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Eastern red cedar English longbow

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ephphatha 15-Jun-13
ephphatha 15-Jun-13
ephphatha 15-Jun-13
fdp 15-Jun-13
ephphatha 15-Jun-13
ephphatha 15-Jun-13
ephphatha 15-Jun-13
dire wolf 15-Jun-13
Selfbowman 15-Jun-13
Jeff Durnell 15-Jun-13
Buzz 15-Jun-13
G.fellow 15-Jun-13
Chemsolder1 15-Jun-13
ephphatha 15-Jun-13
ephphatha 15-Jun-13
Stoner 15-Jun-13
ephphatha 15-Jun-13
George Tsoukalas 16-Jun-13
Larry247 16-Jun-13
Crossed Arrows 16-Jun-13
blackhawk 17-Jun-13
tracy warren 17-Jun-13
Stoner 17-Jun-13
D.J. @work 17-Jun-13
traditionalman 17-Jun-13
ephphatha 17-Jun-13
tonto59 18-Jun-13
olbuflo 18-Jun-13
Mike Mecredy 18-Jun-13
Longbowsmith 18-Jun-13
ephphatha 18-Jun-13
ephphatha 18-Jun-13
Hank 20-Jun-13
ephphatha 20-Jun-13
Buzz 20-Jun-13
ephphatha 20-Jun-13
Buzz 20-Jun-13
Mike Mecredy 21-Jun-13
ephphatha 21-Jun-13
Mike Mecredy 21-Jun-13
From: ephphatha
Date: 15-Jun-13

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Ever since Steve Moore did that awesome build along, I have wanted to try this. Well, I finally got around to it and finished it this morning.

It's not a very heavy bow. It's about 40 lbs. But I didn't want it to break, and cedar is kind of brittle. I just wanted the bow so I can take it to the Ren Faire with me.

From: ephphatha
Date: 15-Jun-13

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Horn strike plate.

From: ephphatha
Date: 15-Jun-13

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Showing one of the knots.

From: fdp
Date: 15-Jun-13




Dang that's a pretty bow. I'm a sucker for classic longbows though.

From: ephphatha
Date: 15-Jun-13

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The top horn nock.

From: ephphatha
Date: 15-Jun-13

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The bottom horn nock.

From: ephphatha
Date: 15-Jun-13

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One more picture to show the belly of the bow. Can you tell I really dig this bow?

From: dire wolf
Date: 15-Jun-13




Sam, You did a fine job on that Tennessee red cedar longbow..Nice work on the cowhorn nocks also...( juniperus Virginiana..:)

The Thompson Bros made a few longbows from that wood.. More recently, Dave Johnson( Oklahoma?) used the red cedar often with good results.

It has good cast, is physically light and IF one can find a clean tree..will make a fine bow. Sapwood always will need thinning down..

The one's I have made years ago I backed with clarified calfskin.. The wood is somewhat fragile..Jim

From: Selfbowman
Date: 15-Jun-13




Nice bow I like it. Arvin

From: Jeff Durnell
Date: 15-Jun-13




Very nice. Red cedar sure makes a beautiful bow. I have a piece of it here, but it's not long enough to make a classic longbow style.

From: Buzz
Date: 15-Jun-13




Very nice.

Great job.

From: G.fellow
Date: 15-Jun-13




That is a beautiful ELB excellent job Man! I love the all wood longbows. I all but had my hands on a eastern juniper stave, but before I could get to it the state cut it off their right-of-way and it was gone. That would have been a beauty! The heartwood is purple. Your longbow is a dandy! Hows it shoot for you? What arrows are you using? Thanks! G.fellow

From: Chemsolder1
Date: 15-Jun-13




Sweet looking bow a real looker for sure.

From: ephphatha
Date: 15-Jun-13




Thanks, y'all.

Jim: It's encouraging to know that people are making bows out of juniper for realsies. I did it because it's just so pretty, and because it's light. I heard it could make a fast bow. My previous two ELB style bows were really slow. I have a whole bunch of this ERC. I bought a log, and I could probably get another six bows out of it, depending on how the knots work out.

Jeff: This one turned out to be 73" nock to nock. The log I bought was 12 feet long. It cut it down to 8', and now I have a bunch of 4' billets. If I get desperate, I suppose I could splice those. But I may find another use for them.

Ray: That is such a sad story. I had a similar story involving an Osage tree, so I feel your pain. The heartwood of this stave was purple, too. Or at least it was purple when I first split it. It was really striking. The colour faded some, but then it popped back out when I put a finish on it. I suppose the fading had to do with losing moisture. It was still a little wet when I bought it. It shoots okay; definitely faster than my previous two ELB's, but still slower than my bamboo/ipe and fiberglass bows. This may be a sin, but I've been shooting aluminum arrows out of it. I'm going to post a video in a little bit.

From: ephphatha
Date: 15-Jun-13




Here's the video.

From: Stoner
Date: 15-Jun-13




GREAT JOB!!! I've got a piece of KY. Cedar that has a bow hidden inside. I'm gonna git to it soon as I finish this piece of hackberry.

Can you show a picture at full draw. John

From: ephphatha
Date: 15-Jun-13




Thanks. Here's a full draw pic.

Good luck with your bow building adventures! It sure is fun liberating a bow from a piece of wood!

From: George Tsoukalas
Date: 16-Jun-13




From nocks to handle that bow is just beautiful. Tiller is excellent! Well done. Jawge

From: Larry247
Date: 16-Jun-13




I love Ceeder and those Old Style Longbows...nice

From: Crossed Arrows
Date: 16-Jun-13




Beautiful job. I never get tired of seeing English longbows and I never get tired bowhiking with them.

From: blackhawk
Date: 17-Jun-13




Sweet!!! :)

From: tracy warren
Date: 17-Jun-13




That's a beautiful bow. Very well done!

From: Stoner
Date: 17-Jun-13




WOW! Perfect arc. John

From: D.J. @work
Date: 17-Jun-13




I love ELBs and that is a fine one. Great tiller. David

From: traditionalman
Date: 17-Jun-13




I'm a long long way from what you can do but I keep trying. Wish you lived next door.

From: ephphatha
Date: 17-Jun-13




Thanks for all your kind words. I'm so happy with this one I think I'll make another one. Maybe a little more draw weight and a little longer.

From: tonto59
Date: 18-Jun-13




That cedar sure makes a pretty bow. Very nice job. I like it. Don

From: olbuflo
Date: 18-Jun-13




Beautiful bow and a very nice job. Congrats.

From: Mike Mecredy
Date: 18-Jun-13




I sure look forward to your posts Sam. Cool stuff you're making.

From: Longbowsmith Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 18-Jun-13




That is definitely a gorgeous bow! ERC is on my bucket list.

Did Steve Moore ever finish that bow? Seems like we were left hanging at the end. Don't remember why.

Chris

From: ephphatha
Date: 18-Jun-13




I don't know what happened with that bow. Steve seems to have disappeared. It was an awesome build along, though.

Here's another thread I found where a guy made an ERC ELB, and there are pictures of the finished product. Very nice-looking.

Thank you all for the compliments. Of course I can't take credit for how pretty cedar is, but I did liberate it from a log. :-) I actually removed two more rings than I meant to because I kept messing up. The rings are kind of hard to see. It worked out, though. I wanted to have a nice ratio between the sap wood and the heart wood so it would resemble a Yew ELB, except for the heart wood colour, of course.

From: ephphatha
Date: 18-Jun-13




These are the original horn nocks I was going to use, but I messed them up. I had glued them onto scrap wood to shape them before putting them on the bow. I tried to remove them by cutting them off at the base and re-drilling the holes with the same spade bit, and I ended up drilling them crooked. It's a shame. I thought these were really pretty because they had those white streaks mixed in with the black. I suppose I could fill the holes with epoxy and try again, but I don't know how I'd get them straight.

From: Hank
Date: 20-Jun-13




Great looking bow! I never had much luck chasing cedar rings. Too thin and convoluted for my tired eyes. Hope she holds up well for you.

Here is the link to another build along posted here about two years back: http://leatherwall.bowsite.com/TF/lw/thread2.cfm?threadid=217913&category=88#2893932 It details a totally different but effective method of working ERC.

Hank

From: ephphatha
Date: 20-Jun-13




Thanks for the link, Hank. I may use a hickory backing on some of my knottier pieces. Chasing the rings was a bit of a challenge. I violated them twice before I finally got a good ring. I was getting a little nervous toward the end, but I was really careful with that last ring. It's not as easy as Osage where you have a spongy layer, and you can just kind of scrape it off, leaving you with a perfect backing.

From: Buzz
Date: 20-Jun-13




ephphatha, great job on your bows.

BTW, put your knocks in the microwave for a second to loosen the glue on work posts.

From: ephphatha
Date: 20-Jun-13




Thanks for the tip, Buzz.

From: Buzz
Date: 20-Jun-13




Welcome.

My old friend Roy worked on his nocks this way.

You can see pics of his nock's in Steve's old thread.

http://leatherwall.bowsite.com/TF/lw/thread2.cfm?threadid=181950&category=88#3364759

From: Mike Mecredy
Date: 21-Jun-13




Sam, have you ever tried edge grain red elm to back cedar? I haven't, I was just wondering. I happened on about 150 board feet of red elm and bought it for about $.75 a bd ft the other day. It makes great lams but I've been wanting to make a board or tri lam bow for personal use.

From: ephphatha
Date: 21-Jun-13




Mike, I've never tried that or heard of anybody else trying it. But 75 cents a board foot is a great deal! I love a good deal. :-)

From: Mike Mecredy
Date: 21-Jun-13




I guess I'll have to try it, once I get some time.





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