I would like to collect information relating to bows made by Harry Drake. For example, length, weight, number of laminations and any markings. (And any additional info you would like to add)

I'll start.

I have a 70" Firedrake Champion. It is marked, in pencil on the handle, 50@31" 5'-10" x10. If the handle was covered in leather, these marks would be hidden. It has at least 14 laminations. The tips are made of Micarta, and are laminated at least 14 times as well. 2761 is stamped opposite the arrow shelf.

Mine was previously owned and used by Rube Powell, 5 time National Freestyle Champion. He used Drake bows to win 4 of those titles. Harry Drake supplied bows to him on a regular basis.

My goal is to see if this bow might be unique in any way, being made for Rube Powell.

I would like to collect information relating to bows made by Harry Drake. For example, length, weight, number of laminations and any markings. (And any additional info you would like to add)

I'll start.

I have a 70" Firedrake Champion. It is marked, in pencil on the handle, 50@31" 5'-10" x10. If the handle was covered in leather, these marks would be hidden. It has at least 14 laminations. The tips are made of Micarta, and are laminated at least 14 times as well. 2761 is stamped opposite the arrow shelf.

Mine was previously owned and used by Rube Powell, 5 time National Freestyle Champion. He used Drake bows to win 4 of those titles. Harry Drake supplied bows to him on a regular basis.

My goal is to see if this bow might be unique in any way, being made for Rube Powell.

If your bow doesn't have holes drilled for a bow sight, it probably was not used as a shooter for Rube.

Mine is #7749 and is widely known as the Holy Grail of Bows. Hunter-Flite, 54" long. 45 pounds at 28". Likely built early 60s. Shoots great at a 7.5" brace height.

Joe

Fred,

It has holes in the style of a Merril sight. The gentleman that gave it to me first saw it hanging in Rube's garage around 1962.

Thanks Joe,

Yours has the same colored glass as mine, but the tips are very different.

I'm waiting for Ryman to chime in with his vast collections of Drakes.

Tom Baldwin is your guy. He has the big Drake collection.

Joe

Thanks Joe

I'm thinking someone marked that bow because they stamped them not marked. I have a couple marked the stampings were covered over on mine. I really don't know the technical stuff on Drakes maybe I should learn it?

I have another friend who tells me about Toms collection its something else he says.

Nah, Tom used to have some nice Drakes, but I heard some guy on a bike swiped a bunch of them this fall... heheh.

50#@28" drake hunter flight 54". I think it's a year or two older than friskys this different riser profile

Heres my newest a beautiful bow thats been redone all glossed up.

Heres a sweet one thats been redone.

Frisky,

I'm feeling more than a bit of LUST for your Hunter Flight!

I'm trying to get some more background info on the bow I have pictured here (Colt Hi-Power). Anybody here know if Harry Drake had anything to do with designing the Colt Hi-Power or the Browning Explorer-1?

Thanks! CR

Maybe the experts will chime in on this one. Harry might have had a hand in designing the Explorer I. I thought Ben Pearson made the Colt Hi-Power?

Joe

Hi Jaz, Here are two more for the data base; an older Firedrake, and a real oddity-- a 62" Drake in Hunter-Flight styling. Serial numbers are 26xx and 75xx (I'll PM you more info). I'd bet money the shorter bow was made not long before he sold to FASCO/Seattle Archery, sometime in 1962?

A look at the other sides...this gives a good idea of the difference between late 50's designs and early 60's; not just at Drake but in the premium bows everywhere.

Here's the sight window on the FireDrake; just like yours I think, with purpleheart and walnut as the main woods, and maple and rosewood lams? And talk about a scene stealer... look who's striking a pose in the background!

Another good way to age your Drakes... most that I've seen have been of the older style, with the umpteen layers of micarta. Frisky's and my Hunter-Flights have the simpler black-and-white overlays... not sure if they are micarta, fiberglass, or something else.

I don't think Drake made very many like this one... because in addition to being an odd length (62"), it's also heavier (60#) than most of the Drake bows. I've been flight testing it lately... and every night I come in with muddy feet and a big grin. I'm consider declaring war on a neighboring island here in Penobscot Bay, just because with this bow I'm sure I can reach them!

I have a pair of Hunter Flight,both 50#

Here's a Hunter-Flight that I once had... for some reason I never took a picture of its serial number, like a dummy. Still, I would guess it's one of the later dates of manufacture; '61 or '62, based on the styling of the riser and the tips.

The tips... just like Frisky's, and just like the tips on my "new" 62" Hunter-Flight.

I rechecked my serial number and its 6133 and the tips are like yours crookedstik

I'm getting a sinking feeling that Frisky's bow, with a 7749 serial number, may be one of the very last ones ever made in Lakeside, just before Harry Drake sold his hunting bow division to FASCO.

Of course, that would explain the goofy look to it-- Harry and Mart were probably just cleaning out any wood scraps and odd pieces of fiberglass still left in the shop, and cobbled together a bow from it all.

Nonetheless, I hope someone can find a Drake with a higher serial number... we're all in for it if Frisky thinks he holds the Last of the Line.

This is Firedrake # 2027 taken 10 minutes ago. 20 metres with 1816's. 66" and 45# at 28".

I guess that one's a shooter, Peter!

Here's a bow from perhaps 1961? The riser has gained a bit of mass, and the tip overlays are the simpler black-and-white style.

The serial number makes sense for 1960 or 1961, if all the Drakes are sequential... and I'm starting to think they are!

My Grail, the best for last, has dark blue and white tip overlays. Not the cheap black ones found on other Drakes. I think FASCO took over in late 63', early 64'. Fred can say for sure. In fact, the date is in one of his books.

Joe

Here's another look at #5719, a 40# and 68" specimen... you can see the newer style tip overlays on it.

Now we're started to get some info!

I'll get with you gents asap to. I have a Red glass hunter flight wanted redone in the worst way because of the red glass but the guy that has done some recently thought it was to bad to redo. She's purty ruff.

Cats back later.LOL

Did I say I love drakes too.LOL

Think I have 5 now last I counted them.LOL

It sure is a shooter! Took a little while to fine tune the brace...quite touchy but once I got there it quieted down and was very accurate.

I'll count the lams tomorrow and publish a couple more pics.

Skookum thought it was a 1953...fits with the serial number. Peter

Not the alter the subject, but does anyone have one of Ed Holcomb's reproductions of this bow? I was thinking of ordering one at some point. Ed sent me pictures of the repo's and they are really something.

That new one is a beauty Kerry! Very unique with the riser lam configuration...I imagine it flings an arrow some distance! Pete

Here's the number...need a clearer picture of the top of the riser as the wood detailing in unique.

I am another who's lucky enough to have one from Tom, I will have to see what the serial# is,looks like the 61? above.

I just did a bit more digging... this bow that I showed above had a 78xx serial number. It has that "double rainbow" riser like so many of the Drakes do... I wonder when those first started showing up?

So that one is the last of them! Interesting, as it has the 50s style grip.

Joe

In an older thread (2013) I found this picture posted by Warberg, with a serial number of "6901 or 1069". He speculated that it was a 1963, and Skookum chimed in that he agreed with that date, because that's when the black and white tips started. So if a 6900 serial number is from '63, then the 7000's are probably even later. I also saw on an old Bowdoc posting that he believed Drake recycled on his numbers at some point... ouch, that hurts to think about! But so far in this thread everything sort of looks sequential, doesn't it?

Here's another bow from that thread, with a 4509 serial number...seems plausible for a late 50's-very early 60's bow? No tip pix on this one, sadly.

Flip side of the riser on #4509.

Here's the riser on mine...checked my records and Fred said it was a 1954, not a '53.

I like the lam arrangement above the sight window on the top of the riser...have not seen another like it.

I needed to get the brace to 7 3/4 before it quieted up and settled down.

Here's another shot...

So in terms of laminations I count seven in the riser and four in the limbs for a total of 11.

Here's one more borrowed from an old thread; a 69" Firedrake that is #47xx

That 69" is Beautifull!

Here's something I bet that you Drake lovers don't know: Drake and his bowyer, Mart Mathew, did most of the handle-riser shaping on a band-saw, whereas most everyone else used sanders.

Interesting. It probably sped up operations.

Joe

Here's what I have so far from this thread.

Nice work, Jim... I may have to buy a couple more just to keep this effort moving forward!

Ryman will soon chime in with his 5 Drakes. Also, I have an amendment to the notes. My overlays are dark blue and white, not black and white.

Joe

Just to add mood.

Mojostick I have two Holcomb-Drakes, and they are both gorgeous and shoot extremely well. I've had 7 Holcombs in all, and his work is superb.

As for the true Drakes, I've not heard of any substantiated facts about age, serial # sequence, etc. Skookum would know if anyone does. As a real fan of the FireDrakes, I'll tell you that some are much better shooters than others. (other than those damned Hunter Flights...they all suck, and that African Crapwood made the worst performing recurves in history!)

For some reason, I feel a little offended.

Joe

One thing to check would be the serial numbers on any of the "double rainbow" style Hunter-Flight risers. All of those bows look more modern to me, and all three shown so far in this thread have a S/N higher than 7500. Maybe Tom or Ryman Cat can compare theirs to this?

Likewise, can anyone find a Drake with "new-style" tip overlays (i.e. black-and-white, or deepest most gorgeous cerulean blue-and-white in Frisky's case) with a serial number lower than 5700? Based on the bows seen so far, it still seems plausible that they are all sequential. Bowdoc opined in an old thread that Drake cycled around at least once, but I haven't yet seen a bow that supports that. And of course we haven't seen very many yet.

Thanks Tom. One of those 62" versions Ed makes is on my list. Due to evidently chronic shoulder issues even post surgery, at least for shooting bows, I'm way down in the low 30's in weights. Likely that's my archery future, unless I opt for another "touch up" surgery. My rotator cuff "frays and splits length wise" as opposed to the conventional tear. Anyhow, I'm looking for the best option for deer hunting bows in the low 30's and Ed has me talked into his Fire Drake reproduction, because he and others believe there isn't a more "efficient" bow, for lack of a better term. Meaning, if I shoot only 30lbs and keep shots 10-12 yards and under, it will be hard to find a better bow for milking speed/energy from such a light draw. From what I've read, others seem to agree. And please save any ethics comments about such a low weight. This is a Drake thread. I realize how low it is. I've been bow hunting since 1978 and between bows and guns, I've killed literally hundreds of deer to where I've lost count years ago. I'm extremely picky about shot selection and haven't lost a deer yet, when hunting with these borderline low weight bows. Thx.

Frisky Joe: haven't you heard about the recent translation of a Dead Sea Scroll? "And The Lord sent down a message: For God's sake, Noah, don't build it out of that worthless African Crapwood!"

Bob, there was a Holcomb for sale a couple over on the other forum a couple of weeks ago. It was 30@24, so maybe heavier than you want. But it is a gorgeous bow and very reasonably priced.

I'd be interested in a longer Drake, at least 62" and lower 40's poundage if anyone has one to part with?

Here's my 66" Firedrake, serial number 3190. Bow stats in pencil on the riser, where the leather grip should be. The bow was refinished before I got it, and a nicely done. It came from the estate of John D. Gerber, late of Florida.

The nominal draw weight is 47# but I haven't checked it. It's a very nice, quiet shooter. Mr. Gerber had it well dialed in.

The riser has a dozen or so lams, with a contrasting I-beam center.

The tiny tips have 30 layers of micarta.

Dave, Except for the missing leather grip, yours looks almost EXACTLY the same as the one pictured in the ad above that Jaz posted... and I think that ad says 1957 on the bottom of it.

The wood combinations in that ad are also very similar to Pdiddly's bow... but I think Peter's is a tad more slender? I wish I had the ad in higher resolution...maybe jaz has the actual ad and will weigh in.

Woven green glass on the back, reddish brown on the belly.

I need to get a Firedrake!

You do Joe...then your life will be fulfilled!

That bow of Dave's looks exactly like mine indeed and the pencil lettering is in the same hand and location as it is on mine.

It's looking more and more like the numbers are sequential. Would be nice to see some that are older than mine.

I also hope Tom might elaborate on what made some Firedrake's faster than others...was it a tangible element or something subtle that could not be seen?

David, that is one lovely Drake. The glass colors, tip overlays, and riser layup is very typical of his Firedrakes from that era. I'm sure it has wedges and may have wedges on the front or back at the fadeouts. Nice Bow!

Peter, I don't know what made some better performers than others. Likely some of it is the same as it is with any other bowyer. The worst of them make a real good bow sometimes and the best of them put together a dawg, now and then! And, somewhere, somebody is killing game and winning trophies that "dawg"

Mr. Skookum or Larry H. would be the only ones who could answer that question, and I suspect they'd have to be looking at the bows in question. I do know that Drake/Mathews constantly changed and experimented with configurations and so I doubt they ever came up with one formula for the speediest shooter. And if Harry, who's flight dominance should have made him the best on the planet for coming up with the most cast, continued to try different configurations, then I doubt that he ever settled on a "best" design.

I do know some of my favorite Firedrakes were built with the earlier materials, so later is not necessarily better. That's why I kind of dismissed this thread about serial number indicating a year. Maybe it WAS sequential but I don't think that means anything. Catalogs and advertisements are how we learned to date Bears, Wings, Widows, etc. Well, good luck finding ONE Drake ad, let alone different ones to use for identification!

I've been trying to get all my Drakes in front of Skookum so I could record his comments on each one. Hoping he will be at the Moses Lake Rock Shoot next weekend, as I'll be bringing these bows along.

If this forum were easier to use in posting multiple photos, I'd be more interested in showing the details on some of mine. One photo/post makes it pretty time consuming. Maybe I can get off my butt and do one every few days....

David, that is one lovely Drake. The glass colors, tip overlays, and riser layup is very typical of his Firedrakes from that era. I'm sure it has wedges and may have wedges on the front or back at the fadeouts. Nice Bow!

Peter, I don't know what made some better performers than others. Likely some of it is the same as it is with any other bowyer. The worst of them make a real good bow sometimes and the best of them put together a dawg, now and then! And, somewhere, somebody is killing game and winning trophies that "dawg"

Mr. Skookum or Larry H. would be the only ones who could answer that question, and I suspect they'd have to be looking at the bows in question. I do know that Drake/Mathews constantly changed and experimented with configurations and so I doubt they ever came up with one formula for the speediest shooter. And if Harry, who's flight dominance should have made him the best on the planet for coming up with the most cast, continued to try different configurations, then I doubt that he ever settled on a "best" design.

I do know some of my favorite Firedrakes were built with the earlier materials, so later is not necessarily better. That's why I kind of dismissed this thread about serial number indicating a year. Maybe it WAS sequential but I don't think that means anything. Catalogs and advertisements are how we learned to date Bears, Wings, Widows, etc. Well, good luck finding ONE Drake ad, let alone different ones to use for identification!

I've been trying to get all my Drakes in front of Skookum so I could record his comments on each one. Hoping he will be at the Moses Lake Rock Shoot next weekend, as I'll be bringing these bows along.

If this forum were easier to use in posting multiple photos, I'd be more interested in showing the details on some of mine. One photo/post makes it pretty time consuming. Maybe I can get off my butt and do one every few days....

More thoughts. Firedrakes are surely not speed burners. The shorter risers and longer, narrower limbs/tips make them very sweet shooters. I love the look. Compare the elegant look with the very earliest Black Widows, Wings and 50s Bears, and it's the same feeling. But, compare with a late-60s RW Hunter or Bear -those designs evolved to something I no longer care for.

I think the 62" Firedrake and the Hunter Flights must have been attempts to build some sales in the later years. Those bows seldom have tip or handle wedges. I think the 62" bow was designed to compete for sales with the late 50s Bears and Widow TFs. Just look at the profiles. And the Hunter Flight was obviously intended to offer higher poundages and-maybe-speed.( than the classic Firedrakes.) Nearly all Firedrakes are 66-72" long, in mid-high 40s weights. There are a few 64" ones, but they're even rarer than 62". I've only seen or heard of a very few over 49#. My fastest shooter is a 66", 50 pounder, for whatever that's worth.

Frisky, I, too, thought I needed a "Firedrake" and in 1954 I bought one. I used different "Firedrakes" up until 1961 when I bought a Groves "Spitfire". Never wanted to shoot a Drake after that!

Harry Drake and Mart Mathew were bow building wonders—they had orders coming out their ears, and they slaved away cranking bows out as fast as they could slap them together! Harry's father, Lowell, thankfully keep some of the pressure off by taking care of the paperwork and promotions. Mart (who was a very fine shooter) once complained to me that all Harry wanted to do was to play around with his flight bows, thus leaving Mart to do the lion's share of shop work.

Also, in my opinion, the best shooting Drake target bow was the "Shark" model; it had a reverse "oriental" riser — I wonder if anyone has one of those.

Skookum- A 56", one-piece Groves is very high on my list of hunting bows.

Joe

Great info!

I too would like to get a better copy of that advertisement so I can see the bow in greater detail.

They are smooth bows but I was quite impressed with the speed and the penetration for 45#.

Fred mentioned mine had "Bear glass." What is the significance of that? I thought Gordon produced the glass...

Pete

Peter, here's a better photo of the pencil writing on the riser.

Those wedges or tapers at the fadeouts that Tom mentioned are quite amazing to me; just for the level of detail and craftsmanship required to make them a part of the bow. It's about a 27" long strip of maple; not even 1/16" at its thickest point and tapering down to nothing at the fadeouts. Both of my Drakes have them on the back of the riser.

What a time consuming thing to manufacture a little sliver of wood to those tolerances... and yet the prices on both FireDrakes ($75) and Hunter-Flights ($69.50) remained unchanged from at least 1957 to 1961, from the ads we've seen in this and in Frisky's thread back in February.

Looking forward to seeing the Drake collection. Harry Drake was a big influence to many Traditional Archers in his time. I think the Drake bow would be an exceptional duck hunting bow. haha no pun intended. Cur Dog Gary Sentman

Dave: The pencil writing on my riser is very faint and shows up only when held in the light a certain way...the process of removing the grip glue negatively affected it. A picture would reveal very little.

It is in the exact same location and identical to yours except instead of the bow length being expressed in inches it was written as feet and inches so 5'-6".

The draw weight location and layout was the same and the writing was clearly done by the same person.

Mine has the wedges at the fades like Kerry's picture illustrated and they're the same length. There are also small tapers of darker wood at the very end of the fades to smooth out the transition and fill voids.

The amount of detail, including the multiple layers of micarta in the tips, and attendant labour that went into the manufacture of one of these is truly amazing.

Finally, the glass on your bow looks identical to mine except for the colour...I have very minor short checks in mine that are just under the surface and horizontal but do not go all the way across the bow like normal stress cracking...they have not grown and quite insignificant.

Moosejaw- LOL!

My Hunter-Flight has no fadeout wedges. I assume the shorter bow is stiff enough without them. Of course, mine has the now famous birdseye maple riser wedge.

Joe

There's your $5.50 price difference right there, Frisky-- you're one wedge short of a full bow, LOL!

The sad thing is you know I got a superior bow in every way. It's killing you! You can't handle it!

Joe

actually, i have access to the best drake ever built. it pulls 55.1# at regular flight bow arrow length and is a sister to the one that shot an arrow 1072 yds, 2ft., 6 inches. a clone of that bow made in normal riser configuration will be in my hand this fall at wendover. bring on your best and be humbled! also have don browns bow that he shot 1336 yds plus in unlimited class. only problem is, it's 137# and i can not pull it!

Take THAT Frisky.......way to go Larry

:-)

Ouch...that sounds like a challenge Joe!!

137#!! I'm built pretty strong where the strain comes but that's way out of my league!! My heaviest bow is 70# and that's within my capabilities but not much more.

Anyways, Davidross and I exchanged PM's this evening as I was curious what the BH was on his Firedrake.

I had explained that my starting point was with the string just leaving the limb grooves and that translated into 6 3/4" brace to the deepest part of the grip. The bow was noisy with some wrist slap at that setting so I quickly moved it up a fair amount to avoid stressing the limbs.

It was quite a bit better but I kept increasing and the bow changed noticeably and hit the groove at 7 5/8". I went a bit over with no improvement and back down to that setting.

At that point about 1" of the top limb groove is revealed and almost none of the bottom and the tiller is dead on.

That is the exact same setting that davidross has on his! As he said above the prior owner Mr. Gerber "...had it well dialed in."

The limb groove reveal is also identical on both bows so the bowyer filed the grooves to a set length. It shows that using the limb groove method for initial BH setting can be misleading.

This would indicate to me that lam and wedge thickness were pretty consistent as was quality control on glue up.

Distance to the back of the sight window is 6 7/8". The riser depth across the shelf is a hair over 2 1/4" to provide an answer to crookedstix' question if my bow is slimmer than the one in the ad.

I was quite impressed with the similarities.

Moosejaw Gary Sentman- I'll have mine at Moses Lake this weekend. Looking forward to seeing you there.

A couple of more to add to the list; Thanks to Michael Gouloff for supplying these. First, an earlier Hunter-Flight; #3384...

Here are the specs on HF #3384...

And here's one that I sold Michael; I thought it was a 78XX serial number, but Michael's pictures are better and show it to be 7098... so it was probably made before Frisky's... as I said, they were probably cleaning up shop scraps by the time they made his.

Another look at #7098... Now, if Ryman Cat will just send us some pix of his harem we'll keep this going!

RymanCat better get his act together and show us his Drakes! Looks like my Holy Grail still might be the last Hunter-Flight ever made. He saved the best for last!

Joe

Sorry boys having more issues lately not enough energy to lay them out and picture all them yet. Just do like others do.

TTT oh my bad that's if you want to move the add up for sale. That brings me to that may shortly a few go up on the block and some one else can enjoy them.

ttt

Time to add a couple of recent acquisitions to the Drake Register.

First up is a 69" Firedrake 48# @28".

Serial number is 3184.

Unidirectional black glass on the face and cream white on the belly. I redid the back glass but left the belly as it was fine. Riser was great shape. Micarta tips.

Two lams, tip wedges and wedges in the fades. Beautiful darker red wood.

The whole bow...

Specs on the riser...photos are flipping 90 degrees...grrrr!

Riser detail and serial number...

Last one of the riser...

Try again with the first picture...

Next is a 66" Firedrake 49# @28".

Serial number is 4784.

Unidirectional green glass on the face and black on the belly.

Not refinished as it was in decent shape...micarta tips like the last one.

Try again...don't know why they flip...annoying.

Try again...don't know why they flip...annoying.

Riser detail

Other side...

Here's the green glass..not the earlier Bear glass...much more substance to this...likely Gordon.

Think I have the picture issue fixed...try one of the riser...

Better pic of the 69" black glass...

I think the riser is purpleheart...

Here is a 69" Firedrake Champion of unknown draw weight because it needs a repair before I can place it on a scale and it is not marked.

Serial: 6503

Little fuzzy on the tip picture....sorry.

Here is an update to the all the above.

If you have numbers for the missing info, please let me know.

Lets see if I can't make that better

CORRECTION

FIREDRAKE #2761 above is 70 inch - not 69 inch

Here are the specs of my Hunter Flight, 54", 40#, serial number 7974.

Look at that...my 69" Firedrake with the black and cream glass and purpleheart riser is 3184.

Dave Ross' 66" Firedrake with the green and orange glass and is 3190, six bows later.

They do not look alike at all!

Here is a picture of my Hunter Flight.

Pic of my Hunter Flight and specs:

54"

41# @ 28".

Serial Number 8105

Belly glass: Olive Green. Back glass: Teal

Refinished in 2015.

Jason, that is a STUNNING example!!

Lucky find!!

Jim...thanks for updating the chart...there must be more than that out there.

Twelve Firedrakes and 7 1/2 Hunter-Flites (guess who own's the half bow???

Tom Baldwin did a post with a bunch of his Drakes...I'll look that up and grab the numbers for you at some point.

Here's mine. 66" Firedrake 28#@ 28". Serial 6627. There are 16 laminations in the riser and wedges in tips plus Brown belly glass and Cream colored on Face of bow. Black and white tips. So what year do you think it is? Randy

Other side of riser.

Tips.

Hello I just picked up a Drake hunter flite serial #8675 58lbs.@28in. I assume this must be a Fasco era. There is no decal but there is a small rectangular raised area above the serial no. that looks like there may have been a tag. The bow is Rosewood and green glass.on both sides. The little I have shot it so far has been very positive. Hope this helps your survey. PS it is a 54 incher.

Kim Woodcock

Far out Kim! With that serial number, yours trumps mine as the newest in the registry.

Love to see pics of that rosewood riser with green glass! Any chance 'O that...?

J.

Yeah I will try to get some pictures up tomorrow.

Kim

Firedrake 66" 38 @ 28, green glass on back, red/brown on belly, tip wedges, overlays at tips are the multiple micarta lams. Purpleheart, Macassar ebony and maple. Kenny

If your Drake has stamped serial numbers, it was made by Drake; if it has written serial numbers, it was probably made by FASCO.

Drake pics. Hope this works

Tip

More

Specs

One more

Thanks Woody! She's a beaut! Must be a Fasco made with the written serial number like Fred says.

J.

Yeah that's what I thought. The tips only have the black not the built up. Tom Baldwin in one of his posts has one like that. His also has the rectangular foil logo. Mine has the spot for it but is missing.

Thanks Kim

Firedrake SN: 3981. No information feels like around 43-45 lbs. In need of sights.

SN: 3981

My new one.

Serial 5125

No stickers, silkscreens of labels left. I guess its a Firedrake that is 66" NTN when strung. It has a dozen lams in the riser and 29 or 30 layers of micarta on the tips. I have looked real close and there doesn't seem to be any other digits stamped into the riser and it looks like #602 to me.

Don-- THAT'S a beauty! I believe that is an early one indeed. I can't see any tip wedges or "Power Lams" as some call them.

What's the draw weight?

I do not have an actual bow scale but it just about bottoms out my 60lb Boca Grip at 28".

I gave my 69" 38#@28" Firedrake Champion it's first REAL leg stretch today at 60 yards.

Someone had dropped a bright orange pencil in front of the 60 yard butts and I decided it was worthy target for a Drake.

It took me 28 arrows but I did finally nick it!!

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