Traditional Archery Discussions on the Leatherwall


Metal riser pluses

Messages posted to thread:
Barber 17-Dec-14
fide archer 17-Dec-14
redheadlvr 17-Dec-14
George D. Stout 17-Dec-14
2nocks 17-Dec-14
tabbender 17-Dec-14
Toby 17-Dec-14
Tal McNeill 17-Dec-14
Tradbowmike 17-Dec-14
outpostdave 17-Dec-14
zetabow 17-Dec-14
strshotx 17-Dec-14
M60gunner 17-Dec-14
stickbow21 17-Dec-14
Dan In MI 17-Dec-14
reddogge 17-Dec-14
Sipsey River 17-Dec-14
charley 17-Dec-14
Ghostinthemachine 17-Dec-14
roger 17-Dec-14
Dan In MI 17-Dec-14
NTProf 17-Dec-14
Str8 Shooter 18-Dec-14
tabbender 18-Dec-14
Tajue17 18-Dec-14
zetabow 18-Dec-14
Hoyt 18-Dec-14
S.M.Robertson 18-Dec-14
GLF 18-Dec-14
George D. Stout 18-Dec-14
JRW 18-Dec-14
Ghostinthemachine 18-Dec-14
jwingman 18-Dec-14
Backcountry 18-Dec-14
George D. Stout 18-Dec-14
Backcountry 18-Dec-14
George D. Stout 18-Dec-14
mangonboat 18-Dec-14
KyPhil 18-Dec-14
Backcountry 18-Dec-14
reddogge 18-Dec-14
George D. Stout 18-Dec-14
George D. Stout 18-Dec-14
zetabow 19-Dec-14
Backcountry 19-Dec-14
Babysaph 19-Dec-14
Mo0se 19-Dec-14
Barber 19-Dec-14
Mo0se 19-Dec-14
Barber 19-Dec-14
Hiram 19-Dec-14
HARRY CARRY 20-Dec-14
bigdog21 20-Dec-14
bigdog21 20-Dec-14
longrifle 20-Dec-14
Mo0se 20-Dec-14
From: Barber
Date: 17-Dec-14




Ok, let's here the good things about a metal riser recurve or longbow. I have both metal and wood , while love the fill of wood have to say the metal riser seems to take away all hand shock and helps with far distance shots for stability . What do y'all think about them?

From: fide archer
Date: 17-Dec-14




I like the grip and weight of my 1972 bear A mag riser. I did however not like my mag B riser and sold it. With a new set of limbs it shootd great.

From: redheadlvr
Date: 17-Dec-14




Besides being cold I like mine which is a Black Widow.

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 17-Dec-14




Well, being that they were used for hunting and field archery in the 1940's, I suspect the traditional aspect is pretty valid. Although I was chastised once for posting a photo of a young man with his whitetail deer and a metal riser bow from 1949. I guess that was unfair of me to prove a point.

Anyway, those of us who grew up in archery prior to the compound becoming popular, they were just bows with metal risers. We of coursed like them for what they were and are, and they are great shooter. If I had to pick one bow for serious competition, it would likely be my metal risers, for many of the reasons Kevin listed. And fact is, I am more consistent arrow after arrow with them. I like both though, and when hunting season comes, I usually have a wood riser recurve or a longbow in my hand. A real longbow.

From: 2nocks
Date: 17-Dec-14




would add to the list: stability

From: tabbender
Date: 17-Dec-14




Metal riser= endless options for grip shape and size. Endless options for color.

From: Toby
Date: 17-Dec-14




You can use an adjustable rest.

From: Tal McNeill
Date: 17-Dec-14




Mass weight without bulk. That's always been one of the biggest draws for me.

From: Tradbowmike
Date: 17-Dec-14




What Kevin said and more. Never owned one until I had shoulder surgery and had time to study. Now it is "how many can I own" syndrome. Strength, versatility and stability. Best 3D scores and consistency ever.

From: outpostdave
Date: 17-Dec-14




Add to that (if ILF), seemingly endless limb choices from an array of manufactures.

From: zetabow
Date: 17-Dec-14




" They drive the traddy trads nuts.

When you put longbow limbs on them and call them a longbow, the traddy trads heads actually explode"

Good enough reason for me ;-)

During a lightning storm you find out who your real friends are

From: strshotx
Date: 17-Dec-14




My only metal riser bows are a couple of my ILF bows,I don't like to put grips on them.I just wrap them with some grip tape,I like the narrow grip.

From: M60gunner
Date: 17-Dec-14




I find my B handle Bear riser with #3 limbs easier to tune

From: stickbow21
Date: 17-Dec-14




Out of all the bows I have had throughout numerous years now, The ones I shot the best were: 1. Bear Mini mag riser with ILF plates with DAS shorts. 2. Quinn stallion 3. Bear A Mag with #1 Gainesville limbs.

From: Dan In MI
Date: 17-Dec-14




The only negative is they can get very cold.

From: reddogge Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 17-Dec-14




Termites can't eat them and water can't rot or delaminate them.

From: Sipsey River
Date: 17-Dec-14




I like that I can get very light weight limbs. I like that the metal riser is cut past center making it easier to tune arrows of heavier spine if needed. I like being able to change grips. If I want to do so I can shoot a very light arrow (for 3D events). The price of ILF limbs go from under $75 to 10 times that, but the cheap ones shoot very well. I like being able to set the tiller and adjust poundage. My metal ILF risers were less than $200 each and are nearly indestructible.

From: charley
Date: 17-Dec-14




Only downside is the cold handle. Best upside: Wrap handle with bubble wrap and hockey tape, and shooting with the traddy trads as they roll there eyes. Priceless fun.

From: Ghostinthemachine
Date: 17-Dec-14




They're ugly.

They're cold.

They're souless.

They're godless.

They're ridiculously untrad.

From: roger
Date: 17-Dec-14




Except they aren't "ridiculously untrad" and completely trad for the reasons listed above. Additionally, my fingers have never frozen and broken off while hunting with them. Kevin nailed it, btw.

From: Dan In MI
Date: 17-Dec-14

Dan In MI's embedded Photo



That darn Fred Bear, he was the most untrad archer EVER.

From: NTProf
Date: 17-Dec-14




I also found that the transition from compound to metal risers bows, probably due to the grip, seemed easier.

From: Str8 Shooter
Date: 18-Dec-14




Just another riser. Never saw a difference in accuracy when comparing like sized risers. For those that saw an increase in accuracy are you set up the same and comparing the same weight limbs?

I have both, main reason I would choose metal is if I want to shoot an elevated rest/plunger setup.

From: tabbender
Date: 18-Dec-14




"They're ugly. They're cold.

They're souless.

They're godless.

They're ridiculously untrad."

I am 4 out of 5 of these things myself.

From: Tajue17
Date: 18-Dec-14




you can drill a hole in the riser then tap it for the same threads as your bow hook & 2nd chance arrow clip and now you have a place to screw those so you never forget them.

also you can get them skinned (dipped) any color you want then re-dipped as many times as you want without damage.

you can have a hatchet head made in the same design as a limb fade out so when you need a hatchet just take limbs off and bolt on hatchet connection and now you have a bow riser hatchet.

if the truck gets stuck in mud or snow put the riser under the wheel instead of sticks and burn right outta there,,having it stibbled first is recommended.

finally watch the double bull videos from the original owner (I think its called "a year on the ground") and see him use his metal riser ACS making heart shot after heart shot.

From: zetabow
Date: 18-Dec-14

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When you can shoot walkback groups like this from 10 to 60 yards you can forgive that it's a metal riser.

From: Hoyt
Date: 18-Dec-14




Only drawback for me is mine is cold and heavier. I haven't been able to hunt since last part of Oct. due to health problems and then pulled my shoulder muscle when I tried to shoot the other day. So I'm having to use my Quinn Stallion 41#..45# at my draw. Will try and hunt this afternoon. The good part is I'm more accurate with it than my other bows.

From: S.M.Robertson
Date: 18-Dec-14

S.M.Robertson's embedded Photo



Here is a pic of my Carroll's. The grip is where it's at and the static limbs are smooth as butter. It's my go to bow. I shoot better with it plus it handles about any arrow I put on it. Metal risers have been around longer than most of us. I like my wood handled bows too, but I'm not giving my Carroll's up. I've always followed my own lamp , never gave a hoot what anybody else thought.

From: GLF
Date: 18-Dec-14




I know most will never shoot enough arrows in different temps to notice, even if they could shoot well enough, lol, but you'll never find a wood that is as consistant as metal in different temps. Wood changes enough to change long range groups with extreme temp changes, metal doesn't. That being said I'm wood all the way. Its pretty and warms to the hand.

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 18-Dec-14

George D. Stout's embedded Photo



Hey Scott, better bring that bow down and we will take them for a woods walk again. My Carroll's is itching to head for the gamelands.

From: JRW
Date: 18-Dec-14




I've been shooting them for several years and haven't found a down side yet.

From: Ghostinthemachine
Date: 18-Dec-14




Good one KPC. lol

For those that don't know, I was just kidding. :)

From: jwingman
Date: 18-Dec-14




I have had several wooden bows and wooden handles let go on me. I have yet to have a failure with a metal handle. That is a plus side value to me. I had $1200 worth of wooden bows blow up on me last year. Not a pleasant event. The limbs can still let go but they can be replaced easier. I still have some wooden laminated bows. They are warmer in the handle but I have found I really like my DAS DX5. jwingman

From: Backcountry
Date: 18-Dec-14




What make of limbs do those Carrolls have on them?

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 18-Dec-14




They are Carroll's own limbs, but Wing Presentation II limbs will also bolt on to them. They are R and L specific though.

From: Backcountry
Date: 18-Dec-14




Those Carroll limbs have some interesting curvature. Static tips?

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 18-Dec-14




The limbs on Scott's bow are semi-static. They do open late in the draw. My bow has standard recurve limbs as most Carroll's do.

From: mangonboat
Date: 18-Dec-14




Pro's: rock steady at full draw, nobody ever gives me grief about the home-grown camo paint job, never bothers me to drill and tap new attachment holes, looks great with any wild combination of string colors you can imagine.

Con: makes me frustrated that I can't hold the wooden bows as steady, would be a load to carry on a long day of still hunting.

From: KyPhil
Date: 18-Dec-14




The Chastain Wapiti recurve resembles that Carrolls.

From: Backcountry
Date: 18-Dec-14




So the limbs on Scott's bow may be from a maker other than Carroll--that is what I'm trying to determine.

From: reddogge Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 18-Dec-14




Pros: I've never shot another bow as well.

Cons: Can't think of any. In cold weather I'm touching wood on my Titan III riser, not metal anyway so the cold in winter argument doesn't hold water.

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 18-Dec-14




Sent you a PM Backcountry.

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 18-Dec-14




Sent you a PM Backcountry.

From: zetabow
Date: 19-Dec-14




My riser has exposed metal where my finger tips rest, during winter I just put a few layers of black hockey tape on and problem solved.

From: Backcountry
Date: 19-Dec-14




Thanks for the PM, George.

My Wing Comp II has a solid metal riser that is really heavy. Not sure what the metal is--possibly from a recycled Soviet submarine?

I'm looking for some lighter draw weight limbs that I might be able to bolt to the slide-loc attachments. It would make a good 3d bow.

From: Babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 19-Dec-14




One of the pluses is when you outshoot ur buddies you cam listen to them bitch about how your bow is not as traditional as wood.

From: Mo0se
Date: 19-Dec-14

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This is what a proper longbow looks like! :)

From: Barber
Date: 19-Dec-14




Is that proper longbow a DX 5 ?

From: Mo0se
Date: 19-Dec-14




No...it's a 21" Dalaa Riser

From: Barber
Date: 19-Dec-14




Never have shot the Dalaa, only Hoyt's in machined riser bows. Would love to try a Dalaa sometime as I would like to try longbow limbs on one like yours. Is it a as good a shooter as it looks?

From: Hiram
Date: 19-Dec-14

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Metal and wood were both created, both came from the ground, both have Earth origin.

Your body is made of metals.

Groves Spitfire is now ILF..

From: HARRY CARRY
Date: 20-Dec-14




Both of my Lefty metal riser bows, a Sky Medalist and a Sky Target Master, are simply fun to shoot. Yeppers, I get comments. But I normally get comments about most everything I do.....

From: bigdog21
Date: 20-Dec-14

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You can even put funky limbs and training wheels on them

From: bigdog21
Date: 20-Dec-14




just kidding I have had a couple a sky medalist and one covered in brown velvet. the sky was a good shooter.

From: longrifle
Date: 20-Dec-14




I remember the snickers when I showed up with a Black Bear Warf at my first tournament. Most of those guys had more money in their quiver than I had in my whole rig. One guy actually told me that they had already pounded in the stakes for the targets, I could put my ax back in the truck. I managed an 8 average that day but later I found that same guy scratching leaves, looking for his arrows on numerous occasions. I slipped up to him and quietly asked if he wanted to borrow my ax....

Personally it doesn't matter to me if someone shoots a broom handle strung with tobacco twine as long as they're shooting and enjoying it. I shoot metal risers and love'em. I don't like runny eggs.

From: Mo0se
Date: 20-Dec-14




Barber, Yes it's a joy to shoot!





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