think it tells you so much more than just going back and forth watching the piles shrink. You may see new deer hit all 3 piles but stay at one longer heck you may see young deer on one pile and older deer on another. Who knows. I'm still very interested in the out come, keep us posted
Justin
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From: Babysaph
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Date: 19-Dec-14 |
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The corn will go first
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From: Cotton Mouth
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Date: 19-Dec-14 |
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where is the peanut butter ricebran deer love
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From: Mojostick
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Date: 19-Dec-14 |
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While your experiment is for fun, I wouldn't take it as anything to consider as far as helping to attract deer for hunting.
First, mineral licks are typically used by deer in Spring and Summer. Deer typically do not use sodium based licks in Fall or Winter. Deer crave potassium and sodium. Potassium and sodium must maintain a balance at a cellular level. At green up, vegetation naturally provides the potassium deer crave, but the sodium deer crave to achieve that balance may need to be supplemented with mineral licks/blocks. The result is deer will hammer minerals/salt at Spring green up thru late Summer. As potassium levels drop in the Fall vegetation, so does the sodium craving. The result is deer typically don't visit mineral sites much in late season.
For the corn, late season deer crave foods high in carbohydrates. Corn is such a food. If one is going to bait in late season, corn can be a perfect option. Just be careful about starting a corn diet late in the season, because it can greatly harm the deer if they hadn't had a corn diet prior and the eat too much of it. Also, check game laws and be mindful that feed and mineral sites can possibly be a higher disease threat. Did you touch the corn with bare hands or pour from a bag?
For the acorns, there's too many variables to reach any conclusion. Deer love fresh acorns from preferred tree species. But, deer can walk right past older acorns and acorns oak species with more tannic acid. Freshness is the key. Are they fresh acorns? Are they from 6 weeks ago? Did you pick them up with bare hands?
Again, I know it's all for fun, but I don't want other readers, who may be inexperienced, reading this and forming a conclusion by the results.
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From: Mojostick
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Date: 19-Dec-14 |
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I addition, mineral licks typically get better with age. Soil type is also a factor if dumped on the ground. It's a waste to dump minerals in sandy soils, as the sand will simply leech the minerals away in little time. If in a sandy area, use a large, freshly cut stump for minerals or use a block. If dumping on the ground, do so on clay or heavy soils. It may take months to a year for a lick to get frequent use.
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From: Grey Fox
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Date: 19-Dec-14 |
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I have never used trailcam or feeders but a picture is worth a thousand words. In the early 90's Atoka county had what they called blue tongue. Have no idea the cause, maybe same as cwd.
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From: r.grider
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Date: 19-Dec-14 |
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"Isn't the same true for deer eating under an oak tree, eating apples under and apple tree, working a scrape, working a licking branch, scent checking urine, nursing, grooming, sparring, fighting, mating...pretty much just living?" To an extent, but its more like you eating in the same room with you're sick buddy, than using the same plate and fork. Not near the concentration that a bait pile is. To me , feeding wildlife has always been a bad idea, for any reason. They become dependent on it, than some people stop feeding. No wildlife biologist worth his salt is going to recommend feeding wildlife. They may recommend improving habitat, Mast bearing trees, food plots, native grasses, etc. Its always best to leave wild things wild. Why do you think they prohibit feeding bears ?
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From: r.grider
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Date: 19-Dec-14 |
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I say the acorns will go first if they are good, whiteoak acorns. Deer prefer them over anything.
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From: dm/wolfskin
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Date: 19-Dec-14 |
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Put a hog on them. lol
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From: CMF_3
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Date: 21-Dec-14 |
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2 days later the acorns were discovered. I expected more dramatic results haha. Oh well. I'll post a photo if one gets finished much faster than the other.
There are deer prints all over. They are white oak acorns and seem to be good still as they just finished dropping a couple weeks ago.
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From: Chief RID
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Date: 21-Dec-14 |
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Should not take long to finish it off, now that they have found it unless there is a lot of other feeding going on.
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From: WV Mountaineer
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Date: 21-Dec-14 |
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Some of those pictured acorns have laid in wet leaves for a while.
I suspect all the acorns deemed palatable have been eaten out of your pile already.
Pay attention to what MOJOSTICK said. He is spot on. God Bless
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From: 4nolz@work
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Date: 21-Dec-14 |
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GreyFox bluetongue(EHD) is completely different from CWD.
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