From: adirondackman
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Date: 31-Aug-14 |
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Either I'm Busted or all this tuning nonsense is. Take 6 arrows that have a wide range of spines and put different heads on them and then different fletching's and shoot them at a target from the same range. If I'm right they will all hit in different places. If I'm wrong they will group together by similar specs. I have done this experiment with myself and many friends. Guess What? Arrow specs. had nothing to do with impact point. Have fun with that one.
Obviously if arrow specs. are so important there would be a consistent Placement. Try it and prove it for your self.
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From: Phil Magistro
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Date: 31-Aug-14 |
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I have too many bows and way too many arrows. I have some bows that shoot the same arrow but, in most cases, I can see the difference in arrow flight and impact if I pick up arrows that aren't matched to the bow.
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From: Stumpkiller
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Date: 31-Aug-14 |
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For the test sample we'd need to know how you group with six matched arrows. ;-)
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From: Bentstick54
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Date: 31-Aug-14 |
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Even though they may hit at the same spot, how much energy is lost by fish tailing or porpoising in fight. May not matter if you do not hunt, but if you do, it will definitely effect penetration!
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From: RymanCat
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Date: 01-Sep-14 |
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Its necessary learning about the bows trajectory and where to place the arrow as well. Not all points shoot the same either not just the arrow.
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From: Tajue17
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Date: 01-Sep-14 |
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try that test with broadheads then go back to 15 or 20yds,, please do that for us.
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From: Linecutter
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Date: 02-Sep-14 |
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Take 6 arrows with a wide range in spines on them and different points. First off you don't say what point weights on what spined arrows. I shoot a 2117 and a 2219 out of the same bow and get perfect arrow flight out of each, those 2 shafts are a pretty good spine variance. The key is what weight point is on the front end of them. The 2117 gets a 175gr point and the 2219 gets a 225gr point. If I would reverse the point weight on both shafts neither would fly straight they may end up at the same point of impact depending on the distance but the flight would be far from acceptable. DANNY
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From: GF
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Date: 02-Sep-14 |
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FWIW….
When I took my Bighorn for a “test drive”, I shot it side-by-side with my Howatt Hunter. Both are 62”, #55@ 28”. And I shot about 8-9 arrows in 4 shaft sizes; 4 trad-lite carbons and 3 flavors of aluminum I had banging around. I don’t recall exactly, but I’m pretty sure they were 2018s, 2213s, 2216s and possibly an old, old 2117 thrown in for giggles. All arrows (regardless of length) would have been right around 27.75” to BOP, and points were all 125 FPs. I more or less alternated shots with aluminum and carbon, though of course I couldn’t completely ignore which material I was using on a given shot, so it was less than completely blind & randomized testing…
Hunter shot 1 big group about 10”, but basically centered on target and no discernible trends as to which arrows struck where. Fair shooting at 20 yards, but not enough to get excited about.
Bighorn shot 2 much smaller groups. On the same 10” diameter circle, the carbons grouped into about 3” dead center, and the rest dropped into a 4” group at the 8 o’clock mark. I could hardly believe it, so I did it a couple more times with essentially the same results.
So even though the range of spines wasn’t huge, I think it shows that if you have a well-tuned bow that you shoot pretty well, the arrow specs will indeed affect your POI to the degree that you will have to compensate for it by learning a new sight picture.
What I’m less sure of is whether I just really shoot the Bighorn that much better, or if the Howatt was simply not tuned properly, because honestly, I used to shoot the Howatt very well indeed…
So in re the OP… If you can’t tell the difference between arrows of appreciably different specs, you need to work on your tuning or your shooting or both. But don’t blame the bow, and don’t delude yourself into some crap about how it doesn’t really matter, ‘cuz it DO.
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From: yorktown5
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Date: 02-Sep-14 |
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I guess I was too direct in calling out the "it doesn't matter" poster because Phil deleted the other thread with only one post after mine.
All the "it didn't matter" poster proves is he and friends aren't good enough to tell that there IS a difference.
If you are of the mindset that a pie plate at 20 yards accuracy is all you need to go deer hunting, well then yes any forgiving bow and most any reasonably close arrow WILL fit. But as GF writes and to which I AGREE, just because you have low skills and low expectations and prefer to delude yourself that minimally acceptable accuracy is good enough; don't expect us to agree with you.
As I wrote there, when I miss I want to know it was my error and not because my bow and arrows are not perfectly matched. The "good enough" fellow will never know why he missed.
Still stronger, I believe to NOT go afield with the best possible setup smacks of laziness or ignorance. The animals we hunt deserve every effort we can muster to the end of a quick kill.
R.
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From: Ranger
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Date: 02-Sep-14 |
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Tuning matters, the better you shoot the better you can tune. I have been lucky to shoot with and around some great shooters and their set ups are tuned and their arrows are as close as possible in specs. They shoot well on the target range and on game.
People can post all kinds of crazy stuff on any internet forum. We are not exempt from it, but we certianly don't have to believe it. The same OP has been posting that form and tuning don't matter for several weeks now. Maybe the way he shoots, tuning and form do not matter, but to me they do.
Life is short, enjoy shooting your bow and go hunting!
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From: corndogarchers
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Date: 02-Sep-14 |
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Stand behind and watch a really good archers setup during the shot. See how the arrow comes off the bow. Be honest with yourself and you will know that tuning matters. A lot!!!!! It's so hard not to fall in love with perfect arrow flight. I can't believe that anyone who enjoys traditional archery could argue this fact
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From: pdk25
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Date: 03-Sep-14 |
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Well, I grabbed the arrows that were setup for 50# bow cut pretty far from center accidentally and went turkey hunting with a 60 pound bow cut more to center with a big Simmons treeshark on the business end and 3 fletch 4" feathers. I had a nice tom dead to rights at 12 yards. On the release, I knew that I had killed him, until I saw the arrow hook to the left of the bird. At 12 yards! I went home and shot at my targets with the same setup and watched the same thing happen, barely hitting the target at 12 yards. If I had gone back further I would have missed the target entirely. The arrows were hitting the target and barely sticking in because they were angled so steeply from the severe hook. Grabbed the 50# bow, and was stacking them in the center with perfect flight. I have arrows that are spined properly now and fly very well out of the 60# bow. I have had friends witness this as well. Frankly, you are just mistaken that it can' make a difference.
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