From: Frisky
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Date: 13-Oct-14 |
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Here's a cool video on the striking power of the Japanese bow vs the European longbow:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrOIQRnKcnc
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From: Buzz
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Date: 13-Oct-14 |
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Good vid, thanks.
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From: Lee@KeepItSimple
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Date: 13-Oct-14 |
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I suspect draw length and arrow weight had more to do with the outcome than did efficiency of poundage draw in the bow.
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From: Raymo
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Date: 13-Oct-14 |
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Awesome..it looks like the arrows from the yumi were flying tail high. Although I spent a few years living in Japan but never did shoot a yumi, so am not sure if this is how they tune the arrow flight.
I do remember a conversation with an older gent indicating that a proficiency archer would be able to obtain more power from a bow than a beginner. Perhaps this has to do with learning how to change to bowhand position after the shot as the video indicates is part of the yumi shooters technique.
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From: robert
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Date: 13-Oct-14 |
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It would be hard to use a bow like that from a tree stand or a pop up blind, it looks to be a little long, but it would kill a deer, it would be a little tough moving through heavy brush too.
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From: Smithhammer
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Date: 13-Oct-14 |
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The Yumi is one of the most fascinating designs in the history of archery, imo (as is the technique for shooting it properly). A true "hybrid," with the string laying against the top limb prior to meeting the nock,and making no contact until the nock on the bottom limb. And yet another reminder the D/R designs are hardly a new idea.
It's worth noting as well, that in addition to the quite long Yumi Daikyu which is most commonly featured and shot today (often 7 - 9 ft or more in length), there was also a Yumi Hankyu, or "half bow," which was usually around 5ft. in length. It was intended for close-quarters combat on foot. Surprisingly, the Daikyu was usually used on horseback, over the shorter bow.
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From: Dan W
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Date: 13-Oct-14 |
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Robert-
The Yumi was developed as a military arm, not a hunting tool. But any bow/arrow set-up that skewers armor probably works quite well in a pinch for the occasional meat shopping chores when out on campaign.
Both the English longbowmen and Cherokee archers (one of the best of the Native American long bow archers) commonly kept two kinds of bows- heavy to very heavy for war, and 20# or so lighter for hunting at home.
Great as the Yumi was as a military arm, it was acknowledged (after the late 13century attempts to invade and conquer Japan were dashed by the Kamikaze- "Holy Wind" typhoon that destroyed & sunk the Mongol fleet) that the Mongol horn-wood-sinew Asiatic static-tip, shorter reflex bow was superior. This led to the Japanese bowyers improving the Yumi, but without altering its basic design.
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From: Osr 144
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Date: 16-Oct-14 |
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Now they played around with a toy long bow, they could use a true representation of a real English long bow.That long bows poundage was far too light to be considered a war bow .It would have to be at least 80+#.I have used yumi's and am impressed their perfprmance.Pound for pound the yumi is a better bow. Having seen a 120# war bow in action I can say the English war bow is a far superior killing weapon than what the vidio dipicts. It is on record of yumi's delaminating in battle due to the Japanese climate. I seriously doubt yew long bows could fail that way. Henry the V's army would have decimated any Japanese Samuri army of that period The cream of French nobility fell to his archers. Unfortinatly we will never know. Good clip though. OSR
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From: Dan W
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Date: 16-Oct-14 |
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Osr- comparing war bow to war bow, they probably used an underweight Yumi as well. Even as late as the 1930's when Eugen Herrigel was training under Kenzo Awa, the Sensei had a bow of 88 lbs. draw weight; and during the earlier periods when the bow was a military tool bows were referred to as "two man" "Three man" or even up to "Five man" bows as rough guide to how many ordinary men it would take to draw such a bow.
Henry V vs. the Shogun- well, the Japanese had the only mounted longbow cavalry, while the English shot from the ground. But of course they were very well practised in dropping horses- so who knows? It would make a Hell of a movie!
I didn't know about the Hankyu, 1/2 sized bow. Would love to try one of those at my ordinary, non-Kyudo draw length.
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From: Osr 144
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Date: 16-Oct-14 |
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Dan W I was given the privilege of using a Yumi in 1976. People who go on about form and technique have never used a Yumi I bet. It is not easy. Yumi's of a heavy poundage would indeed out shoot a English war bow. Yeah it would make a great movie. War bow techniques are special too. Just drawing them is a danger to ones health if not done correctly. There is a guy in the UK currently shooting a 200#+ war bow I read about on a UK web site.My friend struggles with 120#.You have to watch one in action as its impressive to see. I am considering getting a Yumi this year and learning how to shoot one properly. Thank you for your post really enjoyable to read OSR
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From: Raymo
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Date: 16-Oct-14 |
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The only bummer was the vid didn't continue to the end of the segment.
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