From: RS1983
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Date: 22-Nov-14 |
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I've been reading the forum for a while and this is my first post so let me introduce myself. My name is Ryan and I'm trying to make the jump from shooting compound to traditional archery. I've been trying to find my form and want to give three under a shot. When I try shooting this way my windage problems disappear but I notice that when I shoot out to 20 yards my arrows hit really low into the dirt. This happens even when I aim point on(trying to gap shoot). Is this a common problem and is there anything I can do to increase the gap at his distance. The bow is a 45 lb bear grizzly. Center of my nock is 7/8 above the rest. Thank you.
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From: George D. Stout
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Date: 22-Nov-14 |
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How high are you anchoring? Lots of folks easily get out to 40 or more yards. You may need to lower that anchor to accommodate a longer point-on.
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From: Barber
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Date: 22-Nov-14 |
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Welcome Ryan. I shoot 3 under, when at full draw I but my middle finger at corner of my mouth. I practice out to 35 yards, if I shoot past that I switch to split finger. When I shoot split finger I always shoot high which is why I switch when shooting 40 yards more. 35 yards and below I'm dead on 3 under. I do not gap shoot. I just look at my target , bring bow to draw and shoot, I never look at arrow or anything else just were I want to hit.
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From: roger
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Date: 22-Nov-14 |
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Ryan, yes, this is a common issue. Anyone who gap shoots faces the same dilemma. From what you've said anyway, you just need to aim higher(which is a good thing for gappers) and trust it. Don't be afraid of missing. Sounds weird, but we all go through it. Measure your gaps. Start at ten yards and shoot to a mark in the middle of a large target. Pay attention to where the arrow point is relative to where your wanting to hit. That means placing the end of the arrow on a spot below the intended target and then measure the distance between that spot and where your arrow actually impacts.......then do the same at twenty yards.
At first you will have to actually aim your arrow. Think of it this way, with your compound and just one fixed pin sight you must aim below short range targets and above longer range targets to hit them. Gapping is the same premise, but you just don't have a sight pin, however, your arrow is the sight pin in this case. After time you will learn to focus on the target and the arrow will be relegated to your periphery vision and out of the focus, but you know where it's at.
The distance at which the end of your arrow is actually on the target is called "point on"; know and measure that as well. It is the ultimate reference relative to all other distances you shoot. Us gappers should be called "aimers" because that's what we're doing. As George alludes, you may well be anchoring too low, which can create large gaps which are unusable. Anchor higher for smaller gaps and you will shorten the learning curve.
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From: Lowcountry
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Date: 22-Nov-14 |
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Welcome to the site. Look up Jimmy Blackmon's posts on here and espescially his YouTube videos. He is a master at 3 under and Gap shooting. He has some great videos.
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From: Stickbow#1
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Date: 22-Nov-14 |
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What's up Ryan? Welcome! I sold my compound and made the switch this season and don't regret it one bit! It is so much more fun and challanging!! Stick with it and good luck! I like shooting instinctive but I second what lowcountry said about Jimmy Blackman for gap
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From: RS1983
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Date: 22-Nov-14 |
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Thanks for all the replies. I anchor with my middle finger on my eye tooth. I just couldn't figure out why at that yardage I would have to cover the target entirely with the arrow. Most of the people who post on here discretion their point on range of being 35 yards or so.
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From: SB
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Date: 23-Nov-14 |
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A longer or heavier arrow will require less "hold under ".
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From: Slayer
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Date: 23-Nov-14 |
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Ryan,
Welcome to traditional archery, hope you stick with the journey and enjoy it. It truly will change you.
I've shot 3 under for 10 year or so and here are a few tips - I've found, that for me, I have to nock very high - close to an inch to the top of the nock. (I also shoot 250 - 300 grain broadheads so that may have something to do with it).
Depending on your arrow length, and the weight of the arrow in relation to bow weight, your point of aim will vary - for me it's about 32 yards shooting a 67 pound bow with a 30" 710 grain arrow that, with broadhead, sticks out about 3" from the front of the bow. If your arrow sticks out 4 - 6 inches in front of your bow it will affect your point of aim.
For me, I find that I shoot better if I don't consciously estimate a gap. I believe all instinctive shooters take the "gap" into consideration, at least sub consciously, but I shoot best when I concentrate at the spot I want to hit, "check" the gap to see if I'm under the point I want to hit for close shots, or over for long shots, then switch my focus back to the spot I want to hit, and concentrate on a good release. If you try too hard to gap shoot, you have to concern yourself with distance to the yard, maybe carry a rangefinder, and pretty soon you're kind of moving away from the simplicity of trad archery.
All that said, do what works best for you and makes you the deadliest shot on game.
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From: GLF
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Date: 23-Nov-14 |
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For a quick fix a shorter arrow will raise your point on a little. But I've found if you just keep shooting 3 under your computer in your head will fix it within no time at all. Then you'll shoot high when trying split,lol. Btw, welcome.
I shoot split with longer bows unless I do something stupid like burn between my fingers with a cig,lol. Then I have to shoot 3under. I also shoot 3under with shorter bows due to my long draw and painful finger pinch.
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From: Onehair
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Date: 23-Nov-14 |
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First make sure your bow is tuned to shoot 3 under and your arrows are flying properly. Then take all of the above advice. Welcome,
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From: Morgan
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Date: 23-Nov-14 |
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I also just started shooting three under after 26 years shooting split, the reason, no matter what I shot left could not get the arrow under my eye well enough, three under allows me to do this, I never gap and anchor with my top finger in the corner of my mouth, I believe if you just shoot enough arrows at close range say 10 yards and slowly work your self back you will learn the feel without needing the gap, buy the way my first attempts put my arrows 2foot low so i had to relearn my feel. I get get arrow flight, quite bow, and never shoot left again. I can,t believe it took me 26 years to figure it out though!!! Best of luck, Rich
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From: Quiet Man
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Date: 25-Nov-14 |
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Seems your nocking point is a bit high, bringing it down will raise the impact point, your can vary impact by changing from middle finger to index finger as an anchor point. Lower the arrow weight if possible to come up some.
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