gonna hunt em tomorrow, what do i need to get em ready for the bow

If you are hunting them in Arkansas, according to the laws I found you will be killing them illegally. Please correct me if I missed some ryder or addendum to the laws regarding same.

"Killing The killing of any non-game amphibian or reptile is illegal unless it proves to be an imminent threat to persons or property (i.e. livestock or pets). This applies even to venomous snakes."

There are many states that prohibit or limit the take on reptiles. I find it interesting that people do not read the states regs on snakes, but post pictures of themselves in violation.....

Lol.Go gettem.

Farmers can get permits to remove them from ponds...

I'm with 4nolz :)

I liked Jerry Clower the comedian's story about going to the rattlesnake roundup."The ASPCA was there making sure they killed the rattle snakes right.Man, how can you kill a rattlesnake wrong!"LOL

Game laws are game laws. Those that break game laws have a title: poacher

Makes others wonder what other game laws can be so casually dismissed by such persons?

If people fear snakes so bad, stay in the house......

Snake killing is just a gateway to spotlighting deer for sure.

As far as I'm concerned I've never seen a poisonous snake that didn't " proves to be an imminent threat to persons or property". If only threatening to reproduce. I own a blood trailing dog. AND I'll be glad to take the abuse for that statement.

Bowmania

I don't want to get embroiled in the snake thing again, but I disagree with killing native species for no purpose other then you just dislike them,

For the record I don't kill them even in my yard my skins are roadkills.But I don't police or judge what others do.

Judge what others do? Forewarned is forearmed and ignorance of the law is no excuse. Killing game illegally is poaching, so do as your personal ethics allow. If you get caught, then you will pay the fines, etc. To me poaching is poaching...so don't let me catch you doing it around me.

You guys are easy he lead you all to the slaughter.LOL

Baited the trap and look who got caught.LOL

All most all states have laws against killing reptiles and amphibians unless you have a permit or there is a season on them or special circumstances.

Most are protected and you can understand why they have to be from the numerous snake threads on here.

Most have to attitude "the only good snake is a dead snake"

Girly men if you ask me.

Im no fan of the snake. But have learned to respect them and not kill them out of fear anymore.

I have two fears that I have occassional nightmares about.

One is rattlers.

I suppose if you were to go for a walk in the woods with your dog and came across a snake that "proves to be an imminent threat to persons or property (i.e. livestock or pets)" then I suppose such a snake would need killin'.

Venomous snakes serve no purpose. The rat snakes can handle the rodent population just fine.

You guys are funny. We usually don't check our snakes in so no one knows if we kill. I kill all poisonous snakes and will continue to do so. Legal or not.

"Venomous snakes serve no purpose"

" I kill all poisonous snakes and will continue to do so. Legal or not."

Really?

Ignorance is bliss...carry on guys.

I’m not a snake enthusiast (poisonous or nonpoisonous), but won’t illegally kill them out of ignorance or fear. If a snake or any animal poses an immediate threat that can’t be avoided I wouldn’t have a problem exterminating the critter, but in the meantime, I’ll just try to be cautious and watch my step.

I bet some of you would have killed this one.My son brought this one to the house the other day and wanted to keep him mom said no snakes in the house.

Say what you want. I know they serve a purpose but will still kill em. I know they serve a purpose but so do yellow jackets and wasps. I kill them too. Catch me if you can. hahahahaha.

And I have seen some big named bowmakers offer snake skins for their bows. Wonder where they get em. You guys need to check them out. LOL

babysaph,exactly!Three Rivers sells them too. And I bet there's no Goodyear marks on them either :)

MikeW, please tell me what a copperhead or rattler does that a king, rat or milk snake can't do...besides put people in the hospital. I'm far from a snake hater and I don't have an irrational fear of snakes. I have a large black rat snake that is a regular around my place and I'm always happy to see him. All the non-venomous snakes on my property get left alone to keep the rodents in check.

However, venomous snakes that can kill my dogs or hurt people get to meet the business end of a shovel. No use for them at all.

Ropeem in tie up in knots.LOL

Only a person who has no no care to harm a snake talks like most of you. If you hate them that much and are going to kill everyone you don't talk about it you do it and don't broadcast it.

Remind me to never rob a bank with any of you might as well go up to police station first and tell them what your going to do before you do it?LOL

Everyone is responcible for their own actions!

As well as being able to decipher truth or consequesnces.LOL

WB,

I'm not an expert by any means but I have a PHD in common sense.

Mother Nature or God put them here for a reason and any time man thought he knew better and decided to change that what has happened?

Heck Cockroaches have a purpose in the scheme of things.

I've killed plenty of snakes in my day(not real proud of that now days) and kept tons of them as pets. If I found one in my yard where it threatened my kids or pets I'd kill it and use it in some way or pick it up and relocate it, I wouldn't kill it just to kill it.

And how do know you have enough of those other snakes in your area to keep the vermin in control....they wouldn't be there if there wasn't enough for all species to eat.

Oklahoma has a rattlesnake season.

Anybody that uses the excuse that snakes keep the rodents in check better do a little research as to how often a snake eats.Coyotes and other such varmints eat a gazillion times more rodents than snakes do and not many people care who kills them.

"Anybody that uses the excuse that snakes keep the rodents in check better do a little research as to how often a snake eats.Coyotes and other such varmints eat a gazillion times more rodents than snakes do and not many people care who kills them. "

There ya go!

Well then that's great news Steve! Since they won't keep the rodent population down then there's even more reason to shoot on sight! Thanks!

And FYI when I talk about keeping the rodents in check, I'm talking about in close to the house. I doubt the coyotes are going to eat the mice that find their way into my workshop. The rat snakes will. I couldn't care less what the mouse population is a half mile back in the woods.

Ryman. I don't care who knows I kill poisonous snakes.

Do snakes have souls?? Do snakes go to heaven. ...... just sayin

I used to hunt them for their skins. Some of yall on here have gotten them from me. Since my accident, I no longer hunt them, I don't move as well anymore As a matter of fact, only skins I get now are the ones other people give or road kills. I will not kill another one in the woods but if a venomous snake is around my house or barns, I will take him out. My children are in the yard and barns too much, can't take a chance on one of them getting bitten. If you want to hunt them, carry on. Be careful. I will no longer hunt them. Just my 2 cents. ><> del

WB, by all means keep your snake. But if the mice a 1/2 mile from the house don't get ate, soon the area won't sustain them and your snake is going to need some help keeping up:) I don't have any use for snakes but I don't have a problem with those that do.

Pennsylvania has a venomous snake season I had a tag last year but was so busy I never got out. For $25 you get a venomous snake permit from the fish commision that is good for one male 42+ inch timber rattler and one any size copperhead. You have to handle the timber rattler, tube his head and count sub caudull scales to determine sex

Seems like his question was answered partially. What does he need? A permit in some places, stay home and not hunt in some places and in other places, he is free to seek out snakes.

He NEEDS to understand the legality of his undertaking, as well as the physical tools necessary to preserve the skins for use.

Poachers break laws as they see fit, legit hunters know the laws and obey them. Apparently we are in the presence of poachers in some cases. Most here do not pick and choose which laws to obey, some do and draw our own conclusion as to the veracity of their comments and actions.

This site was founded to pass on information between trad archers. Many people do not know of the various laws as they pertain to reptiles. Some of us sought to inform. Some apparently sought to put out their bravado, " do not need no stinking law" attitude. Some justify their comments by attacking others. Some have proven to be scofflaws, and now must be watched as their comments are subject to shades of honesty.

You all can sort out who is who by retracing the posts.

this is'nt going where I intended it to go. one thing i'm assured of is I sure would'nt want is some of you good fellows sitting on a jury if i ever had a court appearance. the only thing i'll say is this would be done within the law.

Someone is an admitted poacher, and lashes out! I made no personal judgment. I sought only to inform those who care to obey laws. Dudes apparently do not obey laws. Thus my comments were were intended to those who did not know many states have regulations concerning reptiles. Should a person know of the law and willfully disobey them, he is a poacher, a thief, essentially untrustworthy. I direct my comments to no one in particular, and if the comments hit home, so be it

I cannot take anyone who advocates law breaking seriously. No further comment need be made to feebly defend a poacher's position

this lady thinks this is her sons brother, reborn as a snake, and certainly thinks it has a soul.

Lol..... good one Larry.

I would kill that snake to.. Just because some stupid liberal lawmakers says we shouldn't kill snakes doesn't mean it's a good law.

Who admitted poaching? SMH.

After killing the snake, cut the head off and do away with it carefully, it can still bite. Skin it and scrape all the meat you can off of it. Get a board or stiff cardboard and thumb tacks. Lay the skin down on the board skin side down. Stretch the skin and tack it. Stretch and tack it. I out a tack about every unch or so. Let it air dry for a few days, depending on the heat. After it dries, roll it up and out it in a ziplock bag and put in the freezer until you are ready to work with it. That is how I do it, others do it different. I would advise against putting borax in it or some other stuff on the skin, it might not allow the skin to be glued to the bow or whatever you are applying it to. Be careful <>< del

mikieg, as I have stated here before, far more people have been killed by mice, rats, and other small rodents, than by snakes...

Lmao... They don't nickname this place the "leatherbrawl" for nothing....kids these days!!!! Lol

http://www.cdc.gov/hantavirus/

http://www.cdc.gov/plague/

http://www.cdc.gov/rodents/diseases/direct.html

90% of a Timber Rattler's prey is small rodents, and it consumes 3X it's own weight per year in prey.

http://www.psu.edu/dept/nkbiology/naturetrail/speciespages/timberrattlesnake.htm

Using these figures by my calculations a 3 pound rattler shuold be expected to consume (the equivalent of) 157, 0.81 ounce White-Footed Mice and/or deer mice per year.

(these two Peromyscus species are the primary rservoir and vector for the deadly mouse-borne Hantavirus)

Of course there are other small rodents in the mix too, but then these two are very plentiful, they will be by far the primary prey... and when they are plentiful is when the Hanta outbreaks (human) occur (Hanta averages a 60% to 70% death rate in healthy adult humans)

I don't kiss and tell none of you guys can be in my crew you all tell to much we would get caught.LOL

I simpathise with both sides and understand.LOL

I changed my undees today no harm in telling that I guess.LOL

Nope. They'll eat whatever they can catch (& swallow), and judging from some of the blown-up python pics coming out of Florida these days, sometimes they can swallow stuff that proves to be a bit too much of a good thing...

Personally....

Exotic snakes, if I were to run across one, would qualify for Extreme Prejudice because they're invasive and a distinct threat to native wildlife.

Venomous snakes - where legal - I might take one or two if I had a plan for the skins and maybe just to try the meat. Around the house, so to speak, I'd probably relocate a snake that was where I could capture it safely. My boys are now big enough that I'd be less inclined to kill it just for being in the wrong place, but a particularly aggressive individual might wear out its welcome pretty quick... The thing is that in CT, our only venomous snakes are copperheads and critically-endangered timber rattlers, so the rattlers, at least, would get extra patience...

Non-venomous NATIVE types get a pass from me, all day, every day.

Feather Merchant, 90% isn't "all" , it's "most" :-)

"Pennsylvania has a venomous snake season..."

Seriously?

Close as we come to that is tourist season.

Can't imagine having to ask permission to kill a water mocassin

kill em stack em like firewood.

I will poach a snake. Lol. And you can't catch me. Hahaha:)

Nope not deer. Just poisonous snakes. I kilt a wasp today.

babysaph, are you in 3rd grade? Sounds like it...

In NY state you may not harvest, take, or possess any native snakes, lizards, or salamanders at any time.

Now then, a few years ago one of the locals was driving home under the influence of some adult beverages when nature called. He pulled off the side of the road near a local rattlesnake sanctuary to answer said call. While there, he spied a rattlesnake in the ditch, 'killed' it, and threw it in the back of his truck. When he got home, he started to remove the 'dead' snake from his truck and got bit. He then drove to the local hospital to get treated for snake bite. While there, he also collected a summons from the sheriff's department for killing the snake and one for DUI. It turned into quite a joke around the county and the case was finally dismissed before it came to trial.

Once again we need to consider regional influences.

In some areas of the country certain species of snakes may be a listed species and/or classified as endangered or threatened. In other locals, the populations may be healthy, thriving and in some cases overly abundant.

Across the board generalizations are not useful if one wants to consider this subject without introducing emotional bias into the process.

"snakes have been seen as evil since those guys wrote that bible"

Exactly. I'm not going to start a religious debate but...I for one believe in Creation. God created a perfect world. When man sinned ie tempted by Satan represented as a serpent this world and everything in it became corrupt and not how God intended it to be.Satan represented himself as a serpent so that alone makes me think God didn't think much of snakes :)

"I would think that a snake is just as dangerous in any region."

Profound on some level I guess...

Apparently you didn't comprehend what I intended to convey.

No point in wasting further time on it, yours or mine.

Watch where you step.

I think snakes are God's creatures too.

4nolz,created perfect but then corrupted by mans sin.Men choose to be evil and we deal with those people accordingly.We have to deal with the evil in snakes and all other creatures due to the fall of man.Just my theory.

You guys kill me. You will kill some things but not others. You don't get to pick what I kill. If you dont want to kill snakes don't. I will. Nuff said .

.....which takes us right back to the argument a typical poacher uses when he does not agree with a game law or its enforcement.

I kill venemous snakes unashamedly. I have been bitten by a copperhead. Pain, lost time from work, shortened vacation. I don't think anyone would think twice about squishing black widow spiders, no difference in my book.

Is there any law against killing spiders? If so use this forum to enlighten us.

In some states there are laws concerning snakes, Some states with such laws allow in extremes killing of snakes

That is the difference. Going out with the intention to break a law, puts such a person in the criminal class.

If persons cannot see the difference, use religion or personal preference/ fear ( shutter) to justify breaking the game law as written , they are poachers. Options? Change the law, follow it or knowingly break it.

How do we have the relative abundance of game? Good regulations. Our deer seasons in the 1950's were a week. Like it or not,,most laws are based in some need, not whimsy. This administration is probably the exception

I wonder how many of our soap box speakers have ever been guilty of speeding, hunting a few minutes before or after legal hunting hours, had one too many doves. I get it, the law is the law but rational free men also have to use sound judgement. If I see a venemous snake in my yard, fail to kill it, and it ends up biting a pet or a child, I acted foolishly by not killing it when I had the chance.

Agreed Ken.

“There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.” -Ayn Rand

"Like it or not, most laws are based in some need, not whimsy. This administration is probably the exception"

I only wish it were so.

Ken you're trying to apply common sense here, what are you thinking...

Don't do it...slippery slope stuff...soon there be a season to shoot them from a stand over a corn pile using a crossbow.

common sense is one thing. WILLFULL violation is another. Focus on the willfull and not the common sense aspect of this discussion. Which side you fall on determines the poacher in you. And yes, unfortunately, there are poachers among us here. As itokmi correctly stated, what else have the poachers taken from others.

premeditated, willfull is different than accidental or in extremis, or conditional. The law recognizes these as extra ordinary circumstances.

Feathers, you must be one tough or lucky sumbee to have survived three shotgun blasts!

She musta been the Queen-Bee...otch.

Good thing Feathers can get by on his sense of humor and lived to tell the tale!

As for snakes-in-the-grass, getting a little education about anything usually helps overcome fear and loathing.

Durn polygamist poachers are the worst.

Can't believe polygamy caught on the way it did. Even Mark Twain pointed out the descrepency to Brigham Young: "Man can't serve two masters!"

Stikbow, you're actually directing others not to focus on the "common sense" aspect of a discussion?

That actually borders on making some of your other statements seem somewhat sensible by comparison.

Feather you are harsh. Not like you're talking down to a gator fan or the like.

Sounds like Notre Dame might be missing a few scholars next time we play..

About snakes....I think they about to protect diamondbacks here in Florida not sure if they have yet.

I saw a much beloved dachshund die in my Clinic Monday despite full treatment-I doubt the dogs owners care much about checking regulations.

You need to come hunt with us at Bear Bay-we talk slow when Georgia guys are in camp...like Jsog.

So this planet should be without any of nature's creatures that could potentially harm or kill a human?

Mmmm, that sounds prefectly malicious.

Mikeg, (and the rest of the poachers) does that include man ? You said "anything" .

Seriously, if you or yours are threatened by a snake, or have one in your yard ,etc. Sure, destroy it. But to kill all snakes, just because you don't like them, especially when they are protected, is poaching. Even you are not above the law, no matter how much you try to rationalize. Hope you get caught and fined. Better yet, wouldn't it be poetic justice if the non-threatening snake got you! Just sayin' ...

To clarify, I never said I hoped the snake would get you.

Some men, yes, if they bring it upon themselves.

I agree with Nolz that the eastern diamondback will become a protected species in FL very soon. Due to habitat loss though, not hunters.

It's mocassins & Pygmy rattlers that pose a bigger threat around here.

That & the scads of people, including me, that contribute to the loss of habit.

Hey! Umm I'll post on this tommara.

So far what we have learned here is...don't argue with your wife..dicker, all three of them....and when it's time to meet your maker you will already be judged by your peers on the Leather Wall...carry on....

????

So if I kill rats , spiders or bees I am a poacher. I don't care if they are endangered. Sounds like flower sniffer rules.

I agree with you miklig

hey lets let this thing slither away

I would consider myself one of the less vocal types and here's what I get: Oklahoma has a three month rattlesnake season that requires a license, just like many other game species in the state. You (mikieg) have stated several times in this thread that you kill them when you are close to them, that you dispose of them, and that a snake killer is not a poacher.

Based on what you have stated on a forum with significant hunting content, its not a stretch to assume that you have disobeyed the state's game laws and that action is typically considered poaching.

I personally don't mean it as an insult, its an observation. Many here do seem to disagree with you on the ethics of taking that action. Like iktomi, I guess I have to confess to being one of the "submissive" who won't ever be a poacher.

oh my... y'all hug n make up now... y'hear?

FM actually I lost intrest in this thread! Classic LW.

Babysaph, No seasons or laws againist killing rats, spiders, etc.! Get real. !

You saying there is no 3 month rattler season in OK as stated above?

Its not what YOU consider game,its what the law considers game.

Case closed end of discussion.

I bet thats what the judge would say after you pleaded not guilty because,YOU dont consider it game.LOL

"Its not what YOU consider game,its what the law considers game.

Case closed end of discussion.

I bet thats what the judge would say after you pleaded not guilty because,YOU dont consider it game.LOL"

Cracks me up how some folks will kill snakes out of fear or ignorance with no regard to the law and then try to justify it with some wife's tale BS stuff.

I've lived and hunted in some heavily infested rattle snake territory for a lot of my life...you learn to watch where you are walking and where you are putting your hands.

I've killed a few in my life but I ate them or used the skins and no am not sure at the time if the ones I killed were legal or not...I was young then and killed a lot stuff that wasn't legal to do. Just like a lot folks on here am guessing.

I let them be know days unless I need a snake skin and it legal.

To each his own

OK, I'm game ;-)

No seasons in WV for killing snakes either. And if there was I would still kill the poisonous ones I run across. Just because some dumb flower sniffin lawyer makes a dumb law like that doesn't mean I will not kill them. It also doesn't mean I will break other game laws used to protect animals we eat. You will never change my mind or catch me. What Ventura said. We are having lawmakers taking over this country with stupid laws.

this whole debate is pointless as there is no law in WV about killing snakes. However if I was in your state where there was a law then I would still kill the poisonous snake I came across.

I always wondered what doctors and dentist did while you set in their waiting rooms and examining rooms for hours on end. Now I know one thing anyway.

TN Law is pretty clear. You just have to yell "Look out! It's coming right for us!" before you shoot :)

Babysaph, to say that there are no laws in WV about killing snakes just shows how much you really know about the regs.

"God made them". God also made the terrorist ISIS. They just beheaded a few hundred of their own. That's a piss poor place to start your argument.

Interesting part about landowners

But how do yall prepare them for the bow or whatever you use them for? ><> del

Sorry some dude that would be too helpful

split the belly down the middle and tack them to a board using push pins or 6d nails...scales down...inside up. Let them dry a few days and then trim the belly scales off and roll them up until you need them. I can send application instructions in a PM.

FINALLY-someone asked something RELATED to the thread! Man will I be glad when hunting season finally gets here so everyone has something better to do!

THANK YOU, BowAholic

they have to have some DNA of a Goodyear on them

Yea we are in another room working on someone else. Lol

John what page of the game laws is that on? I must have missed it.

And John it says that a homeowner can kill a snake near a dwelling. You just made my point.

What is the difference in killing rats and spiders ? They all have a purpose . Just like the snake.

What if you go to your treestand before legal shooting light? Are you a poacher? I do it all the time. That makes me a poacher. But wait. It's ok to break that law some would say.

Ken if you sit for hours on end in your Dr's office you need a new doc . :)

Old crow works with the law here in WV.,I am wondering how many people he sentenced to jail forv killing a poisonous snake? Lol

Just the area I live in. Good docs are scarce. Plenty of dentist. Didn't mean to ruffle your feathers, Doc, I was just kidding.

Didn't ruffle my feathers.,but if you wait a long time something is wrong. I get nervous when I know my patients are waiting.

John I searched the game laws for 2014,and 2015 and don't see that chart in there

Check this out. www.wvgazette.com/article/20140822/ARTICLE/140829848 Cached Aug 22, 2014 · West Virginia’s official state reptile enjoys a little more protection nowadays than it once did. Regulations effective earlier this year prevent

There are few occaisions where one would need to kill a snake.You people who need to kill snakes are cowardly girlie boys.Yeah if your life was in direct danger or you needed it for food OK. Learn to handle them and move them out of harms way. I do .Very few snakes go out to hunt humans.Big pythons can and Australian Tiger snakes are teritorial and will make a deliberate attack on you.I do how ever think snakes are more frightened by us than anything else.In the Florida everglades live thousands of introduced pythons.Catch and kill them and save your everglades from this invader.Help your native wild life to survive. OST

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