From: Harleywriter
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Date: 30-Nov-14 |
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Check out this masterpiece.
http://www.blacktailbows.com/store/p88/Inventory_Bow_%28Legacy_Series%29_-_AVAILABLE_NOW.html
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From: Panzer
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Date: 30-Nov-14 |
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I wouldn't even pick that bow up. Crazy
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From: camo5988
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Date: 30-Nov-14 |
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Got to be the ugliest Deer/creature I have ever seen presented in this manner.
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From: badger
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Date: 30-Nov-14 |
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If I was a world class shooter with money to burn I might own one and hunt it. I think it looks nice but way overbord for me.
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From: TJK68
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Date: 30-Nov-14 |
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I would be afraid to touch it! Lol.... Beautiful bow, but to much for me. Tom
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From: Jeff Durnell
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Date: 30-Nov-14 |
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Uh, no thanks. While I respect the beauty of the wood and the crafter(s) abilities, that's much too gawdy for me.
Stickbows... less is more.
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From: George D. Stout
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Date: 30-Nov-14 |
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Agree with Jeff. It's beyond the realm of most working hunters, but someone will buy it just to say they have one. For that kind of money a person could have a pretty nice start to a collection of vintage bows.
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From: WV Mountaineer
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Date: 30-Nov-14 |
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Walnut is beautiful. It does a great job on the limbs, even the riser. But, with all those inlays, it is far to fancy for my tastes and quite ugly in my opinion.
The beauty of wood, besides the obvious, is the simple beauty it portrays without all the gawdy stuff. Just my opinion. And of course, the fact it costs that much almost made me puke.
God Bless
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From: GLF
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Date: 30-Nov-14 |
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Too gawdy at any price. Looks like a party favor. Might make a good lamp tho.
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From: Pointer
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Date: 30-Nov-14 |
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Way too busy for me...
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From: crookedstix
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Date: 30-Nov-14 |
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Somebody put the decimal in the wrong place on this one... by a couple of places.
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From: Harleywriter
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Date: 30-Nov-14 |
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Yeah, I kind of had the same feeling about it being over the top for me.
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From: Arcobsessed
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Date: 30-Nov-14 |
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OK guys....but don't forget you get a free armguard with it. Seriously though, it is a work of art. I don't think you'd take this out in the bush.
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From: The Beav
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Date: 30-Nov-14 |
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I own and hunt with a "simple" Blacktail Elite so I appreciate Norm's fine work. The Legacy series is just too much artwork jammed into one bow. Gaudy is a good description. Simple and elegant works for me. Beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder. I'm sure there will be a waiting list for these bows, but I won't be one of them.
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From: Seahorse
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Date: 30-Nov-14 |
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Any experienced woodworker has an idea of the insane amount of work and talent that went into that line of bows. Beyond gorgeous.
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From: Horsegal
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Date: 30-Nov-14 |
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Not for me, to gaudy and out of purse range. To busy. Very similar to what you see on many a European hunting rifle. I am sure they will sell in Europe where blacktail has a huge following. I like simple and elegant.
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From: BillK
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Date: 30-Nov-14 |
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Norm builds the most beautiful bows anywhere. His display of them at the PBS gathering was awesome. I Would love to have one of his beauties. I see works of art instead of gaudy. If I ever win the lottery I will definitely own one just to sit and look at. :0
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From: crookedstix
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Date: 30-Nov-14 |
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I'm sure it also took a lot of work and talent on the part of the tailor who made Liberace's outfits... and to some they were beautiful. It's all in the eye of the bowholder, as has been said many times here.
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From: Popester1
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Date: 30-Nov-14 |
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You all pretty much covered my thoughts, undoubtedly talented. I think I'd sell it and go on a very nice hunt somewhere with the money.
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From: Smithhammer
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Date: 30-Nov-14 |
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Neither. If I had $5k burning a hole in my pocket and I was thinking about buying a bow, I would spend significantly <$1k on a beautiful (but simple and unadorned) longbow, and go on a great trip instead...
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From: Stumpkiller
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Date: 30-Nov-14 |
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I hunt with a flintlock rifle that would cost more than that to replace (though the gunsmith has upped his prices a bit since I had mine made). I hunt with a second flintlock fowler that was close. In the rain, in the snow. That's what they are for.
Life is short. What BETTER use of a weapon than hunting?
If you want art buy a painting. If you wany a beautiful piece for hunting - by all means endulge yourself if you can. Mine still cost a lot less than a motorcycle. We have different prorities. I like to make my limited time in the woods premium time. This may be the only life you have to experience good things.
This from a guy who likes hunting with $100 used recurves. It's all good.
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From: biggame
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Date: 30-Nov-14 |
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Who knows I am clearly not the target audience for the bow so to me it seems odd.
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From: Deadringer
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Date: 30-Nov-14 |
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That is an incredible display of talent, I especially like the basket weave look.
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From: badger
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Date: 30-Nov-14 |
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Sme battle scars and character would take nothing from that bow, I think it might add to it.
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From: jimwright
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Date: 30-Nov-14 |
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Traditional bows are a pretty small canvas for an artist to work on, no matter how talented. They get crowded fast enough for the term "gaudy" to come to mind pretty quick.
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From: bodymanbowyer
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Date: 30-Nov-14 |
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A ton of talented craftsmanship there. If I had 10 tons of hundred dollar bills maybe?
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From: dingas
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Date: 30-Nov-14 |
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As a woodworker I am very impressed. It is a work of art. That said, if I were to drop nearly 5 grand on a bow (never gonna happen), it would go to the woods, no matter how beautiful. Thats what its made for. Like those guys that buy 60 000 custom motorcycles and load them on a trailer to go to bike shows... what for? Ride it!
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From: Wild Bill
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Date: 01-Dec-14 |
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Ostentatious.
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From: GF
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Date: 01-Dec-14 |
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Hunt it? Nope…
Hang it? Naw…
If I won it in a drawing, I think I’d HOCK it! It’s impressive work, but absolutely not my style.
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From: Hermon
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Date: 01-Dec-14 |
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I can appreciate the work involved in such a bow, but it is definitely NOT my taste. As others have said, less is more in my book.
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From: nomo
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Date: 01-Dec-14 |
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Kind of pretty and a lot of nice work. Not my speed, but it's your $$.
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From: Paul
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Date: 01-Dec-14 |
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I would love one and I believe I would hunt with it! I may just start saving up!
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From: papabear
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Date: 01-Dec-14 |
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If you notice the arm guard is not included there is an additional charge for that.
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From: GF
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Date: 01-Dec-14 |
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One oddity I just noticed….I was perusing the different bows that they have in stock (and some that they’ve already sold) and there are all of these scenes of large, majestic species.. Elk and Lions and Cape Buffalo and…. They all draw mid-to-upper #40s???
Isn't that sort of like having a custom-built double rifle engraved with pictures of rhino and elephant... and chambered in .30/30..??
Kind of makes you wonder who they’re making them for….
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From: Backcountry
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Date: 01-Dec-14 |
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...People with a lot more money than I have, that's for sure. Talk about gilding the lily!
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From: SCATTERSHOT
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Date: 01-Dec-14 |
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For those of you who remember Bobo, he would probably say it stacks badly.
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From: MStyles
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Date: 01-Dec-14 |
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Out of my league. I look at that and think of the office wall of some bank executive who also has many trophy mounts. It's beautiful and shows tremendous craftsmanship, but that's where it starts and ends for me personally.
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From: painter
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Date: 01-Dec-14 |
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I'm an artist and I paint things for people that I can't afford to paint for myself but I thank the lord for the folks that can and do purchase those paintings, if it wasn't for them I'd have to work for a living!
The man who creates a bow like this, does so because he derives joy in the making. Finding someone who appreciates the art and can also afford to reward it's creator is icing on the cake. The world is a better place if it is possible for artists to exist.
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From: AustinEvans
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Date: 01-Dec-14 |
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Wells said Painter, I completely agree!! It is a beautiful bow but there is something to be said about simple lines and that saying "Less is more" does have a lot of truth behind it.
I doubt I would ever own a bow like that but if I did the first thing I would do is take it hunting and get it scratched up. lol
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From: robert
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Date: 01-Dec-14 |
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A bow that nice looking, you take it hunting and all those monster bucks will line up just to have an opportunity to be shot by it. really nice craftsmanship there, way to rich for me, I'm diabetic just looking at the pictures made my blood sugar go up, nice bow though.
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From: razorhunter
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Date: 01-Dec-14 |
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I don't like the gold,but otherwise a very elegant and well thought out bow....and I'd hunt it
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From: Mo0se
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Date: 01-Dec-14 |
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I'd shoot carp with it...I guess.
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From: TRADITIONALJBJ
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Date: 02-Dec-14 |
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Honestly, it is beautiful. I love it. But, I would keep what I have and take a few hunting trips.
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From: Bowferd
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Date: 02-Dec-14 |
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I'd hunt it for life and then pass it on.
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From: oso
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Date: 02-Dec-14 |
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.... sorta' reminds me of all these new mid-priced automobiles that have been "tricked out" with what I call "ethnic" wheels and rubber --- usually to the tune of thousands of $$$ -- a real eye catcher, but also to some of us, an eyesore.
LOTS of outdoorsmen guys outfit their pickups with this ridiculous stuff.
..... and these are the same folks that are griping about the economy.....
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From: oso
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Date: 02-Dec-14 |
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....HEY ! ..... MY BAD !! ...... I didn't realize that it came with a free armguard !
..... where is that credit card ....?!?
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From: N. Y. Yankee
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Date: 02-Dec-14 |
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I have a friend who regularly hunts and shoots skeet with an old Parker shotgun that's worth about 90 G's. Some people would have no problem hunting that bow. Too Rich for my blood. The way I figure it, you could get that one 5K bow, or 5 REALLY nice bows, or 10 pretty good bows. Ill take the 5 thanks.
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From: jaz5833
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Date: 02-Dec-14 |
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I watched shoes being made on "How It's Made" last night, that cost this much.......and you walk on them!!
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From: Ghostinthemachine
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Date: 02-Dec-14 |
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There are many people that would have no problem laying down $5K for a bow and hunting it. I'm not one of them.
I think it's nice. Gawdy, but nicely executed. The man has mad skills.
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From: GF
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Date: 02-Dec-14 |
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Is the arm guard free with that one??? I was looking at some others on the site and the arm guard was an extra-cost option….
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From: Bjorn
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Date: 02-Dec-14 |
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Norm Johnson is a craftsman-an artist and I respect that..........to me a bow is a tool, and I prefer it to look like one. Each to their own taste.
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From: George D. Stout
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Date: 02-Dec-14 |
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$5,000 shoes? Well, there you go. A customer.
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From: buddyb
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Date: 02-Dec-14 |
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To answer the question...I'd hunt it.
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From: goldentrout_one
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Date: 02-Dec-14 |
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No, I would never hunt with this bow, it'd be akin to hunting with a Bear 'limited edition' takedown, the ones with the gold latches signed by Fred Bear. It's just eye candy, if you buy this bow you are a 'patron of the arts' but it's not for actual use.
Having said that, if a rich girlfriend bought this for me, I'd hunt it and hunt it hard, what the hell! It's just stuff, you can't take it with you. I'd never spend my own money on something like this though.
It is interesting though, that people buy 'best guns' from Europe, spend $100,000 on a shotgun or rifle, and they'll hunt those things pretty hard. Go figure!
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From: Horsegal
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Date: 02-Dec-14 |
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Try buying a double rifle that is a plain jane hunter. The wood work in those bows are not performed by Norm. It said so on the web site. That work cost $$$ so have to charge $$$$$ to the buyer. Again, I think they will sell great in Europe
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From: Wildhog
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Date: 03-Dec-14 |
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I'd pass on that one.
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From: Piquaspat
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Date: 03-Dec-14 |
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A true work of art and testament to the skill it took to create. I think they are gorgeous and true works of art. That said, way out of my league pricewise, and if one ever fell into my lap, I would have to sell it and go on that moose hunt trip of a lifetime! I truly believe that he will sell those, there are folks out there who don't blink an eye at that price tag. Especially for what I would consider the current benchmark in craftsmanship among bowyers. Museum quality.
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From: TrapperKayak
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Date: 23-Dec-14 |
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Beautiful creation (except deer is unrealistic) that if I could afford either or both, I'd take to New Zealand in search of a 450+ SCI Red Deer stag. That would be the ultimate in hunts that is only a fantasy for me. I would take that special animal with it (if lucky), then get a shoulder mount, frame the bow and mount together and put it on display in the trophy room. Never to be hunted with again, and only occasionally shot, maybe on the decade anniversaries of said kill. Stuff of dreams. If I find enough sheds to pay for it, maybe consider it... (the NZ hunt, not the bow).
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From: BusAL
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Date: 23-Dec-14 |
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I'd be tempted to trade it for boat and go fishing, or a couple-year-old FZ1 and ride the heck out of it!
But since I already have something to fish out of and something to ride I guess I'd hunt with it instead.
While proof-reading, I see typing that was a waste of time. ;-)
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From: South Farm
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Date: 23-Dec-14 |
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I've owned a few Blacktails, but this one is a bit over the top so I'd probably sell it and go on a nice hunt somewhere with my cheap $60 Grizzly.
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From: sir misalots
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Date: 23-Dec-14 |
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Id hunt with it after I spray painted it camo :)
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From: reddogge
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Date: 23-Dec-14 |
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I'd love to own it for the sake of owning it. It would get shot and probably hunted with.
Fancy never held our forefathers' back in the 1820s.
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From: Sixby
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Date: 23-Dec-14 |
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Any bowyer can send off a riser and have it carved. That is machine carving. Few can do good relief carving and checkering themselves. I believe this is too gaudy bul love the checkering that some of the bowyers such as Silvertip does. I've done some real fancy stuff and there is a place where it goes too far. This is too much to me. I would much rather have a really beautiful Blacktail showing some really nice wood that is fine checkered with a less obtrusive carving. It would be classier , if there is such a word.
God bless, Steve
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From: Mike Etzler
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Date: 23-Dec-14 |
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Beautiful work no doubt, but it looks more like a pc of furniture than a bow. Would look nice at the end of a staircase.
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From: WV Mountaineer
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Date: 23-Dec-14 |
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Artist exit in all forms painter. No one denies they create great things. Life says they exist. Not money.
I'd sell it and use the money help someone out that needs it, and buy my wife something she really wanted. I know she has earned it. God Bless
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From: HARRY CARRY
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Date: 23-Dec-14 |
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It's right handed. I'm a lefty. If by some worldly miracle it came into my possession, it would be put towards the many Left Hand 31-35# classic, big riser, long, target bows that I'd love to own instead, but realistically will never have the opportunity. So, instead of getting my hopes up for that gazillion-to-one chance of ownership, I'll just keep saving my over-time money, while looking at the LW classifieds. Or, better yet, I'll just be quite happy with the bows that I already have, and enjoy!
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From: Recurve Crafter
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Date: 23-Dec-14 |
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They're not for everyone, but I think that's kind of the point.
It's a big world out there and I'm sure there's a market for them.
It looks like he's already sold several of them, so obviously someone is buying them.
Way to go Norm!
I've learned you can't always assume that everyone has the same amount of money in their pocket as you do. There are some very successful folks out there that won't blink an eye to buy something they feel is worth the money.
If you're good at what you do and can only build a somewhat limited amount of products per year (like Norm), you might as well make it worth your while and lean towards the higher end of the market. I think he would be doing himself an injustice if he didn't.
There will always be plenty of other guys out there making ordinary bows (that are usually struggling to stay in business anyways).
There's no use in trying to compete with ordinary if you're capable of producing extraordinary (like Norm can).
I hope the market is able to sustain what he's trying to accomplish.
To be honest, the carved stuff isn't my taste (and I couldn't afford one anyways...lol), but I think it's great that he's offering them. It's nice to see something different and unique.
And the carvings on those bows aren't done by machine.
That's all HAND-CARVED (outsourced to master carvers).
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From: Ironfist
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Date: 24-Dec-14 |
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I would hunt it.
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From: Sixby
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Date: 24-Dec-14 |
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Brandon, The carving is done by a machine that is operated by a master craftsman. To what degree that man uses the machine is something I do not know. However I carve enough to know plus I also know what machine he uses and who does the work. It is very fine work . What I was alluding to is that Norm does not do the carving himself and any bowyer that wants to spend the bucks can outsource any thing you want. That includes you. Somehow that eliminates some of the uniqueness to me. But it does not change the quality of the product. I guess I am just old school enough that I kind of believe in building my own bow and doing it all. I will say this though. That is not hand carving and Norm is not doing it.
God bless, Steve
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From: Recurve Crafter
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Date: 24-Dec-14 |
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Well, I disagree with you Steve. I still don't think those carvings are machine cut.
I'd eat my hat if you could prove otherwise.
They even state on their website that the all the metal engravings and wood carvings are hand carved, so if they're not then they're lying (which I don't think is the case). Norm has a consistent history of being known for his honesty and integrity.
I know a little about cnc's, and you'd need to have a 5 axis machine to even come close to doing those kinds of carvings.
And every bow that I've seen has been different, so that also leads me to believe that they've all been hand carved.
It wouldn't be practical to program a cnc just to carve on one bow.
So what machine do you think they use (since you claim to know)? I'm not trying to be a wise guy. I'm genuinely curious.
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From: Sixby
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Date: 24-Dec-14 |
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Brandon I sometimes say things I shouldn't say but I never claim to know something I don't know. At least not on purpose. Hand carving to me means a hammer and chisels and various knives. Not a professional carving machine. But hey , I'm admittedly a dinosaur of the worst sort. You have a pm. Put the hat down. Not necessary at all , Eat a sugar cookie and drink a cup of coffee instead. God bless and Merry Christmas, Steve
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From: False Cast
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Date: 24-Dec-14 |
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I'd sell it and feel extremely lucky if it sold for 25% of its current asking price.
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From: Sixby
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Date: 24-Dec-14 |
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I would like to add that this could simply be about definitions of hand carving and perceptions. I definitely see things differently than a lot of people do and am old school when it comes to woodwork. I certainly apologize if I offended anyone and Brandon you have every right to disagree with me and so does anyone else. In no way did I mean to be addressing any integrity of Norm or Blacktail bow as they both deserve extreme credit for good service, honesty and wonderful bows and in my mind integrity did not and does not come into question. My comments were meant to be to the carving in question and to hang it or shoot it and that's all except for the hand carved thing.
God bless and Merry Christmas, Steve
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From: Recurve Crafter
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Date: 26-Dec-14 |
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Okay Steve.
I didn't realize that your definition of "hand carved" was with chisels only...lol
I thought you were referring to "machine carved" as in machine guided with CNC equipment.
I think CNC's are what most people think of when something is referred to as "machine carved".
The power tool that you sent me a link of is nothing more than an expensive Dremel tool.
Most people that engrave and carve probably use some sort of power tool like that (whether it's a $40 Dremel tool or a $1,200 professional unit).
My mother-in-law has been an artist for over 40 years working in many different art forms (including woodcarving). She'll use whatever it takes to get the job done on her wood carvings. It could be anything from an old rusty screw driver that she's sharpened into a makeshift chisel... to a Dremel tool that she plugs into the wall, but it's still all hand guided work.
She'd probably laugh me out of the room if I told her that some of her carvings were "machine carved" just because she used a Dremel tool on them.
So by your definition, I guess your bows would be machine made (not hand crafted), since you probably use a few power tools to make them. :^)
Sorry, just picking on you a little. :^)
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
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From: Gaur
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Date: 26-Dec-14 |
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I've done some carving so I think they are pretty sweet. No I wouldn't drop $5k on on personally but I appreciate the art.
The wolves persuading the elk bow was cool and the vertical bull elk in the walnut I liked.
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From: ProAlpine
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Date: 26-Dec-14 |
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To each unto their own!
I think it's important to have the high end, if for nothing else to define the market and display what can be done. I love the looks of Ferarris! Is it practical for me to own one where it snows 8 months out of the year? Could I ever dream of affording one? Heck no! But do I appreciate them? Oh yeah!
BTW - there are very few bowers out there that do not use machines to make a bow. I would still consider them hand made... let's not be silly.
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From: Sixby
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Date: 27-Dec-14 |
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I'm convinced that I'm wrong if a human is manipulating the machine and controlling the cutter head. That really is not much different than carving tools. I thought this machine to be much more than a Dremel tool but probably wrong about that too. Heck I still do my carving with a Chainsaw compared to what this guy does. I guess I need to research those machines so I can do some of the burr carving and metal carving I want to do anyway. Thanks for enlightening me and I retract what I said about that not being hand carving.
God bless and you all have a great New Year, Steve
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From: arrowflight
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Date: 27-Dec-14 |
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I view the Legacy series as pure art. Yes they are expensive, but so is a good set of golf clubs. I congratulate Norm and the Blacktail bow company for really raising the bar in our sport, it can only be a good thing for all us traditional archers. Not only does it give us more choice, but also showcases what is possible when a company like Blacktail is willing to think outside the square. The artwork and attention to detail is nothing short of world class. My pick of the bunch was the vertical stag like Gaur, but I also like the fighting bears. Would I hunt with one of these beauties? I'd be too scared of scratching it. But good luck to anyone with a fat enough wallet who is willing to do so. It would be embarrassing missing a target holding one of these beauties in your hand during a 3-D round...
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From: MikeW
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Date: 24-Jan-15 |
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TTT
If you hit the lottery would you buy one of these bows?
I think I would...it would be shot in the backyard and then hung over the mantel.
Still not a hunting tool in my opinion but is in reality,just a pretty one.
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From: GLF
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Date: 24-Jan-15 |
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Sorry I didn't answer the original question. I'd leave it at the makers shop. Oh and to me hand carved means just that. Kinda like buying a 50k or higher priced perrazi shotgun. The art work is just that, hand done art work. A handed painted portrait isn't done on a computer and printer and neither is hand carving done with power tools.
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From: arrowflight
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Date: 12-May-15 |
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This was the above picture before completion! Looks awesome.
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From: Iktomi
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Date: 12-May-15 |
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I appreciate the craftsmanship but it just isn't my style.
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From: TrapperKayak
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Date: 12-May-15 |
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May be a novice observation/question, but how is it that the lamination does not show through to the bird/dog/vegetation? Was that an additional layer of dark walnut glued over the face of the riser and then carved out? Just wondering, it is nice work no matter what.
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From: redheadlvr
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Date: 12-May-15 |
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Too much for my blood but gorgeous nonetheless. If I were rich enough I'd own one and shoot it out on a well manicured lawn course. Has anyone looked at the arrows that are available as a side dish with one of these bows?
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From: Jim Casto Jr
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Date: 12-May-15 |
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I admire the talent,craftsmanship and ability of the bowyer. I'll also admire the purchaser who has earned the capability and has the desire and wherewithal to own it. I guess all I can say is... God Bless America!
If I was THAT buyer, I'd hunt it. :^)
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From: Burnsie
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Date: 12-May-15 |
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If I could afford it, I'd hunt it.
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From: TrapperKayak
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Date: 12-May-15 |
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BTW, my question was regarding arrowflight's posts. Thanks.
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From: raptor45
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Date: 12-May-15 |
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A bit too ostentatious for me. My friends would look at me, shake their heads and talk about me for weeks if I showed up with something like that.
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From: Cash77
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Date: 12-May-15 |
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A case of "More money than brains" in order for that bow to sell. Guess I am just a simple man. I admire the work that went into it though.
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From: arrowflight
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Date: 12-May-15 |
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Hey TrapperKayak, I'm actually not too sure how that is done. I am guessing that the walnut has been glued over the top, but that is purely a guess at best. Yeah I have seen the arrows that are available with the Legacy series-not cheap at $100 an arrow:) "More money than brains" not sure I agree with that one:)
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