I sold a Morrison Cheyenne with Carbon Foam longbow limbs and skins to Gary Gentry. I have never rec'd any payment. I mailed the bow to him and he said he mailed the money. He kept saying he was going to mail it. He never did. So just beware of this guy.

Please, I dont need a lecture about the process. Just want you guys to watch any dealings with him. And maybe by some miracle the money will show up. I will then post it.

What's the deal? It seems more scamming than usual going on around here lately.

why send the bow before you get payment?

I've mailed a bow before receiving payment a few times too. After talking with the buyer on the phone I felt good about sending the bow and fortunately I have not been burnt. I want to believe that people are basically good and most of them are but there are those few bad apples out there. Sorry that you ran into one of the bad ones.

Keith

That $%^&%^&* SUCKS my man I hope it works out buddy

stupid tax.... paid a little myself from time to time..

I hope everything works itself out for you Keith. I too have sent bows the same time the buyer sends payment. I think it should be that way unless you're a major retailer, it should go 50/50. You can be scammed just as easily by sending payment and the other guy never sends (or has) a bow.

I hope this guy comes thru for you. Character and integrity can't be learned, you either have it or not, imho. I sell on eBay to help pay my Cobra insurance. The new scam is people bidding, winning, and not paying. Why? Because they are selling something identical at a higher price and want the competition out of the way. You can complain to the mothership, but they only really care about the buyers. If you're a seller, you're like a red-headed stepchild.

Thanks guys. Ive done this countless times. Mailed something the same time the money is sent. And vice versa. Never been burned before.....except for paying for a bow to be built from Jeff Strauss of Allegheny Mountain Bows. Never got that bow. That was a couple years ago.

Just be careful guys. The trust has to be shared somewhere. I exchanged several emails with him before hand. So I went ahead and sent it.

I would give him THREE Days, then post his handle name also.

Three days?? LOL! Its been weeks. If u want a handle, u have all the info u need to look it up. Use the search function.

Zman the scumbag got me to!!!!!!!I sent him a bow and never received it back,and was told he sent it ,got Rob from tradgang to contact him and he said he sent the bow back ,it's been two years and nothing ,,,,,,won't answer emails ,phone calls ,,,or anything ,,,i'll meet up with him some day. Having a dow trying to contact him...I doubt you'll get your money ,,sorry,,,,he'll answer for his doings one day....gib

Hey Keith, Sorry to hear that. See if you can file a postal fraud claim with the Post office. Rob

The key for me in the whole process is that talk on the phone...a good scammer may be able to get around it but it is just one more way to confirm who you are dealing with...for example, I have, on more than one occasion, told people not to send me an item until they have received full payment...things happen...I have only been scammed once by our buddy Lure 100 who appears to continue to operate with impunity on eBay...eventually he will cross the wrong person and pay the price

DDave

I never use MO for that very reason. NEVER SHIP BEFORE PAYMENT with copy of receipt and track PAYPAL ONLY. I always do a phone call to seller or buyer, just to get a more comfy feeling.

Sorry for your loss.

if push comes to shove then read below.

I've had this happen and now you need to become the biggest pest in his world,,,,, find every person with the same last name in his town or even county and send each of them letters telling what this guy did.

find every local hunting forum from where he lives and register on those to make that one big post of your story,, what I find is if you make a post asking if anyone knows this guy to please PM you then you will get more info out there plus it spreads from person to person and eventually makes it back to the person who stole from you.

find every local gun archery and fishing club within 50 miles of where he lives and write a letter to them and tell them your story.

you do this every other month just keep writing letters over and over to every person with the same last name you can find,seriously its only a matter of time before his cousin or daughter says just give him his bow back! use map quest to figure out his neighbors addresses and write them letters too!

do not be mean in the letters you want people to feel sorryt for you BUT need to become a tick in this guys A%$ and get it done locally and within his circle of relatives and family.

I've done this a few times and was very happy with the results most times except for two my money or items where all returned, one guy is on TG's scammer list and he only returned my money (for custom arrows) after I wrote all his relatives, his girlfriend and some of her relatives and also found out what Traditional Hunting club he belonged too,, all easily done on the internet.

What is his address and contact info??

Oh not you bro this sucks man. Hope he reads this and gets his act together. Is this mail fraud? If he sent the money where is his documentations keith?

Wheres he live anyone want to go see this guy and get bow back? If this is near me I'll go.

Bro I feel for you.

I bought a set of ILF limbs from a guy I knew.Sent mo got limbs.Payment never arrived....waited.....waited.....things got awkward....then his wife found the mo in the side pocket of her car almost a month later.I use tracking #s nowadays.And yes I send without payment one of these days I'll get burned likely.

i got hit on another item but not here or by him, i hate it but i guess i am going to use paypal only from now on, i was able to get my money back with filing a dispute.. man i hate that folks live thier lives like that, hopefully you can get it resolved...

Its not the M.O. thats the problem, it none members with no history or very little, I just got cash for 5quivers, I useully get M.O. I dont use paypal because I seldom sell or buy. there are risk tradeing both ways, my time to get burnt is a comeing, but thats the way it is. sucks when your talking larger sums of money. sorry to hear it tough.

He lives in Eastern Montana. I cant find his address. It was in one of the first emails. I saved all the others. Figures.

He said he used Western Union. Yeah, right.

I found him on Facebook. Zman is this your bow?

I know who gib is, and I wouldn't want to walk around always looking over my shoulder, or wondering what's around the next bend!!! Sorry to hear he never returned the bow gib, and what happened to you Zman.

Zman - if you could come up with an address, you could probably rally several Leatherwallers to write letters and do some digging. Tony's Facebook work above is a prime example. I think if we put enough pressure on the guy, you will get your money or bow. Tajue17 has some great tactics - as the saying goes, there's only six degrees of separation (or less) between any of us. Someone here knows someone who knows someone that could have some leverage on this thief. There are some police officers here that could possible call the local county sheriff in Montana, who then could make a phone call to the guy. Lead the way, and I will do some digging on my end.

Zman - here are three possible addresses for Gary Gentry in Montana - recognize any of them?

201 11th St SE Sidney MT 59270 12 Elk Horn Rd Townsend MT 59644 512 Wyoming Ave Laurel MT 59044

This is why Trad Gang has gone to a system were you pay to join their classifieds in order to prevent this,and Gary Gentry is on their Scam List

Wow!!! I just looked at the fb page. This guy has some nerve putting pics of the bow on there and bragging about how nice it is!!!

THATS MY BOW!!!!!!

Gary is on their Scam list NOW since Terry and I have emailed back and forth. He was kicked off TG last summer and Rob forgot to post his name. Thats why I didnt see it. Mistakes happen. It was an oversight. But his name posted will prevent others from getting scammed.

He is friends with Dick and Yote Robertson, Denny Sturgis Jr., South Cox and Lori Thomas on Facebook. If anyone knows any of these people you could contact them and see if they could help.

That helps. Thanks. I will PM Denny and South.

I hope you get it worked out Z, but being FB friends doesn't necessarily mean they are real life friends.

Why send the bow before you receive payment? You could ask the opposite question too. Why would I send payment when I don't have the merchandise yet? Then he has my money and I potentially have nothing - Not like we haven't heard that scenario before. I know it has always been customary for a merchant (mail order, and now via internet) to send the merchandise once the order and payment is received, but there has to be a certain amount of trust coming from each side for a sales transaction to ever take place. Face to face exchange of money and product is the only way to eliminate risk.

Hermon, you are correct but they can communicate with him and post on his page and maybe shame him into coughing up the money.

South doesnt know him. He replied to my email. WRV posted on his FB page telling him to pay for the bow. Im not on FB. Those of u who are...post something about it. Maybe that will help. Thanks.

I didn't see anything posted on his page. I'm unable to post on his page since I'm not friends with him.

I just sent him a message on facebook. More people need to bombard him with messages. He lives in Sidney Montana. I would contact the Robertson's since they are out in his area. He probably purchases gear from them.

Zman, There are 5 Gary Gentry's living in Sidney Montana. I need a phone number or address. Get your phone info and get it to me. My best friend is the head postal investigator for mail fraud in Boston. He needs this info to be able to contact him. He may be able to find him with the tracking number from the package also. Get me this info and I will talk to Mark. The post office frowns on mail fraud.

201 11th St SE Sidney MT 59270

Thanks firewater!

This is how things get resolved. I've said it before, this is why the Leatherwall is the best forum. As a group, we share a strong sense of right & wrong. If one of us has been legitimately scammed, the rest of us feel it, and want justice for our Leatherwall brother or sister. The response is strong and far reaching. This guy will be outed.

That a bummer zman . nothing worse than a theif .

What goes around comes around. Karma. He'll get caught one of these days $%&($#*"@ thief that's a bunch of bovine poop. Good luck i hope you get your money or bow back. Jeff F

Roadtrip!

Looks like he shut down comments.

someone should have offered to buy it, scam the scammer

I always use paypal I have sold 2 and bought one never a problem.

Contact facebook and let them know he is selling stolen property on thier site. also call the law and let them know and file charges. Let this guy you are doing all this and see how fast you get your bow back.

Hes not selling. Just bragging how nice it is.

Hey Zman here's the address and phone number of gary gentry the one that got my bow, 201 11th st. s.e. Sidney Montana...59270 and phone number...406-480-9135 and sorry i should've posted this earlier so some else didn't get taken like me,,,anyway good luck ,like i said he won't answer my phone calls ,emails or anything, good luck, gib

Cool. I will start calling him every minute. Thanks. I cant believe hes on FB bragging how nice the bow is.

He changed his phone number. It looks like he is a part of the Montana Bowhunters. If they found out what he was doing I'm sure they would be impressed. What a freakin jerk.

I had a similar problem several years ago. A bowyer was paid but never held up his end of the deal and I never received the bow or my money back. I then found out that several people were in the same situation. I ended up pursuing him criminally. I first sent him a certified letter requesting that he return my money within 15 days or I was going to place charges. He refused to sign the certified letter and I got the return back stating that. I took it along with me to the magistrate and swore out a felony warrant for obtaining money through false pretenses. The police department put it on file. I know that they will not extradite him from Ohio on that charge but I also know that since it was a felony, it will be on file for ten years or more. Every time he goes through a road check, gets pulled over, renews his license, etc., they are going to handcuff him and stick him in the back of the police cruiser for 30 minutes or so until it is ascertained that Virginia isn't going to extradite him. Didn't get me my bow or my money back but I know I am getting my money's worth in aggravation. Besides, if he ever gets stopped in Va., I know he will be arrested and we can proceed with his trial.

Send him a certified letter and then proceed with obtaining warrants for the larceny.

Make sure you copy and save his face books posts. You may need them later to prove that he is in possession of your bow.

I saved most of his emails too.

I just talked to a judge in Sidney. He knows Gary. He just got off probation so that eliminates one route of dealing with him. I have some other options.

Low life! He needs a lesson taught to him.

zman i.ve saved his emails when he was emailing me ,,,if i can be of any help let me know,,,,thanks gib

Send his A** to JAIL!

There are others who have dealt with this guy apparently-see below from big game houndsmen forum

http://biggamehoundsmen.com/forum/scam-artist-buyer-beware-t41060.html

This guy is such a dirt bag. Does he really think he can continue this dishonest path he has chosen? He reminds me of the scum sucker from Michigan that sold me a bow on eBay, never shipped it, cashed the MO, and after I got him shut down, opened a new Ebay account a year later and tried to sell the same bow he never shipped to me. I got him shut down again, and I called him, gave him one chance to make things right. After he hung up the phone, I called the cops in his town and filed a complaint with them. Nothing came of it, but I felt better. What a hair ball!

I've shipped numerous bows to people before I got payment and I have ALWAYS got paid!!!

Most trad people are good people...this guy is a turd and needs to be handled with.

Thanks for making his name aware to the rest of us.

Dewayne Martin

UNBELIEVABLE! This guy needs several good solid neck punches. I often peruse the bay and the classifieds here looking to the day when I'll buy my next bow. Crap like this makes me leary of dealing with people I don't know personally or buying something without a face to face. I'm really bummed about your loss but I do appreciate the info. This clown will get what he deserves, Rest assured. I firmly believe that chickens come to roost. Some rancher out there will probably end up stomping a mud hole in him sooner or later and besides, he just got released from parole/probation. He's already showing that it's a matter of time before he goes to the can to find his new love interest waiting for him.

Punched in the neck MAN THAT WOULD HURT!!

I would agree !!!! I hope you get this guy buddy

Contact Montana Bowhunters.

If he's on Probation, contact his P.O., it's a matter of public record and easy to follow up on. P.O. only needs preponderance of evidence to lock him up/ take him back to court.

"He just got off probation so that eliminates one route of dealing with him."

Side story while awaiting the outcome:

I once bought a Super K from a guy. I met him in person and liked the bow...great. Month or two later he has another Super K for $250...perfect twin to the bow I bought. I told him I wasn't interested unless it was an exact match. We agreed he would send me the bow and I would pay him if I kept it. Turned out to be a great bow and I sent him a check for $250. He called me after a week and said no check had arrived. After discussion, we gave it some more time and waited. "No check!" and he was impatient. I gave him an option of cancelling the first and sending another, or waiting. He would wait a couple days. "No check!"

I wrote him a second check and mailed it out, then stopped payment on check #1. You already know what happened: once he knew the second check was mailed he deposited the first check which he'd been holding. He wrote checks out against that deposit and was counting on check #2 when it arrived. When his bank notified him that check #1 was stopped (and about 3 or 4 of his checks were now bouncing) he called me in a rage. He threatened physical violence, etc and was screaming. I just told him how it was, and now he had no choice but to wait on check #2. He cursed and cried over the phone and called me every ugly name I've ever heard, plus a few that were new. I made him wait, and told him I would not send a third check. I also suggested that if he wanted to drive to Ohio I would be more than happy to throw him a party complete with flashing red-and-blue lights, men in uniform and a parade. He slammed down the phone, and of course check #2 was immediately deposited. I can be scammed, but I don't bite easily.

I also later learned this guy had just gotten back from a hunt that cost him a bunch of money and he was essentially broke. Wife and child not happy. As one of my very good hunting friends likes to say: "Stupid SHOULD hurt".

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Trust Stykshooter...I guarantee you he knows how to deal with dirtbags like this guy.

Your scam-artist currently has one hope, and that is you'll grow tired and just go away if he hangs you up long enough. Delay and dodge is the name of his game. I deal with that constantly as a business owner. Use every possible pressure point you can find, but some nuts would rather rot than crack.

I am having a similar problem. We make self bows on Thursday nights. A guy came over from the other side of the state to watch, help and hang out. He is an accomplished selfbow maker. We made a deal to swap one of my green Kodiak Hunters for an osage bow that he WILL make me. I brought two K.H. and of course he picked the cleaner of the two bow making the promise to make me an osage longbow to my specifications. He took the Kodiak Hunter with him. I haven't heard from him since. I have known this guy for a few years, him and his wife (and daughter) camped by us at shoots thru the years..

I have sent him e-mails and mail. I even sent a letter to Mr. and Mrs. in hopes that his wife would open the letter and read it. My contacts have been civil for now but when winter sets in and I really have nothing better to do I am going to go after him, my bow or the osage bow. AND it is probably going to get ugly.

Good luck Jon. I hope you get it. Even tougher when its a friend.

Zman I hate to hear it brother. I agree with many posts before mine. He needs to be taken to the ground and a hail of elbows rained upon him. Good luck...

Jake

Zman. I have an idea that worked for me in the past.

I had sent this fella $500 for some osage staves. they were supposed to ship that week. after 6 months I had nothing to show for it. called and emailed him only to be ignored. what ended up working for me was to look up someone in his area with the same last name via the phone book. then I called and first apologized for bothering them and nicely explained my position. well it was his aunt and she was NOT happy! I received a call later that day from the person in question. Later that week all my staves were shipped.

Since your not on Facebook I'll see if I can help with this. I have sent friend requests to a couple of Gary Gentry's family members. Once they except my request I can contact them via private message and very kindly ask them whats going on and if they can help.

I'll keep you posted brother....Just might work if were lucky!?!

Word to the wise..if you come up with a great idea pm Zman im sure Gentry checks the post, its like you giving the answers before you tell the question, understand we are dealing with a thieft here.

A lot of Police Departments now have a cyber crimes division, I am sure your bow was worth enough to constitue a felony. Prosecute the #$% hole. You probably have enough info from other waller to go to the magistrate and get your own warrant. Good Luck

To the top. People need to be aware of this guy.

More of a SELLERS beware, thing, no?

Maybe the only reason he hasn’t been returning your phone calls and emails is that he’s been eating County food all this time….LOL

Sorry to hear the saga, but I have a feeling something’s gonna have to give on his end, or this is gonna cost him a whole lot more than any bow was ever worth!

Well he posts on facebook quite a lot. His mom and dad are on his friends list, so send him a copy of the thread..and they will see it.

So explain to me how paying $30.00 to Tradgang prevents this from happening?

By the way I would do as Greyghost suggested. Make copies of any correspondence with the thief especially his agreeing on a price to pay. Collect pictures of your bow and documents of shipping. Facebook pics of your bow now in his possession.

If a person is out to scam someone, they don't want to pay $30 up front for the privilege to do so.

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TG has a list of scammers. With the $30 fee it allows u to use the Classifieds. Its supposed to keep the low lifes out of it. Gary scammed somebody last year and got kicked off. BUT his name was never added to the list. Oversight by the Admin. Before I did the deal, I checked the list. He wasnt on it. The rest u know.

OMG The List according to his highness.

Gary sent me a tracking number. Says the bow should be delivered today. Nothing yet...fingers crossed.

He's sending it back?

Since Gary is reading these post let's just say..don't come back, get into some other sport like finger painting or knitting.. Stay away from us you un- ethical dead beat.

Was it delivered?

If it comes back, I'd like you to send it to me on approval.

Bro just stay the course and maybe Cody can get some action this really sux hate all this when bad apples are around us. We work hard for what we get and someone comes along because of their messed up stuff and trys to take advantage.

They don't get it and will usally bonce 10 times over. Just look at the light he's allowing to shine on him now. He's not very bright other than the light showing on him and don't know whats right. A lot definutly wrong with this guy and anyone that can help out are doing both Z and this scammer a service they both need help.

I had this happen once. I went to my local police and explained the situation, and asked about contacting the authorities where the scammer lived. He helped me contact the sheriff of the county where the scammer lived. They sent a deputy out to the residence. Turns out the scammer lived there with his mom. The deputy asked about sending me my money and of course he denied getting any bow from me. I never did get my money, but at least I tried. You might have better luck than I did, might give him the nudge to do what he should have done a long time ago.

Zman what he did was a crime file a police report with your local agency.

Nope. Not delivered yet....

For your sake, Zman, I hope he comes thru. Does the tracking number show movement yet? Sometimes the tracking numbers don't show anything until the package hits the state, or until it's delivered. That frustrates me. Fingers crossed.

The only thing that the fee the other site charges prevents is use of that site and membership. Just give it a little time and see what happens to the other site. It has destined itself to long term failure. That is too bad because I enjoyed it just as I enjoy this one. I say thanks to those who run this site for their good decisions.

Not to make this more of a thread about TG, but I must comment. The fee was set in place to keep from frequent miss use of the classifieds, and re creation of Aliases jumping back on to peddle bows. The yearly fee is nothing compared to a $104 Paypal/Ebay's taking on an $800 bow for example, and that is not an annual fee, but per transaction. We do not complain about that rip off monopoly. I do not see why we have to complain so much about the other site. It was nice when it was free, but it's thanks to abusers that it is no longer. Zman, in hopes you got your bow back, and looking for an update. I see Gary on FB, but he is not a member of any trad sites that I can see.

I agree with Hunt OH.

I'm a long-time Ebay seller and have sold plenty of high-dollar stuff there over many years. The percentage take, combined with PayPal fees can be a downer. Not exactly enjoyable to receive my monthly Ebay invoice and see what I'm paying. I never use Craigslist...just don't like how that system works. I often use classifieds within forums I frequent. It's not hard to sell on these, but the audience is smaller. Paying the $30 is a pittance (for me) if selling a couple thousand bucks worth of hunting stuff. If my estimate is correct, I plan to sell around that much in assorted gear in the next month or so. I think a lot of it will be sold on TG. Anybody remember when you'd pay $30 (per ad!) for a print ad in classifieds like your local newspaper?

I am not saying the fee is a rip off. I am saying a lot of people will stop using the site because of the fee. The owner can do whatever he thinks is best for the site and I support his decision, but I do not agree with it. I believe the number of guys using the site will decrease over time because of the decision. I agree that these sites are not here only for the free classifieds, but it is a feature that brings many to the site. When there are several sites providing the service for free, why pay for it? I have bought and sold on this and other sites many times and have never been scammed. Why let concern about scammers degrade a site? Just my opinion.

Send me $300 and I'll send you a list of all lying politicians....make that $30000, it's a long list! Dishonest folks who rip others off aren't going to worry about $30. I'd guess most of the problem went away when they adopted the minimum post rule. I never had a bad deal over there and I took chances with early shipment if I knew who I was dealing with, but I won't pay to play! People who are caught at it aren't stupid enough to keep trying using the same aliases either, they just change names, handles, PO boxes, etc.

I agree Sipsey. I personally won't pay the fee over at Trad Gang. I guess that I have been fortunate here on "The Wall" in that I have done probably a dozen transactions and have never had a problem with anyone here. If I did a lot of buying and selling it might be worth it, but I don't.

Richard, after the fee started I have yet to see the sneaking back on. Took care of an issue as intended. It is nice to no longer have my inbox lit up with requests to review a listing. I sell enough that it is worth the funds per year. I can tell you that there is another out which does not require fees. Facebook has many trad pages now, and lots of stuff for sale. I have obtained one of Fred Bears personal knives, Bob Kelly's bolo, pictures Fred made and gave to friends and more from connections on that site. Many many good people, but as with any free site you have to watch for those who will take you.

No bow yet. Called 2 local Post Offices. Nothing.

Do you think the scumbag snt you a bogus tracking number? What does the USPS Tracking site say?

Post Offices say its legit. Just have to wait...

Have you filled out a email notice report? On the tracking page, upper right hand corner, under questions. The USPS will send you an email when the tracking number shows up in your state.

Agree with MStyles. Get the E mails. Tracking should show movement shortly. If not I would be concerned. Was likely shipped back parcel post if he even did.

Just wondering how this deal ended up working out? Hopefully you got your bow back. Johnny

Still waiting on the Post Office. Bow is somewhere...

I shipped a knife to a guy in California, Priority Mail, ins, tracking. The USPS showed I bought the postage, or "Pre-Shipment". The guy emailed me and said there was no tracking info. I freaked because the PO has never let me down. It finally showed and registered in California, but not before. Drove me and the guy nuts thinking it got lost in the mail. But it took two days to deliver after it got there. Frustrating, very frustrating.

Look at the bright side, the usps is going to hire 50,000 temps for the holidays!

tick...tick...tick...

Agree that Ebay fees make TG the safest place to buy and sell expensive bows. The TG bashers seem to have a personal grudge against the owner, but the TG members are standup guys. If anybody there tried to slander Phil or any other people on the Wall, they be dropped like a hot rock. Surprised that slander is considered free speech by some people.

dont forget to make posts with this guys name and address in the Monmtana craigslistings,, like I said send letters top every Mr and Mrs Gentry within 100 miles of where he lives ""all relatives""

I did that and got my money back but make sure you tell the truth but word it in a sad way so they feel sorry for you,, you use that bow to feed the family its the only bow you have that shoots good and you really need it this year.. I promise things will happen people do not like bad rumors about themselves..

"Surprised that slander is considered free speech by some people."

What some folks call slander is the truth.

;)

If slander is the truth, we have the most honest politicians on Earth. :)

Good one Yunwiya! I have to remember that.

hope you get your bow back bud. I will be keeping an eye out on this thread. I am also on facebook and will help if I can. I post on TG pow wow some but I opted not to pay to use the classifieds as others have also. There are a few other trad sites that offer free classifieds as well as ebay. I'll stick to them.

I see he is listed as living in Sidney Mt, Ive got buddies in Sidney I will check with

That would be awesome chickenman. I still waiting on the USPS. No update on the delivery tracking since it left Billings MT.

I did send a txt to my bud in Sidney, he is out elk hunting for a couple weeks but will get back to me. He WILL know the guy! He has been there his whole life.

Thanks!

Shouldn't be hard to find since he posts frequently on Facebook.

I hope you get your bow back .

Keith,

Did your bow ever make it home??

?????

Nope. No tracking updates. And cant get ahold of anybody at the MT post offices.

Been fortunate so far. Have sold and traded and not got burned yet. I guess like anything else, the more you do it...the higher the risk. Sorry for your mis-fortune Karma will get him

I am a born skeptic and that probably makes me sniff hard for bogus deals and scammers. If something doesn't feel the slightest bit right I typically walk away.

Something...something just seems amiss here. He ships the bow supposedly and yet it never shows up. There is tracking, but it doesn't reveal where anything is. A fine bow gets shipped and disappears into a black hole. It was shipped out (back to you) by a known scammer/crook...a guy you chased hard...a guy who screws people willingly...and then somehow THIS particular bow disappears into thin air. I suppose there is a meager chance it will show up somehow. My scam-meter is redlining. I'll bet a $40 steak this bum can't provide you a copy of the shipping receipt proving insurance and that it was shipped to you. The USPS folks will be the ones with the knowledge. I hope you burn this bad individual...he deserves nothing less than a dose of constant misery.

I was hoping the Billings or Sidney post offices could tell me something. But they dont answer and dont return calls.

Did you request the USPS email tracking updates? If you haven't, it can't hurt to do it.

I did. No updates.

He hasn't posted on Facebook since September 1. He's laying low and probably hopes you will just forget about him. His friends list is still up on the FB site. May not be a bad idea to message some of them that live in that area. Maybe you will get lucky and find someone there who knows his whereabouts.

Wondering if he has a relative working at the post office? Sent you a bogus tracking number?.... True POS in my book!

USPS won't even confirm if you have a legitimate tracking number??

As I posted above, it is a legit number according to my local post office. I cant get a response to the MT post offices when I call.

I gotta say, what good is a tracking number, if you can't use it? It's my sole complaint with the USPS.

Call your local postal inspector. He will get it figured out for you.

This situation keeps coming back into my thoughts. I did a little searching for information....

For anyone interested enough to do so, get on Google and do searches on 'bogus' or 'fraudulent' USPS tracking numbers. This is beginning to look like an advanced rip-off and might be a legit case of mail fraud. Ebay has been aware of it for years.

Mail fraud good luck with that one too who you going to call? They don't respond to letters or phone calls and when you go try to get the postmaster involved they don't bring them out to window either.

Seems shipping is a bad deal anymore insurance or not they don't honer things at all times. I feel as though they are no differant than criminals with a licence to defraud especially the claims department.

Lesson learned. Do not ship bow until money clears

Zman, sorry to hear of your situation.

The rules I generally follow with all online transactions are pretty simple but they avoid most issues.

Check out their posting history on the site you are doing the transaction and see if they are relatively new and if there seems to be any negative feedback from their interactions with others on the site.

Always get a phone number and call it to make sure it is real and to get a feel for the person at the other end of the deal. Get their address.

Use or require Paypal or Postal Money Order only, unless the item is an inexpensive item <$50.

Finally and most importantly Do Not Ship until payment, in the form you agreed on, has cleared.

I have broken the last rule on only a very few occasions but those deals were with people I felt had solid reputations and or that I had prior dealings with before.

Hopefully someone reading this simple list can avoid needless losses.

I've bought several things from individuals from the classifieds on Leatherwall, however, when I make personal contact with the seller, I always tell them not to ship what we agreed on until they receive my money orders, I mostly don't sell anything, but if I did, I would expect the same as a seller. So far I've never been burned on buying and selling.

There was a problem with a bow that was given to me by a good friend, on a pass around use bow, someone wouldn't return it, then another good friend, Bustacrook, who happened to be a Deputy Sheriff in the County where the bow was at, made contact, and the bow was on the way, after Bustacrook retrieved it. There was different excuses, that was a lot of hogwash, but when a Black & Silver vehicle showed up in the driveway, it was a different story.

Old Crow, I tried to get the local police involved. So did some fellow trad guys. They said they cant do anything.

SportHunter, thanks for the advice.

Zman, Very sorry to hear of this situation. I do not know how these people can live with themselves.

Zman, if they can't do anything, I belive I would post on FB every day, his name and say I'm still waiting on the payment or my bow back. Don't let up! It wouldn't matter if it took twenty years, I would make sure everyone knows what a scum bucket he is. Don't know what rock he slithered out from under but it takes a low life to steal from someone and then gload about it on FB.

OC, I agree. Unfortunately, his so-called "friends" on FB probably do the same thing or just cheer him on. You know what they say, "Birds of a feather..."

Been watching this thread for a while...waiting to see the outcome.

Finally looked him up on FB and was incensed that he would post pics and comment on a bow that he stole. Looked at link on the BGH board and saw more comments about him.

That was enough for me...I was disgusted with this display of gutless thievery.

Sent him a message on FB. Told him to return the bow he deliberately ripped off...told him he was not a real man as real men don't do s--- like this to other men and he was not worthy to share the company of real men and that his acts were shameful.

Informed him his bad name was being spread across the continent by decent people who don't like seeing brothers like Keith getting scammed by a thief.

I think rather than returning your bow he just mailed a parcel with nothing in it to a non-address with a fake return address so it would not go anywhere but in a circle...too coincidental that a dirt bag sends back your bow and it gets lost in the mail.

That was a beautiful bow and it pained me to think you have to look at pictures of it taken by him. Thought I would do what I could to help you.

Gary Gentry is scum on scum's shoes. Tell the world.

We got scammed by Experian to a tune of 500 on our credit cards. Look on line 100os of complaints. We complained and to no avail. Gary my husband said he would fix it. looked up the Sr VP and contacted him throgh linkedIn. Told him he was scum and Experian were scum and thiefs. said he woud create a blog and advise all those thousands to file in small claims court for a return based on state consumer protection laws. We had a full credit the next day.

All send a messeage to this scumbag on FB and linkedin. tell him a blog is beng creating that will there for any and everybody to see online. The owner shuld imediatly file a samll claims action in his county. Send copy of the claim to the scumbag. Swear he was properly served. Add Pain and suffering or take it to the limits of the SC court. Get your judgement . File a forigne judgemetn in his state and go after him. TELL HIM ON FACE BOOK YO ARE DOING EXACTLY THAT.

I haven't posted on this but I've read it since the beginning. If he received the bow and didn't pay for it, then G. Gentry has proven to be a very dishonest, and needless to say sad excuse for a man; he's of the sort that fuels the problems of the world. He's the sort that makes me desire to obtain a CCWP and carry. So it wouldn't bother me in the least if he were to receive a beating.

That is, if all that transpired has really transpired, and I'll ask forgiveness now, but I only say that because I didn't see it happen and I wasn't involved in it, I just read it. But I believe it more than I doubt it.

I've sold over 1100 bows, and mostly on line, since 2006, I've never experienced a bad transaction, but I know for certain, if I did, it would be worth the money, the time and the miles traveled to "settle things" when it happens. I wouldn't get my money back, or the bow probably, but I'd be passing some valuable knowledge to someone who will have a life changing experience and possibly not commit such crimes any longer.

We need a traveling Posse.

8^)

Rick

He not only scammed Zman, but also Gib. IMO, Gary Gentry doesn't deserve the benefit of doubt. He's had plenty of time and opportunity to correct the wrongs with both of them. I'm with Rick B ^^^^^^^^

Mike Mecredy, Mr. Gentry even posted photos of the bow on his facebook page and has scammed more folks than Zman. Nothing here that doesn't point the finger in the right direction. He seems arrogant to the extent he didn't even take down his Facebook page; just quit posting on it when the heat was turned up.

Yes there's a warning about him on the TG classifieds

For some criminals it's not enough to victimize someone. The ultimate (for them) is to boast about it and taunt their victim. These are obviously the career criminal types who get their enjoyment simply from harming other people.

I went to my local post office. The Postmaster is looking into it. He gave me the numbers for the Billings and Sidney post offices.

This is funny, I called the number last night posted on this thread for Gary Gentry in Sindey. The phone rang and I got a Hellow. I asked if this was Gary Gentry and was told no, that he just got this number 2 weeks ago. He asked me who Gary Gentry was and why was old angry guys calling all the time. I told him they are ticked off because a friend got riped off buy this guy. He just said oh lucky me , time for new #. if I see a gang of old guys coming up the street waving bats I will know why. He asked who I was and told him a pissed off old gal with not with a bat but bow. I said if yo do see a buch of old guys coming up the street with bats do not worry. If they are carrying bows run like crazy.

I just talked to the postmaster in Sidney. He said "Something was mailed and insured for $200." Other than that he couldnt tell me anything. Just have to wait to see what happens.

Hmm, How about this for a scam. He sends something back, maybe a broomstick to a bogus address with a bogus return address. After several weeks of bitching he says you better file the insurance claim.

You get paid by the PO and he keeps the bow for the price of shipping and insurance.

I have a hard time believing this guy can think that far ahead, but wow!

That would be a clever scam alright! Just not a smart one.

Somewhere there's a package with that tracking number on it. Even with bogus addresses, eventually USPS will find it. If they suspect they've been scammed by a false claim, that would be big trouble for the scammer! I don't think mail fraud is taken lightly by the USPS.

What's the latest on this? Inquiring minds, you know?

It's two years for me and still waiting ,,,,,gib I'm a patient man though

He is on the scammers list on Trad Gang, hes been busy.

Good luck zman . if it don't show let's round up a possee up and go looking.

No bow. Guess Im going to contact the Sidney Post Office. Weve been talking already.

Zman, I'm sorry this happened you Brother. I always open this up when I log on hoping for good news.

I do believe in karma. This creaton will get his in the end, likely a lot sooner.

It would be nice if we could get a slush fund established somehow. The funds would come in handy in cases like this.

Good Luck, Ben

Paypal next time .Ihope you get your bow or the money.Great if hes in another state.They probably wont extradite you unless ypu kill him.

Should be enough Wallers on here from his State that might make it "rough" on him just to walk down the street. A drive by rotten egging might help! But again, that would be too good for him!

My Postmaster who has been helping me is off today. I will call him again tomorrow.

I've got two guys in Sidney on this guys tail today, they are spreading the word also

Sorry to hear about this Zman. Needs to be tarred and feathered.

Charlie from Sudbury, Ontario.

I missed u at Denton Hill this year. Hopefully next year u can make it.

Been watching this, and thought I might add my 'storefront legal opinion':

If you have a business resale license, you can press charges or get a bench warrant for Defrauding a Merchant, at least out here under California state law.

Otherwise, it's a civil action, like 'Judge Judy' on TV.

IMO, he's gonna use the bow this season, and sell it to a buddy afterward, and tell you it was stolen during a break-in, or out of his truck, etc. I think it's gone, unless you have that resale license........

TinHorn

It's been over two weeks since the USPS postmaster was supposed to be helping find the package with the tracking number...

Wondering if there's been any resolution to this?

Keith, glad to hear you're not letting this go. Some guys have just given up and taken the loss. I told you my story and I hope you have the same outcome. We just cannot let these guys get away with stealing! Every option must be explored including a visit to the thief's home with a police officer if possible... Man I just hate a thief!!! Best of luck buddy, I hope it all works out for you.

I don't understand why the police can't do anything with the case?

Kind of hate to keep bringing this up, but...

What good is the tracking number if USPS can't use it to locate the package?

If this thread has gone cold, have we all been duped? Or is there a lesson we can all learn from?

What's the story on this? I just sent him some Facebook messages, as well as some of his friends on there. I HATE THIEVES!

Ive been working 12 hr days for weeks. I hope to get to the post office next week to "file a claim." He sent me a pic of the receipt. So, I will go from there with the PO and see what happens. Thanks for the help from everybody who did something. Im not going to let this go.

I have a good buddy who lives about 70 miles from the guy. As soon as his broken ankle heals up, he will be making a visit with some guys.

Zman don't forget what I said in my above post it goes beyond the outdoors forums and makes it into family a whole different side of his life and more personal than his hobby side,,,, write letters to everyone named Gentry within 100 miles of this guy including his immediate neighbors which can be found by using earth search and zooming down on his house you can also zoom down on all the neighbors houses for addresses.

This started over two months ago and you have had the tracking number for about six weeks now.... and you still haven't followed up with filing a claim at the post office? You had have some good advice here about getting the postal inspector involved, etc.

I have a feeling that since you have drug your feet so long before doing anything about it, and especially since it is now the height of the Holiday shipping season, that you aren't going to get much sympathy or satisfaction from the post office now.

Call his P.O.board, He also commmited mail fraud ,That's a U.S. offence. He also violated the FCC rules by using the internet to commit fraud. Do like the cop's fish till you get something that will get a hook in him. Find out if you can use these two resources to get him in trouble. Then report him.Phone call's, calling his bow club, all mean's shit to a thief. Also call the local police dept he deal's with. Putting the screw's to him leagaly with him having a record, that will make the dirtball uncomfortable .Put the dog's of war on him.

Stykshooter. I havent been dragging my feet. U have no idea what I have been doing about this.

I can belive this keith its a cluster dealing with PO letters back and forth. Terrible hope you get resolved brother any one whos been involved with these problems has possibly experianced this or they were mighty lucky.

I have said all along, this is a simple fix. I worked cases like this for over a decade.

Go to the U.S.P.S. website and enter your tracking number.

https://tools.usps.com/go/TrackConfirmAction_input

If it is a legitimate number it will show you where the package is right now.

You said you have made contact with your local postmaster... they should have been able to clear this up in about 30 seconds. For all anyone knows this guy did exactly as he said he would and the packages is sitting on a loading dock in New England somewhere.

If it is a bogus tracking number then he has committed a criminal offense and follow the routes outlined above. This should have been able to have been cleared up 5 or 6 weeks ago.

I would be cautious about posting comments like "I have a good buddy who lives about 70 miles from the guy. As soon as his broken ankle heals up, he will be making a visit with some guys." Anything happens to this guy and you could be charged as an accessory, even if you weren't present, and the investigator could use this thread to substantiate the charges.

Z man i wont go into a. Long story but ive been there to, got little help from postal service but my states attorney general got involved and i got a resolution real quick. What im saying is try your states attorney office or even the montanas.to see all the people on this site join together to burn this guy and all others like him warms my heart .

UP

This guy has been scamming people for a looong time. If I can remember I'll send Denny Sturgis a message on Facebook tomorrow. I'll also message several of his friends and let them know what happened.

Thanks Martin Guy. Denny doesnt know him though. He was already asked.

I have not heard anything from the guys in Sidney, I'll check in with them this weekend.

Awesome! Thanks!

Here is your next problem... The POS insured the bow for $200, it is now his claim and he will eventually get the $200.

PM sent Dogman.

Sound's like somebody is getting something "special" for Christmas.

There are a lot of good people from Montana that would probably love to help you design a noose for this character that would allow him to be hung from a branch so that his toes would just barely touch ground after string follow. Give him some time to reflect on the good Book as his leg muscles begin to knot up.

I don't think that is how postal insurance works. The package handler knows the BUYER not THE Seller is the looser. So I thought the buyer gets the insurance, in this case $200?

That's how I understand insurance works as well. The buyer gets the $$$.

Gary said he is waiting for proof of value from Morrison, then I will get a check from the USPS.

Don't count on me for legal advice, but I do know that the seller/shipper is the person who purchases the optional insurance and therefore is the primary payee in the event of a loss caused by the shipping company. If Gary is telling you that you'll get a check from the USPS I would likely believe that he's approaching it with the same degree of honesty he has in every other part of this whole deal. I think you know what I mean. Good luck...fingers crossed for you.

seller buys insurance and seller has to make claim. Money goes to seller. Its up to seller to make things right with buyer. Been there done that when usps when they lost a nice dwyer.

There are lots of scams and scam artists out there. I recently had one contact me about a bow I had for sale on here. He was using a reputable member's handle and tried a PayPal scam. Be careful buying and selling guys!

Yep, the check goes to the one who shipped the package. I would remind him of that.

I read this all the time. I had a friend that went to Maryland to collect his money. It was not pretty. Some people only understand a knot on the head.

I never experienced this sort of problem but to me this looks like fraud using the USPS. You can file a report of mail fraud with your local postmaster. With the case you have I think there would be enough to go on to proceed with a formal fraud investigation from the USPS.

*Mail Fraud

"U.S. Postal Inspectors investigate any crime in which the U.S. Mail is used to further a scheme--whether it originated in the mail, by telephone, or on the Internet. The use of the U.S. Mail is what makes it mail fraud.

If evidence of a postal violation exists, Postal Inspectors may seek prosecutive or administrative action against the violator. However, if money is lost through a fraudulent scheme conducted via the mail, Postal Inspectors lack the authority to ensure you receive a refund and can't require that products, services, or advertisements--on the Internet or elsewhere--be altered.

Postal Inspectors base investigations of mail fraud on the number, pattern, and substance of complaints received from the public. The Postal Inspection Service will carefully review the information you provide. We may share the information with other agencies when there is a possible violation within their jurisdiction.

If you feel you've been victimized in a fraud scheme that involves the U.S. Mail, submit a Mail Fraud Complaint Form to the U.S. Postal Inspection Service."

Hey Keith looks like your bow in the classifieds buddy not a 100% sure but they are rare picture is not great but sure looks like your bow with a extra set of limbs .

Its not. I got better pics from Cat. Thanks for keeping an eye out for it.

Any updates Keith?

Not really. I tried to file a claim but he already did it. I did what a lot of guys suggested but no luck so far.

TTT

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