From: Harialombos
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Date: 29-Sep-14 |
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Just watched my 1rst fred movie and wow!!!! sooo much is missing. Where is his ghillie suite??? Where is the guy advertising every little thing he uses and waittt for it. Where is the tags hanging from the animals like I see on tv now?? (yes I realy saw a hunting show where all the deer where pretagged so you knew witch one to shoot......)where is the 3k bow setups smoking deer? so who else has noticed these missing things? ps who else has awesome videos I can watch like freds? modern or older man I need more of these!!
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From: Phil Magistro
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Date: 29-Sep-14 |
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If you watch more of his videos you'll see that he had an effective but passive way of advertising. For example, his movie The Oldest Game shows Charlie Kroll and Fred packing in with just a little pack that mainly has his tent in it. As the film progresses you'll see boxes of Bear arrows and much more paraphernalia sitting and hanging around.
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From: goldentrout_one
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Date: 29-Sep-14 |
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I like when Fred uses his bow as a wading staff when he's fording a river - and when he comes up to an animal he's just killed he just chucks his bow onto the ground...
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From: flycaster
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Date: 29-Sep-14 |
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I watched an hour show on one of the outdoor cable channels a few days ago about Fred Bear. Production values were so-so, especially some very annoying background music. But the heart of the program was Mr. Bear- as most of the individuals in it called him. I also envied him because he had a home on the banks of the AuSable River east of Grayling, Michigan. A little slow, but truly worth watching if you can find it.
Chuck
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From: Blackhawk
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Date: 29-Sep-14 |
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By today's standards, they are rather elementary with novice acting and filming. Of course, film equipment was heavy and bulky and many scenes had to be staged because of lighting, location, etc.
Of course, when I first saw them in the 60's I felt I was watching an academy award winner. Fred was definitely THE MAN.
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From: Hookedspur
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Date: 29-Sep-14 |
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Check out Barry Wensels October Whitetails 1&2, and High Noon Bucks, and Paul Bruners Street Smart Bucks. Alittle more modern than Fred's , but not by much!!
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From: Zbone
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Date: 29-Sep-14 |
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"especially some very annoying background music"
Your kidding right? Compare to the junk the new celebrities put out now, I'll take that classic music of Bear videos any day over the crap they produce today...
Although I don't watch many, would personally like to hear all background music eliminated from hunting/shooting videos. Nature sounds best...
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From: buster v davenport
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Date: 29-Sep-14 |
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Check out 3Rivers for the complete Fred Bear collection and movies by Howard Hill. Even though we watched Fred on the American Sportsman, back in the '60s, and watched the Hill' movies and short films at the movie theater, it has only been in recent years that we have been able to own copies of such.
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From: Centershot
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Date: 29-Sep-14 |
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"The old man knew exactly what he was doing!"
Sure did.
We're still buying every one we can get our hands on, old & new.
Man I must of been about 10 when I first watched all that stuff on TV.
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From: hawkeye in PA
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Date: 29-Sep-14 |
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I remember they only way to see that stuff was at a Wally Taber show. Had the same effect though!!
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From: arlone
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Date: 29-Sep-14 |
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Two of my favorite "modern" DVDs are the two from Cascade Archery with Steve Gorr and Fred Anderson. I also enjoy The Best of Traditional Vision Quest, the Bill Langer DVDs and of course the Wensel/Mitten DVDs.
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From: cut it out
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Date: 29-Sep-14 |
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Yeah I love watching the bear videos! In fact it made me buy and hunt with one of his grayling hunters last year during late season. I got this big doe and dedicated the hunt to papa bear. Corny but true. Have so much respect for him as a man and a real hero to our sport.
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From: Chief RID
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Date: 29-Sep-14 |
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The man had glacial water running in his veins. A marketing genius and an excellent hunter.
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From: GLF
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Date: 29-Sep-14 |
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We used to borrow those movies from FBSC back in the 70's. Back then you needed a 16mm projector to watch em. Its much nicer seeing em on wide screen. Square misses so much.
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From: Stickbow#1
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Date: 30-Sep-14 |
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Bill Langer productions...By far my favorite traditional hunting videoes to watch.Very family oriented and has great respect and values for traditional bowhunting and the animals they persue.And he is a real good guy!Had a little mess up with one of his videos that I ordered and it wasnt even his fault. Bill personally called me....we talked archery and hunting,I asked for advice (first year going trad) and he adressed the mess up. Well a couple weeks later I got the dvd that I needed and he sent me 2 extra dvds' and 3 t- shirts just because! good guy and awesome videos....buy one and I promise you wont regret!! my favorite are the last couple he has made
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From: LBshooter
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Date: 30-Sep-14 |
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I love the old bear movies, truest view of what hunting is. I also have some of bill langer DVDs and they are most enjoyable to watch. I'm surprised he doesn't have a tv show, but I guess he would then have to act like a complete fool so maybe it's a good thing he doesn't.
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From: Matt B
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Date: 30-Sep-14 |
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In my 7th grade science class we often watched a film about some scientific stuff and wrote a page about it on Friday while the teacher got grades and plans caught up. I had heard that Fred Bear made videos and I suggested to Mr. Porter that we should watch one of Mr. Bear's movies. Then one happy Friday, the film we watched and wrote about was, I believe, "The Good Earth." I was really hooked at that point.
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From: Zman
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Date: 30-Sep-14 |
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"Who has a 3k bow setup?"
Not hard to do today with custom bows, carbons, quivers, broadheads, strings, etc.
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From: robert
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Date: 30-Sep-14 |
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I too watched a Fred Bear movie for the first time, that is the first time this week, I watch them all the time. I really enjoy all Bears stuff as well as Hill and the rest of the old timers.
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From: overbo
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Date: 30-Sep-14 |
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WOW, Sad that a lot of young archers today never seen Fred Bear videos.
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From: stagetek
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Date: 30-Sep-14 |
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They are great old films. You need to understand the way it used to be to fully appreciate them. Different times, different attitudes. The only problem I have with them and many newer ones, is that someone thought obnoxious music was mandatory !
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From: Little Delta
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Date: 01-Oct-14 |
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The old Bear videos were masterpieces in marketing. They didn't sell bows and archery equipment, they sold the experience and romance of shooting and hunting with a bow and arrow. They sure gave a passion, and established a hunting philosophy with a 16 year old kid that still burns strong almost 50 years later. With all of today's crap and clutter that dilutes the "essence", I feel bad for the younger generation.
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From: JM3
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Date: 01-Oct-14 |
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"They didn't sell bows and archery equipment, they sold the experience and romance of shooting and hunting with a bow and arrow."
Very well said.
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From: Marshallrobinson
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Date: 01-Oct-14 |
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Look on Ebay for Ben Pearson DVD or Howard hill wilderness DVD
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From: stagetek
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Date: 01-Oct-14 |
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Well said LD.
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From: limbwalker
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Date: 01-Oct-14 |
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Fred was the man.
My brother and I grew up watching his movies, reading his books, and basically wanting to be like Fred.
He was a great role model. The guys on TV today are not role models IMO.
Anyone who says "smoked 'em" is IMO being very disrespectful to the animal and to the tradition of bowhunting.
Just my .02
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From: babysaph
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Date: 01-Oct-14 |
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how come Fred didn't have any country singers in his camp singing? LOL Is it me or all these shows full of country singers and nascar guys?
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From: AustinEvans
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Date: 01-Oct-14 |
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Haha yup. Country singers (who aren't true country singers) nasal drivers, and baseball players who all love to "smoke 'em"
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From: Zbone
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Date: 01-Oct-14 |
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Hey limbwalker, nice to see you back... Hadn't seen ya post in a while...
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From: dingas
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Date: 01-Oct-14 |
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I bought the Fred Bear DVD set earlier this summer. Love em! But now I see many of the videos are up on YouTube. Go figure. Never could find em before... Still my favourite DVDs to watch now. Yes, he does pull the arrows out of a brand new Bear arrow box in just about every show, sharpens a razorhead, and uses his bow for a wading staff, throws it in the bushes, on the ground etc, but I never once heard him say he couldn't have done it without a Bear brand bow, brand x camo, etc. The advertising is all product placement, not someone plugging whatever gadget pays the most. And no whispering over a dead deer. Never could figure out why the new tv people all whisper when standing over a dead deer. It aint gonna run away.
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From: limbwalker
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Date: 01-Oct-14 |
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Thanks Z. I can't lay off a good Fred Bear thread. :D
Two of my regrets are that I never got to meet him, or Earl Hoyt Jr. At least, not in this life. I suspect there will be a few hunts, and a few archery tournaments down the road with each of them Lord willing. ;)
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From: WV Mountaineer
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Date: 01-Oct-14 |
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No compound bow, with all the gadgets you could bolt on it, cost anywhere close to $3000. He did advertise too. Say no? Why the video's then? It might have been the romance of the bowhunt, and not the gear driving his advertisement but, I seriously doubt it. Remember, somebody had to buy his bows and gear in order for him to go on those hunts. A gentlemen he was. A tactical, sharp, well thought out business man he was as well.
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From: Danny Pyle
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Date: 02-Oct-14 |
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The new shows are targeting a specific audience and we're not it!
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From: JM3
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Date: 02-Oct-14 |
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"Why the video's then?"
Perhaps in addition to the marketing aspect it was Mr. Bear's way of expressing himself artistically (pictures of him manning the camera lend some credibility to that theory) and/or for the purpose of documenting an exciting activity that occurred in places many folks would never get to visit.
Money is a required element for all of us, but there are other motivations as well.
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From: Phil Magistro
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Date: 02-Oct-14 |
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From reading books about Fred Bear, his motivation for making films was marketing. He was a very smart businessman.
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From: Marshallrobinson
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Date: 02-Oct-14 |
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"Why the video's then?" _______
Buy the Fred Bear collection and you will hear him say why himself. On one of the discs, he is interviewed and talks all about why he filmed his hunts. Cant believe anyone has to guess at this. Fred did the filming to promote bowhunting and therefore, promote his business. The reason the voice overs mention all his equipment is because the whole reason for filming was to promote his wares. He just did it tastefully as compared to today. Get the collection....Youtube is not the way to go IMO
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From: bfisherman11
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Date: 02-Oct-14 |
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I suppose the video's Fred did were to cultivate more bowhunters. I think some of the hunts were also part of his R&D on new designs (bows and equipment).
Bear archery was really into the two season hunter marketing, trying to get gun hunters to extend their season by picking up the bow. Back then guys like Fred and Glen StCharles were also fighting to change the conception that archers were just out there flinging arrows at helpless game. With videos like Fred made he showed the public how viable a hunting weapon the bow could be "IF" a guy did it the right way.
For whatever reason Fred was motivated to make these videos they are treasures for us today.
I have all that are on the market today but from reading both Fred's and Glen's books I know a lot of footage was lost.
If you have not read "Bows on the Little Delta" by Glen you need to. Also I really enjoyed Fred Bears Field notes and Bob Mungers "Trailing a Bear".
Our predecessors left us some nice history and that is not lost on this bowhunter.
Regards, Bill
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From: GLF
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Date: 02-Oct-14 |
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He used his videos to spark interest on bowhunting. The nice thing is you could borrow them free from FBSC. Pople figured he wasn't making any money on em. Heck they brought alot of people to bowhunting and sold a ton of Bear bows and arrows ,lol.
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From: limbwalker
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Date: 02-Oct-14 |
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Fred knew the more bowhunters, the more his products would sell.
That hasn't changed.
What's changed is the constant in-your-face advertising and shilling that these guys and gals do. Some of them outright lies about what they use and why they use it.
Fred did it with class. We need more of that again.
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From: George D. Stout
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Date: 02-Oct-14 |
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A large part of R&D took place on the target line and in field archery. Fred was a staple at every indoor PAA shoot, and every National outdoor tournament, and their professional archers, as well as amateurs were the ones testing limb design, riser feel, balance, etc. What they learned on the competitive field was taken to all of their bows. Target and field archers shot a hundred times more arrows out of their bows than bowhunters did so it was relevant. Not to mention most of the target archers were also hunters.
If people are shocked that Fred was promoting his business through the videos he made, then they should take a class in economics and learn what drives this country and the companies in it. To be successful, one needs to promote. Fred did it in a way that was very passive but effective....no loud guitars or loud goobers with their hats on sideways. He was the consummate professional and very customer oriented. Loved ol Papa Bear.
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From: WV Mountaineer
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Date: 02-Oct-14 |
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Hey Marshall, the Quote you posted of mine wasn't a question. It was a prose to those that had talked of the "evils" of promotion by the modern bow hunter. I KNOW why he made them. Others it seems, aren't so clear on that. God Bless
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From: Gaur
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Date: 03-Oct-14 |
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I've been reading his Field Notes. He sure seemed to enjoy himself on those hunts as well
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