From: Rhettro
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Date: 16-Sep-14 |
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Saw a clip of the BPS pro shop compound expert talking about arrow SPLINE. I understood it as spine deflection. Is this an interchangeable term or is it referring to something else?
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From: George D. Stout
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Date: 16-Sep-14 |
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No it is not and shows some of the misinformation you can get on those shows. Spine means spine....just like yours. It needs to bend to work properly.
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From: George D. Stout
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Date: 16-Sep-14 |
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pline spl?n/ noun noun: spline; plural noun: splines; noun: spline curve; plural noun: spline curves
1. a rectangular key fitting into grooves in the hub and shaft of a wheel, especially one formed integrally with the shaft that allows movement of the wheel on the shaft. a corresponding groove in a hub along which the key may slide. 2. a slat. a flexible wood or rubber strip used especially in drawing large curves. 3. Mathematics a continuous curve constructed so as to pass through a given set of points and have a certain number of continuous derivatives.
verb verb: spline; 3rd person present: splines; past tense: splined; past participle: splined; gerund or present participle: splining
1. secure (a part) by means of a spline. fit with a spline. "splined freewheels"
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From: joep003
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Date: 16-Sep-14 |
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Depends on the context in which it was used. "Spline" also refers to a side that's predominantly stiffer than all the others. Were they trying to make sure the spline on all arrows was set the same in relationship to the cock feather?
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From: Rhettro
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Date: 16-Sep-14 |
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Not sure caught just a bit. He said spline twice though
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From: aromakr
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Date: 16-Sep-14 |
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joep003: The word "Spline" has no place in the sport of archery, period. It is merely the uninformed claiming they are informed. Bob
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From: Old School
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Date: 16-Sep-14 |
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joep003, if it was a "compound expert" I would think he would have been using carbon or aluminum arrows. They are uniformly stiff, no grain orientation issue as we see with wood shafts, so I don't see the "spline" context you refer to. In all the reading I've ever done the correct word in archery is "spine". My two cents.
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From: Harleywriter
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Date: 16-Sep-14 |
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Spine -- as in how stiff is your spine? Can you stand up to the neighborhood bullies?
Spine as in how stiff is your arrow shaft?
Spline: What George said.
We are becoming a nation of illiterates. Buy a damned dictionary and use it.
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From: raghorn
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Date: 16-Sep-14 |
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Must be true.....it was on TV. Bonjour.
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From: Harleywriter
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Date: 16-Sep-14 |
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Didn't mean to come off as a know it all but I made my livelihood off grammar and words and thoughts and sentences and there are reasons why this stuff is important.
Nowadays people don't know the difference between bring and take or to, two and too and a lot of other things.
There are reasons why students used to have to diagram sentences just as there are reasons to study Latin and geometry and history.
And, yes, it is archery related.
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From: elkslayer4x5
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Date: 16-Sep-14 |
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As someone who makes his living off grammar, words, thoughts, and sentences, it must drive you nuts when people use and in place of an.
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From: doug
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Date: 16-Sep-14 |
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they don't even teach cursive writing in school now.
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From: Rhettro
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Date: 16-Sep-14 |
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What about the difference between farther and further? Haha
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From: George D. Stout
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Date: 16-Sep-14 |
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Nothing. The farther I go, the further I get behind. Mostly, writers consider farther to be a physical distance, while further more metaphorical. That said, it isn't a grammatical faux pas to use either for the most part.
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From: George D. Stout
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Date: 16-Sep-14 |
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Yeah, you can probably make car and oatmeal mean the same if you dug far enough. They are not the same.
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From: Jeff Durnell
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Date: 16-Sep-14 |
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I'm with George. No call for 'spline' in archery. I've heard it mistakenly used by some archers when they really meant 'spine'. It instantly discredits them IMO.
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From: Harleywriter
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Date: 16-Sep-14 |
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Without going to much further into this, we may have gone too far as it is. Further usually denotes a degree of something and farther deals with distance.
Farther and further is about like George said.
More obvious mistakes are like prostate and prostrate. One is a gland the other is a condition of lying flat.
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From: Tuckerdog
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Date: 16-Sep-14 |
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I had a heck of a time lining up the splines putting a clutch in my truck without a pilot shaft... maybe I should have used an arrow (:
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From: Harleywriter
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Date: 16-Sep-14 |
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One of my favorites was in a classified ad in the local newspaper. The seller had a Jeep with a wench.
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From: Penny Banks
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Date: 16-Sep-14 |
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"The word "Spline" has no place in the sport of archery, period. It is merely the uninformed claiming they are informed. Bob"
I very seldom use the word "spline" these days (I no longer enjoy the arguments like I used to) but I will think it for the rest of my life.
I spent a lot of hours in a custom rod shop finding the "spline" in a rod blank before setting up the guides and grip. Spline on the top of the shaft for a plug rod and the bottom for a spinner. It is also my understanding that some carbon shafts, most notably the Grizzly Stiks, have a notable "spline" or stiff side to the shaft.
So in my heart of hearts I know there is a spline on some shafts and to me it will always be archery rated.
On the other hand those that think the stiffness, or resistance, of an arrow shaft is the spline, are probably beyond help.
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From: joep003
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Date: 16-Sep-14 |
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The arrow I have in my hand at this very moment, an Easton A/C/E carbon commemorative Olympic arrow, definitely has a "spline;" a side that's predominantly stiffer than all the others. It's as easily determined as the spline on a fishing rod blank. I can't speak to whether other carbon/aluminum arrow shafts are uniformly stiff with no grain orientation issues ("spline"), but this one certainly has one. I also can't speak to whether there's a viable need to determine the spline on an arrow, or whether the word has a place in the sport of archery, but I also can't rule out the possibility that the BPS pro shop compound expert was using the word "spline" in its proper context.
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From: Old Crow
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Date: 16-Sep-14 |
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That's about like someone calling a silver in-line muzzlerloader with a scope, pyrodex pellets and rifle bullet, "using a Traditional muzzleloader." to hunt with. Saw that on Outdoor Channel years ago, before I had that channel removed from my T.V. package. And the guy talking was old enough to know better, but then I reckon he couldn't have advertised all those new products.
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From: Old Crow
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Date: 16-Sep-14 |
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That's about like someone calling a silver in-line muzzlerloader with a scope, pyrodex pellets and rifle bullet, "using a Traditional muzzleloader." to hunt with. Saw that on Outdoor Channel years ago, before I had that channel removed from my T.V. package. And the guy talking was old enough to know better, but then I reckon he couldn't have advertised all those new products.
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From: Old Crow
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Date: 16-Sep-14 |
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Sorry about the double post!
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From: inrut
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Date: 16-Sep-14 |
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You guys are two much. Anyone want too go too the archery shoot. I here for first prize there going two give away to hundred dollars. I they're first time doing it. We can meet their or hear at my house.
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From: badger
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Date: 16-Sep-14 |
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All arrows have a spine, many arrows have a spline.
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From: robert
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Date: 16-Sep-14 |
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Could you please splane that one more time Lucy.
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From: Rhettro
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Date: 16-Sep-14 |
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That is hilarious inrut! I needed that!
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From: Danny Pyle
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Date: 16-Sep-14 |
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It's not just the tv shows, I hear the same thing all the time at archery shoots!
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From: SB
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Date: 16-Sep-14 |
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joep003..... Obviously you havn't 't been paying attention! SPLINE is not an archery OR rod building term ! The word is SPINE! The only time I was concerned with SPLINES was the 42 yrs. I spent as a mechanic!
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From: Phil
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Date: 16-Sep-14 |
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Just for fun .....
In mathematics, a spline is a numeric function that is piecewise-defined by polynomial functions, and which possesses a sufficiently high degree of smoothness at the places where the polynomial pieces connect
S: [a,b]\to=>{R} on an interval [a,b] composed of k subintervals [t,{i-1}, t,i]
with a = t_0 < t_1 < t_{k-1} < t_k = b.
The restriction of S to an interval i is a polynomial
P_i: [t_{i-1}, t_i] \to \mathbb{R},
so that
S(t) = P_1 (t) \mbox{ , } t_0 \le t < t_1
, S(t) = P_2 (t) \mbox{ , } t_1 \le t < t_2
S(t) = P_k (t) \mbox{ , } t_{k-1} \le t \le t_{k}.
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From: babysaph
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Date: 16-Sep-14 |
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I hate it when my arrows are not spined right
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From: Harleywriter
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Date: 16-Sep-14 |
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Hey Wade, we're all just having a little fun while at the same time pointing out what is correct terminology. I try very hard and have for the past 25 years to prevent someone from perverting Montana's bow season and there have been many attempts.
Not sure I understand the defined bow season using a defined bow remark in this context but we do have a defined bow season and defined bows so I think we are on the same team.
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From: reddogge
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Date: 16-Sep-14 |
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Uh Elitist....it's mere not meer.
Der Grammar Nazi
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From: joep003
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Date: 16-Sep-14 |
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"joep003..... Obviously you havn't 't been paying attention! SPLINE is not an archery OR rod building term ! The word is SPINE! The only time I was concerned with SPLINES was the 42 yrs. I spent as a mechanic!"
SB, I'm quite certain I used the term correctly in the context in which I described the term, and I'm also quite certain that it is indeed a rod building term if not an archery related term. See https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4MXGB_enUS585US586&q=spline+in+relation+to+a+side+that%27s+predominantly+stiffer+than+all+the+others.
I'm no etymologist so I can't say where the term originated in relation to tubular composite materials, but the term was in wide, common use even before I built my first fly rod in the early 70's. Since the term's common usage is in reference to tubular composite materials that have a side that's predominantly stiffer than all the others, it seems reasonably that the term also would apply to tubular composite arrows and, therefore, the term also would be an "archery related" term.
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From: Rhettro
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Date: 16-Sep-14 |
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Yeah but the guy on tv was the BPS archery guru. Standing in front of hundreds of bows hanging on the walls.
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From: Phil
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Date: 16-Sep-14 |
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... it's "holier than thou"
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From: Jim Casto Jr
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Date: 16-Sep-14 |
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Curious. I wonder... was that BPS “compound expert” was an older fellow?
When I started in archery, over 50 years ago, many folks referred to spine, as “spline”. I guess we didn’t know any better, but we knew what the other guy was talking about.
I liken it to the guy who asks for a Kleenex, when he wants a tissue, or the guy who wants a Xerox copy, rather than a photocopy. Not a big deal, huh?
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From: George Tsoukalas
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Date: 16-Sep-14 |
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Spine refers to stiffness.
I've made arrows with splines.
They are little pieces of wood, bone or horn inserted into a wooden nock with the grain so that s groove can be cut at right angles to the grain making a reenforced nock.
Jawge
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From: Harleywriter
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Date: 16-Sep-14 |
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Kleenex and tissue and Xerox rather than photocopy are different. They are brand names for generic items. Spline is wrong, spine is correct.
But again, a lot of this is all in fun. Still, why be wrong when you can be right?
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From: Phil
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Date: 16-Sep-14 |
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...." I've made arrows with splines.
They are little pieces of wood, bone or horn inserted into a wooden nock "
..... isn't that a splice ? :)
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From: Rhettro
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Date: 16-Sep-14 |
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Seriously it's all in good fun. It was a young guy. his last name was Treadwell and he obviously kills many big bucks for the show. I'm just funning around.;
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From: Rocky
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Date: 16-Sep-14 |
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Spline: a thin wood or metal strip used in building construction. 2: a key that is fixed to one or two connected mechanical parts and fits into a keyway in the other. also a keyway for such a key.
That's what I was taught in machine shop and what I made as a tool and die maker. Never heard it used as stiffness.
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From: Dan W
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Date: 16-Sep-14 |
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Well, an underspined spline might bend & break in the keyway.
"When the spine of the spline is in line with what's fine then the result is divine."
-I think we've now 'splained spline & spine to death... I'm stopping here!
-Dan
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From: George Tsoukalas
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Date: 16-Sep-14 |
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No, Phil, I splice joins 2 pieces of wood together. Jawge
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From: doug
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Date: 16-Sep-14 |
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what the!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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From: Phil
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Date: 16-Sep-14 |
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George .. that's what I get for being a smart a**e
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From: Rocky
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Date: 16-Sep-14 |
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Spine for stiffness, Spline for aligning.
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From: Red Beastmaster
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Date: 16-Sep-14 |
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The three that always make me cringe are:
I "knocked" an arrow.
Deer "horns".
I'm "learnin'" ma boy howda hunt.
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From: Jeff Durnell
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Date: 16-Sep-14 |
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One thing I've learned is that its ok to let folks be wrong when they wanna be.
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From: r.grider
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Date: 16-Sep-14 |
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One of my pet peevees when somebody calls it "Spline"
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From: Harleywriter
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Date: 16-Sep-14 |
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Good words, Jeff Durnell. However, when it is the written word and when the subject comes up like this one did, the old editor in me demands that I try to correct it...and to have some fun doing it but not at the person's expense.
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From: Recurve Crafter
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Date: 17-Sep-14 |
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Yep, some people just don't pronounce things as they are spelled, no biggie.
I wouldn't think any less of them for it.
Like Jim Castro mentioned, that's actually how some old school guys learned to say it.
My dad is one of them.
He started working in my uncle's archery shop making arrows back in the early 1960's when he was only about 8 years old.
He's probably hand spined more arrow shafts than a lot of guys have shot in their lifetime, but he still pronounces "arrow spine" as "arrow spline"...lol
And if you ever made the mistake of trying to correct him, or made fun of him for it, he'd probably knock you on your a$$...lol
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From: SB
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Date: 17-Sep-14 |
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What more would you expect from the Outdoor channel "experts"! They all hunt with the latest tricked out 2000.00 wheel bow, and call it a stick and a string!
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From: cyrille
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Date: 17-Sep-14 |
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The "dumbing down" of this country started (IMO) in the 1950s There was a very popular book at that time titled "Why Johnny Can't Read" and it "splained " what was going on in the P.S. system. Nothing, however was done to correct the errors pointed out and things just kept getting worser and worser... and now there are two many P.S. "educated" people that haven't the foggiest idea of the difference between Illusive and Elusive!
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From: 4nolz@work
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Date: 17-Sep-14 |
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tmar
too much anal retention
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From: Will tell
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Date: 17-Sep-14 |
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It's not good if you don't have enough spine in your shaft.x
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From: Harleywriter
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Date: 17-Sep-14 |
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Many people blame TV....but, I think the dumbing down would have happened anyway. Hey, we celebrate it! "Dumb and Dumber," "Jack Ass 1, 2, 3, 4 ad infinitum....
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From: THRC
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Date: 17-Sep-14 |
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The really hard part is convincing the old wench to give you the $$$ for the new winch.......
Tinhorn
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From: yahooty
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Date: 17-Sep-14 |
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Harleyrider, shouldn't you have placed a comma after the word "all" and before "but I made my livelihood off grammar and words..."?
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From: N. Y. Yankee
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Date: 17-Sep-14 |
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People get used to saying things a certain way and most of them will never change even if you do tell them. My dad has a bad problem with "wrote" and "written". He mixes up the two and Ive tried to help him a hundred times to no avail.
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From: WV Mountaineer
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Date: 17-Sep-14 |
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The comma always follows the conjunction when only using one conjunction. Never before. So the proper grammar would see the sentence as this. " I Didn't mean to come off as a know- it-all but, I've made a livelihood off of grammar, words, thoughts, and sentences. There are reasons why this stuff is so important."
Made correct as he typed it. "Didn't mean to come off as a know it all but, I made my livelihood off grammar, and words, and thoughts, and sentences and, there are reasons why this stuff is important."
Just sayin... Honestly, these new grammar changes are different from the days Harley was in school. So, it should be understood he isn't wrong, just outdated. :^)
God Bless
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From: Harleywriter
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Date: 17-Sep-14 |
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Outdated for sure and old on top of that. Yes, grammar rules change, too. Thank you, WV.
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From: roger
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Date: 17-Sep-14 |
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"I liken it to the guy who asks for a Kleenex, when he wants a tissue, or the guy who wants a Xerox copy, rather than a photocopy. Not a big deal, huh?""
Those are good ones, Kev', but I just *LOVE IT* when guys refer to all modern string materials as "Fastflight" :)
I worked in an archery shop for the better part of a decade as a staff shooter and 'tech'. "Spline" actually became one of our best running inside jokes among those who worked the shop. We'd hear it weekly most times.
A guy at work the other day explained to me how he cleaned the "chimaley" in his home........I laughed my ass off - he had no idea why.
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From: Harleywriter
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Date: 17-Sep-14 |
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And, one more thing: We all need editors, even editors. I noticed I mistyped a too up there somewhere. That leads me to observe that when this program allows us to edit our posts, we all will come off that much brighter! Smile.
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From: wayfarer
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Date: 17-Sep-14 |
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I want a jeep with a wench. :(
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From: WV Mountaineer
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Date: 17-Sep-14 |
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Harley, your fine and we all need editing. I'm the worst speller in the world. I'm so bad the spell check doesn't recognize it sometimes. I appreciate you taking that in the humor it was meant. God Bless
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From: Frisky
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Date: 18-Sep-14 |
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I was checking the spline on my arrows and decided to use a Blitzenburger to fletch them up. Where the heck are these Ls coming from?
Joe
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From: Dan In MI
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Date: 18-Sep-14 |
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Blitzenburger on the grill sounds pretty good right now.
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From: inrut
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Date: 18-Sep-14 |
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i know I screw it up sometimes to, but this is why it's important.
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From: inrut
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Date: 18-Sep-14 |
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See, just screwed it up, to-too. Too as in also.
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From: Dan In MI
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Date: 18-Sep-14 |
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KPC, Got it. Mum's the word.
Another vote for proper grammar. I saw this on a shirt recently.
Let's eat, Grandma -- vs -- Let's eat Grandma.
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From: bowbender
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Date: 18-Sep-14 |
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There was a conference of Linguists and a noted speaker was asked to give an easily understood definition or the words "complete" and "finished" and as to how they were different. His answer was something like; "If you marry the right woman, you are a complete man" "If you marry the wrong woman, you are a finished man" and "If the right woman finds you with the wrong woman...you are completely finished." Not that this has anything to do with this thread, but I wonder what the linguist would have said about spine vs. spline? For me, I have understood it to be spine, but I always figure if the other guy says spline, I know what he is talking about. Just my 2+ cents. Shoot straight everyone!
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From: George D. Stout
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Date: 18-Sep-14 |
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I seen that once, but I was two busy too pay much attension. But yu no what thay say....kay sara sara.
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From: Harleywriter
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Date: 18-Sep-14 |
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This thread has amused me for nigh on to three days. Thank you all. Leatherwall and its posters can make the difference on a dark day.
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From: 4nolz@work
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Date: 18-Sep-14 |
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The first day of Vet School they made it perfectly clear that "pussy" was not a word.
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From: 4nolz@work
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Date: 18-Sep-14 |
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(to describe pus)
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From: yahooty
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Date: 18-Sep-14 |
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I was just mess'n with ya. I'm terrible at spelling as well as grammar. I'm the last one that wants to have his writings scrutinized.
I shouldn't have posted that Harley.
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From: Rhettro
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Date: 18-Sep-14 |
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Meet Bob and his new dog, Dick. Or, meet Bob and his...............never mind.
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From: wayfarer
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Date: 19-Sep-14 |
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Is that jeep with the wench still available? giggity...
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From: Osr144
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Date: 29-Sep-14 |
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Here is another one I saw on youtube a dad showing his kid how to knock an arrow. Aparantly you notch it on the string. I may have fked up cause I have been knocking my arrows for 49 years now.Must be wrong. Yeah and my arrows have never been Spline tested either. I also thought that it was transmitions and axels where one would find splines. I must be a real dunb fk. Hey ? OSR
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From: Moon
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Date: 29-Sep-14 |
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I should go warsh the car, reading this is causing my prostrate to hurt
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From: George Tsoukalas
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Date: 30-Sep-14 |
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Some want to rewrite archery history. It is a tongue twister. Especially if one is new to our pastime and has never heard the term used properly. But it is spine in archery. I go to a chiropractor every other week. I guarantee he does not work on my spline. Jawge
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From: GLF
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Date: 30-Sep-14 |
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I've heard the word spline misused off and on ever since I've been in archery, usually by guys who think they know everything about archery. They've never seen the word in writing, just heard someone else mispronounce it.
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