From: JustSomeDude
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Date: 28-Sep-14 |
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I have an ALICE pack (with the bag) that I am going to use for meat hauling. Whitetail in game bags just in the 1/2-1 mile range.
What shelf should I look for?
Would I better off removing the Bag and just putting a double shelf on or just stuff Game Bags in the ALICE Bag with one shelf on the bottom?
I am guessing there are guys around here with plenty of firsthand experience with these.
Thanks
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From: Bowrunner
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Date: 28-Sep-14 |
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in the past, I used a radio plate for the alice pack and then screwed on a piece of half inch plywood and tied para cord from the two outside corners back to the middle of the frame. I lashed the quartered animal to my packframe. If there was more than on load I would leave the pack. if not I had some extra para cord and lashed it over the quarter. I usually had an extra shirt and a few essentials in the pack.
You can also make your own shelf using all types of material.
I hope this helps
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From: TRS
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Date: 28-Sep-14 |
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On mine I just use rope to go from the bottom of the frame and it kind of pods the meat in, 3 or 4 ropes/cord.
I've hauled full body deer strapped to the frame and an old poncho acting like sled under its hinds, poncho attached to the frame but it has to keep slack or you can rip even the tuffet poncho.
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From: Eric Krewson
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Date: 28-Sep-14 |
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There is a shelf that is made to fit an Alice frame but it doesn't fit tightly and is pretty small, I have one somewhere.
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From: Onehair
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Date: 29-Sep-14 |
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If your talking about whitetails, I have packed out dozens with the pack only, no frame. I line with a garbage bag, drop in the quartered deer and go.
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From: JustSomeDude
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Date: 29-Sep-14 |
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I Just cleaned up the bag and it was in better shape than I thought.
I'm going to get an extra set of straps for the old frame and experiment with this pack a bit. Thanks for the tips
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From: 2nocks
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Date: 30-Sep-14 |
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Get the molle straps and waistbelt and attach to alice pack. I've been looking to buy this one already done.
http://tonystactical.com/index.php? main_page=product_info&cPath=2&products_id=3
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From: JustSomeDude
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Date: 30-Sep-14 |
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Mikieg
Are you sure it is a "Bearcat"? I'm only seeing Ruger pistols and Uniden Scanners.
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From: Sidmand
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Date: 30-Sep-14 |
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i think it's called a 'hellcat' rig, it's the original ALICE pack but using the new MOLLE frame and suspension.
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From: 2nocks
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Date: 30-Sep-14 |
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Yes, its called the Hellcat. in addition to the one I mention above Old grouch also sells them assembled or assemble yourself. Tough to beat that combination for the price.
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From: JustSomeDude
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Date: 30-Sep-14 |
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The Old Grouch Hellcat looks like a great deal. It uses the Large pack
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From: Daddy Bear
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Date: 30-Sep-14 |
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Learn to tie a simple diamond hitch. Even if you stuff the meat into the attached bag, you can easily cinch everything down snug using a diamond hitch without any type of shelf. If you just have the frame and no bag, stuff the meat in some type of game bag and cinch it to the frame using a diamond hitch. Very easy to do with a little practice.
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From: JustSomeDude
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Date: 15-Oct-14 |
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I've just put MOLLE Backpack straps on this frame. A very nice upgrade. Will slowly become a "Hellcat". Will pick up a Kidney pad for it eventually but it's pretty nice now. Going to take it camping in a couple of weeks.
Will likely pick up an extra frame at some point so I can keep the pack for camping,
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From: Fisher Cat
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Date: 15-Oct-14 |
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Alice and I go way back. The frames are pretty small, not all that sturdy, and were specifically designed to inflict enough pain to keep a man awake long after he is dead. I still have one, but there are much better alternatives out there for hauling meat. - John
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From: Crossed Arrows
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Date: 08-May-15 |
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Fisher Cat - That is a picture of a real field soldier. No Hollywood stuff there. By the look in your eyes, you might be thinking: "This damned ruck is pulling my brain out of my scull!"
I bet when you came in from the field and offloaded your stuff, you were bouncing each time you walked for a couple of days.
Coincidently, my team field tested a few of the prototypes of the original Alice pack in 1972. We gave a write-up of our recommendations to the Natick Army Laboratory and they incorporated some of them before it was finally approved and put into service in '73, I think. It was a much better pack than the Jungle Rucksack we carried in Viet Nam or the old Mountain Rucksack that was still a favorite of many guys until the Alice.
I still have that pack somewhere and probably should trade it or sell it because I don't ever want to have that look on my face again. My back hurts all the time without carrying that load.
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From: Fisher Cat
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Date: 08-May-15 |
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Crossed Arrows - Thankfully, I think it DID pull my brain out of my skull! As they say, "No brain, no pain!"
That picture was taken at REFORGER in 83' or 84'. We jumped into a German turnip field and humped 8-9 miles to an LZ where helicopters picked us up and took us to a rear area camp which included this "Beer Tent" (go figure).
Back in those days I weighed an honest 135 lbs and our rucks (in THAT unit) were normally about 120 lbs. It took incredible determination and probably did the most to build my character and make me who I am today. I'm sure you understand. Take care! - John
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From: Crossed Arrows
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Date: 08-May-15 |
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Was the turnip field called Kuhberg DZ at Bad Kreuznach, by any chance? I jumped that one quite a few times while on jump status in the 8th Inf Div. We had an airborne mechanized (!) brigade at Mainz in the early 70s. They moved that brigade to Italy and I think it was reflagged as the old 173rd.
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From: Fisher Cat
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Date: 08-May-15 |
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I don't remember Robert, but those damned turnips were HUGE and made for an interesting landing. Coincidentally, a friend of mine landed on his ruck. The tubular part of the frame separated from the flat part and was driven into his kneecap. Amazingly, he seemed to be as good as new in a month or so.
It probably was a regular DZ since there was little imagination in those days. I do remember hearing some talk of reparations for damages throughout the exercise though. Overall it was a good time and we got to go to Octoberfest as a perk! - John
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From: SWAG
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Date: 08-May-15 |
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They make a large ALICE Back Pack also still fits regular frame...
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From: Stikbow
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Date: 08-May-15 |
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I wish I had such a pack. We used the same one fro WWII, until you could trade an army guy for an aluminum framed ranger pack, still have one in the attic
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From: DiamondD
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Date: 10-May-15 |
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I'm with Fisher Cat. I've humped an Alice all over creation and there are now hundreds of packs that are so much better.
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From: JustSomeDude
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Date: 21-May-16 |
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I replaced the shoulder straps and kidney belt with new MOLLE versions. Much better. Then recently I got hold of a MOLLE frame and rigged the Alice onto it. Seems good.
I'm sure there's better out there. The pack is so tough though
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From: Kodiaktd
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Date: 21-May-16 |
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I used an Alice Pack the eight years I was in the Army. And I used one the first couple years I hunted elk in Colorado and it worked ok. But I have to agree with DiamondD and Fisher Cat there are better ones out there for packing out meat specially if your packing out an elk, moose, or other large animal.
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From: loose arrow
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Date: 22-May-16 |
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If I may, Thank you for your service guys.
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From: Michael Schwister
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Date: 22-May-16 |
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I have been using a large ALICE for over 30 years (20 of it in the army). I know it holds at least one half of an adult cow elk (boned out). Depending on the size of whitetail the but end may fit and lash the top to the top frame. Just a 1x12 about 2 1/2 feet long stuck into the pack upright may work too. I have a freighter pack with the shelf, but I only used it once-never again. Large ALICE rocks.
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From: Michael Schwister
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Date: 22-May-16 |
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This pic was with a freighter pack in 2010. The Large ALICE is much more comfortable. I have been wearing the 1050 field cap (patrol cap) for 30 years also
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From: Michael Schwister
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Date: 22-May-16 |
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This is another option for elk (2015). We (my cousin and I) took out the front shoulders and spike gear on trip one to base camp to strip down and get our rucks. Second trip took all the rest. Karl has a modern pack, and he was catching on brush the whole trip. Large ALICE sits low and did not catch once. I never use the waistbelt, it was SOP in the first unit and just never got used to it after that.
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