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Bullets on arrows ?????

Messages posted to thread:
arrowchucker 23-Nov-14
MDW 23-Nov-14
deerhunt51 23-Nov-14
fdp 23-Nov-14
Ranger 23-Nov-14
LBshooter 23-Nov-14
Smithhammer 23-Nov-14
Stykman 23-Nov-14
Onehair 23-Nov-14
LBshooter 23-Nov-14
CMF_3 23-Nov-14
dire wolf 23-Nov-14
S. North 23-Nov-14
mangonboat 23-Nov-14
Quiet Man 23-Nov-14
George D. Stout 23-Nov-14
SCATTERSHOT 23-Nov-14
dire wolf 23-Nov-14
redheadlvr 23-Nov-14
Osr144 23-Nov-14
kenwilliams 23-Nov-14
Whittler 23-Nov-14
Jim Davis 23-Nov-14
Osr144 23-Nov-14
Jim Davis 24-Nov-14
Jim Moore 24-Nov-14
Yunwiya 24-Nov-14
GF 24-Nov-14
JLBSparks 24-Nov-14
Osr144 24-Nov-14
Osr144 24-Nov-14
Osr144 24-Nov-14
GF 24-Nov-14
Osr144 24-Nov-14
Jim Davis 24-Nov-14
Frank V 24-Nov-14
From: arrowchucker
Date: 23-Nov-14




What are they thinking? I just seen for sale a screw-in bullet adapter for arrows!!! Choice of 38/357 mag or 22mag. Claims to fire on impact comes with a 450 grain practice point. Single use $39.95 for 6. OMG!!!!

From: MDW
Date: 23-Nov-14




Anything to get you to part with your money.

Had a friend shoot one at a sheet of plywood. The explosion tore off two layers of the wood and completely destroyed the plastic head.

The video shows a hog dropping in it's tracks, but personally can't see this being any good except maybe a head shot.

From: deerhunt51
Date: 23-Nov-14




They don't work anyway, check youtube.

From: fdp
Date: 23-Nov-14




Not really a new concept. There were arrows equipped as "bang sticks" in the '60's.

From: Ranger
Date: 23-Nov-14




Pass.....

From: LBshooter
Date: 23-Nov-14




I don't see any trad person,wasting their money on such a product but the tech guys will be all over it.

From: Smithhammer
Date: 23-Nov-14




Thanksfully, any type of exploding head is illegal for hunting in Idaho, and I hope most other states too.

From: Stykman
Date: 23-Nov-14




Don't waste your money. A friend bought six. Took them with his uncle, a butcher, to kill a couple of steers. Long story real short, they were an absolute disaster. One didn't even detonate and the others, shall I say, didn't come close to being effective. Still see them advertised though.

From: Onehair
Date: 23-Nov-14




I rigged some aluminum shafts with black powder and a shot gun primer years ago. Got rid of a bunch of old shafts and made some noise. No damage to anything but the arrow. I can't imagine it being usable or legal

From: LBshooter
Date: 23-Nov-14




Yea, there is nothing for the powder to burn and generate any velocity so it just a bang. The maker probably figures there is enough idiots out there who want to be like the duke brothers lol"

From: CMF_3
Date: 23-Nov-14




This has come up on LW before. They are a worthless toy. Check out the YouTube review.

From: dire wolf
Date: 23-Nov-14




Aside from being slightly illegal and certainly 'non traditional'.. Rimfire or centerfire cartridges..WORK in firearms because the firing pin striking the primer( or rimfire) .. ignites the powder in the case which is fitted in the firearm's chamber--a very confined space ...and propels the bullet down the barrle and away..

Toss live ammo into a fire and they make noise but nothing like when they are fired from a firearm..

NOW, .38 or .357 spent cartridge cases do make a decent make do point for wood arrows for stumping..:)Jim

From: S. North Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 23-Nov-14




Crap if u have to or need to use ammo just use a gun

From: mangonboat
Date: 23-Nov-14




This reminds me of a DNR warden in the late 60's who had a confiscated 12 ga. break-open single shot that the barrel had been cut off at 16". The owner was shooting shells with the pellets dumped out and replaced with the nock end of a 12" arrow with a 3 blade broadhead filed to just fit in the barrel...to kill deer during bow season. The game warden demonstrated by shooting an arrow clean through the pine plank door of an outhouse.

From: Quiet Man
Date: 23-Nov-14




Anything for the lazy hunter will sell. It's legal in SC outside of archery season. You used to be able to buy arrow adapters for 12 ga shotguns too.

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 23-Nov-14




Well, they really don't sell that much, so it's nothing to be concerned about. Good heavens there have been all kinds of nonsense over the decades by people trying to make a buck, and nearly all of them fade away in short order. As dire wolf said, they really can't be very effective as a bullet since they can go any which-way once the primer is set off.

From: SCATTERSHOT
Date: 23-Nov-14




Anyone who thinks they need this kind of crap for hunting shouldn't be hunting at all.

From: dire wolf
Date: 23-Nov-14




I think Rambo used a compound bow with some sort of explosive device in one his movies.. But that was hollywierd stuff..:)

From: redheadlvr
Date: 23-Nov-14




Yes as PT Barnum once said "there's a suckered born every minute". And another quote that will fit this marketing junk:"a fool and his money shall soon part". Just another money pit for a compound shooter to fall into.

From: Osr144 Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 23-Nov-14

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I once read that people used 9.5 mm cupro nickle bullet jackets for arrow heads.Out of curosiry I once made a field type point from a 5.66 mm cartrige case by cutting off the rimless end and inserted a steel point in the neck area.Currently some of my blunts are 45/70 govt cartrige case ends cut to 3/ 4".As for arrow heads that take .22 mags or 38/357 s in my opinion have no place in real traditional archery.

From: kenwilliams
Date: 23-Nov-14




What Jim said

From: Whittler
Date: 23-Nov-14




They might as well shoot a gun.

From: Jim Davis
Date: 23-Nov-14

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following up what osr144 said....

From: Osr144 Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 23-Nov-14




Very interesting Jim . I read about the 9.5 mm jackets in an old english archery book I borrowed from a library when I was a kid.Never realised Remington actually marketed some directly at archers. Cool. Excuse my typo in the last post (should have been 5.56 mm ) After my sucess using 45/70 cartrige cases I am looking at high base 12 ga shot gun shells for larger small game blunts. OSR

From: Jim Davis
Date: 24-Nov-14




Apparently, Remington was not quite over the fence into the archery world, or the box would have contained 24 points instead of 25 like shot shells. :)

From: Jim Moore
Date: 24-Nov-14




Been using .357 brass for blunts for years. Hell on rabbits and small game. Withstand a hell of a bunch of punishment.

Friend of mine, back when we were teenage dumb-asses, glued a bb on the primer of a shotgun shell, taped to the end of an arrow and shot it up in air. We scattered like quail when it was a bit too straight up. Sometimes you wonder how you lived to be as old as you are....LOL.

From: Yunwiya
Date: 24-Nov-14




Crossbow boys will love 'em

From: GF
Date: 24-Nov-14




" I think they might be kind of fun if used safely. "

Just trying to figure out how you might actually DO that.... Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen!

OSR - how do you get a an arrow to fill up a .45/70 case??

And.. Just curious - what do those "arrow tip" rounds look like outside of the box?

From: JLBSparks
Date: 24-Nov-14




IIRC, Rambo's "exploding" broadhead was actually a Ti Ni coated step-drill.

-Joe

From: Osr144 Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 24-Nov-14

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GF I fill up 45/70 cases using specially made footings.I shape these using a round bottom spoke shave and the rest is done with a block plane.Once shapeing and sanding is done I turn the end to accomodate the 45/70 case end.Here is some more pictures.

From: Osr144 Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 24-Nov-14

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The shaft tapers off fairly quickly down to 11/32".

From: Osr144 Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 24-Nov-14

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Here is the bottom of that spoke shave.It makes quick work of that flaired end on the footing piece.

From: GF
Date: 24-Nov-14




Slick!Love the look of footed shafts, and they make extra sense for stumpin' arrahs with blunts like that... at least from a durability standpoint....

Though I think I'd be reluctant to carve up too much brass... seems to be going at a premium these days. But maybe if I check in with a guy I know who reloads a lot for handguns... He must have some brass around which has reached the end of its reliable service life....

Had a guy here who was going to work a trade with me for some .45/70 brass... and then the PMs hit 30 days and danged if I can remember his handle!

Hmmmmm... Not a lot of takers for my 7-08 brass, though...

From: Osr144 Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 24-Nov-14




GF 44 mags would work OK. I don't shoot fire arms any more due to partial loss of sight in my right eye.I have thousands of empty brass cases left over from my gun shooting days of various calibres.I don't shoot 5/16" shafts but I have got at least 5000 30 cal M1 carbine cases good for blunts on smaller diameter 5/16" shafts.I did own 2 select fire M2 carbines.I used to have fun brassing up targets with my auto s.Thank God I am left handed with archery. Archery is cheaper than trying to run a stable of machine guns. OSR

From: Jim Davis
Date: 24-Nov-14




GF, I can't show you what those Remington arrow points look like because I just grabbed that photo off ebay some time ago.

My understanding is that they were spitzer type jackets.

Jim

From: Frank V
Date: 24-Nov-14




Illegal here too & I'm glad.

I do use empty .357mag cases with enough lead shot in them to bring them to 145grs to make a pretty good blunt!





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