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Grip angle

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JusPassin 30-Oct-14
Jeff Durnell 30-Oct-14
JLBSparks 30-Oct-14
osr 144 30-Oct-14
osr 144 30-Oct-14
osr 144 30-Oct-14
osr 144 30-Oct-14
camodave 31-Oct-14
Buzz 31-Oct-14
overbo 31-Oct-14
George D. Stout 31-Oct-14
JusPassin 31-Oct-14
George D. Stout 31-Oct-14
JusPassin 31-Oct-14
yorktown5 31-Oct-14
JusPassin 31-Oct-14
RymanCat 31-Oct-14
deadeye 31-Oct-14
yorktown5 31-Oct-14
osr 144 01-Nov-14
ela gözlü avci 02-Nov-14
From: JusPassin Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 30-Oct-14




Does anyone know of any scientific studies done on the affects of grip angle.

I know , I know, everyone has an opinion on what feels best to them. I want to know what should work best and why.

For myself, a grip angle of 18 degrees to the string results in the limbs coming to rest after release perpendicular to the ground, which should theoretically go a long ways to eliminate torque.

I just can't find anything written about it.

From: Jeff Durnell Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 30-Oct-14




I think you're looking at it wrong.

I can shoot a wide variety of grips well, accurately, without torquing, and without the bow moving and affecting arrow flight or handshock just by adjusting my bow hand's angle and fulcrum point to coincide with the bow's grip design and dynamic center of balance. I can usually feel how it needs to be held and make it right in less than 2 dozen shots or so.

A bow DOES need to be well designed and tillered and when it is, the 'best' grip angle, for an individual, is simply a matter of their preference.

From: JLBSparks
Date: 30-Oct-14




Bruce, I'm certainly no expert, but I also prefer a low-wrist grip without being a broomhandle. About 15 degrees with a 3/32"-1/8" crown. I don't care for grips that feel like you're pointing, holding a tennis ball or baseball.

-Joe

From: osr 144 Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 30-Oct-14




It can make a huge differance to some bows.An experianced shooter can feel if a bow is not balanced in the hand whilst shooting.It has been studied before but I know of atleast 4 differant grips and can use 3 of them quite well.As you can amagine I shoot a few differant types of bows.I will try to post some pictured. OSR.

From: osr 144 Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 30-Oct-14

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Picure ,1.my Korean bow I use forounted archer 2, long bow full palm low grip 3, recurve high grip

From: osr 144 Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 30-Oct-14

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Sorry I messed it up . 1 high grip recurve Now Korean

From: osr 144 Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 30-Oct-14

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and finally long bow

From: camodave
Date: 31-Oct-14




Take a look at some video of FITA recurve shooters and you will see a wide variety of grips and modifications...those people are some of the best archers in the world, they have access to the best technology, and they still have individual preferences...I am sure if there was a grip angle that was proven to be the "best" they would all be using it

DDave

From: Buzz
Date: 31-Oct-14




From: overbo
Date: 31-Oct-14




Jeff is correct, Pressure point on any grip has to be center of the bow. This is why so many types and style of grips are out there. No one grip type will center the hand's pressure point for all archers but all grips will have that sweet spot that keeps the bow stable w/out torque through the shot.

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 31-Oct-14




What Jeff Durnell said X2

From: JusPassin Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 31-Oct-14




I don't disagree with Jeff, and I think all of us who've shot for years have developed that ability. That doesn't mean that there isn't one perfect angle for you as an individual archer. The question is how is it determined.

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 31-Oct-14




By shooting different styles of bow grips. A shoot like Denton Hill allows for that. I do agree that there is usually that one that just fits from the get-go. Only one way to find out, far as I know.

From: JusPassin Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 31-Oct-14




That's what I mean George, we all know when we let go with that "perfect" bow, but how to apply a scientific method to finding it rather than trial and error.

Maybe there truly is none, sure keeps a lot of guys busy buying and selling to find them.

From: yorktown5
Date: 31-Oct-14




Often overlooked (including by me) is the change to trajectory (higher/lower) that the grip angle impacts.

It can be hard to isolate, but in general if a given bow shoots higher than the archer expects, the heel of the bow hand is bearing down on the grip with more pressure, and in the reverse if the grip angle is too low.

The brain quickly adjusts, as Jeff points out, but for a hunting archer who can't "re-calibrate" if heading into the woods, having all one's bow grips adjusted to the same sight view-trajectory is important for those of us who have a stable of regular favorites.

And while palm/heel pressure tends to increase as the grip angle becomes more steep and trajectory rises, I've discovered very high angles can cause the palm to no longer be behind the bow, but offset. Then the fulcrum is at the hand's web and the palm isn't exerting much pressure. Result is instead of higher trajectory, the bow shoots low.

Rick

From: JusPassin Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 31-Oct-14




Yae Rick. That's what I'm trying to get at.

From: RymanCat
Date: 31-Oct-14




Pick the bow up and shoot it is all I ever been taught and teach.

I guess if one wants the perfect grip put a knife to there riser and fit it to your hand how you want then good luck with resale? LOL

From: deadeye
Date: 31-Oct-14




When you get a GOOD coach (not the weekend class)you will learn to have you thumb level with the string.The same is true with target shooting with a gun.

I no nothing and see nothing!!!!

From: yorktown5
Date: 31-Oct-14




About the only thing I retract from my last post is that I 'rit it rong'. Its a good idea to have all one's bows shoot to similar trajectories, but you can get there in a lot of ways. Grip angle is just one.

Rick

From: osr 144 Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 01-Nov-14




In the 3 pictures I posted with 3 different bows, I use 3 different grips.All I know is it works for me. It may not be text book perfect but if it is unconventional I don't care. The one constant should be gripping a bow must be the same shot after shot .My friend shoots my Korean bow with a different grip to me and we both get good results. Play around and find your sweet spot.Once you are there stick with it. Hey arn't those tournament archers good(not like me)They are worth watching thats what we can learn from. OSR.

From: ela gözlü avci
Date: 02-Nov-14




In "Archery, Step To Success" there is schematic explanation of difference in bending of the limbs with low-straight-and high-wrist grips but te authors say it does nkt make any significant difference. The wrist-string angle makes a difference when shooting with thumb release but I doubt if it has any effect on the dynamics of a modern bow with center-cut riser.





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