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longest draw out there

Messages posted to thread:
Whitefeather 11-Feb-13
manitou1 12-Feb-13
MikeW 12-Feb-13
Bowlim 12-Feb-13
GLF 12-Feb-13
blue monday 12-Feb-13
Whitefeather 12-Feb-13
northerner 12-Feb-13
bowdoc 12-Feb-13
juan matos 12-Feb-13
juan matos 12-Feb-13
Jaxn 12-Feb-13
HomeadeBow 12-Feb-13
George D. Stout 12-Feb-13
deerhunt51 12-Feb-13
SB 12-Feb-13
Whitefeather 12-Feb-13
George D. Stout 12-Feb-13
fdp 12-Feb-13
TRADARCHER 13-Feb-13
Jeff Durnell 13-Feb-13
reddogge 13-Feb-13
Bob Dunn 13-Feb-13
oldbow 13-Feb-13
Sixby 13-Feb-13
Whitefeather 14-Feb-13
oldbow 14-Feb-13
cjgregory 23-Feb-13
Paintedsticks 23-Feb-13
fdp 23-Feb-13
Phil 23-Feb-13
Car54 23-Feb-13
r.grider 23-Feb-13
Esch 27-Feb-13
fdp 22-Jul-16
George Tsoukalas 22-Jul-16
fdp 22-Jul-16
r-man 22-Jul-16
larryhatfield 22-Jul-16
fdp 22-Jul-16
From: Whitefeather
Date: 11-Feb-13




Just wondering what the longest draw length is anyone shoots out there. I've been building some prototypes for a "guy" and want to push the envelope to the utmost and then some. I have a local guy that pulls 32". Are there any ape armed guys out there that pulls more? If so, at what poundage? thanks fellas, WF

From: manitou1
Date: 12-Feb-13




32.5" 51 lbs, 48 lbs., 46 lbs, a 40 pounder, and 47 lbs.

From: MikeW
Date: 12-Feb-13




"I've been building some prototypes for a "guy" and want to push the envelope to the utmost and then some."

What's the point in that? I pull 28 1/4" to the corner of my mouth split finger am sure if I wanted to anchor at the back of my jaw bone it would be close to 34" or so.

I just don't get it?

From: Bowlim
Date: 12-Feb-13




Nothing wrong with a long draw, but trying to draw more that you can without adjusting the anchor point as they do in Japanese archery, or longbow, is just asking for all kinds of problems. I started out at 31, I keep getting shorter, I am down to 29. I never think of going longer, I may still go shorter.

From: GLF
Date: 12-Feb-13




I used to shoot 73-76lbs@32" for probably 35+ years and because of long recorvery period am now down to 61@32" .Thats been my draw since I turned 17 or so some 42 years ago. I was always long armed tho, had 28" draw at 13. Oh thats with recurve, palming straight handled longbows its 31". My longbows 63lb

From: blue monday Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 12-Feb-13




I shoot with a slightly bent elbow and still draw 30.5. If I extend the arm out straight I am 31.5. Makes for some very fast bows having a long draw length.

From: Whitefeather Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 12-Feb-13




MikeW, the point is, under the circumstances involved and what may happen, I don't want to just build bows for a 28" draw and the have someone pick one up, draw it to 32" and have it blow up in their face. I should have mentioned, these are not glass or laminate bows. I build selfbows mostly and some bamboo backed bows so I'm trying to find a nice compromise with safety and performance on a wood bow, no glass.

From: northerner
Date: 12-Feb-13




I am 6'3" 235lbs. my draw is 30 1/2" to 31" depending on my form, shoot split finger, pointer finger anchors corner of mouth. That is with recurves at 45 to 55lbs pull, I am pretty sure with higher weights my draw compresses somewhat and my head leans into the shot more shortening my draw length.

Hope this helps.

From: bowdoc
Date: 12-Feb-13




I took these two guys elk hunting one year that for sure were a couple of Ape's they both played D for the Seahawks.One was shooting a pounder special order from Hoyt...Mike has a draw of 34"-35" his bow was marked 34-36 inch draw and @ 90# his arrows were also special order from easton 36" long and spined off the chart Mike told me(small baseball bats).He ate up all the food too bd

From: juan matos
Date: 12-Feb-13




I hear that Tayshaun Prince has a 7'-2'' wingspan. So would his drawlength be close to 43 inches drawn to the corner of his mouth?

From: juan matos
Date: 12-Feb-13




I hear that Tayshaun Prince has a 7'-2'' wingspan. So would his drawlength be close to 43 inches drawn to the corner of his mouth?

From: Jaxn
Date: 12-Feb-13




Doesn't your physical make up dictate the draw length where you can "lock" into a proper stance and draw position? If I try to hold at less than what I consider my full draw my back and upper arm/shoulder feel like they are coming apart.

From: HomeadeBow
Date: 12-Feb-13




Instead of just large build, you can have a longer draw by anchoring by your jaw as some have said this increases arrow speed, and doesn't decrease accuracy if using instinctive style. However bows are very rarely designed for such a large draw.

From: George D. Stout
Date: 12-Feb-13




Whitefeather, a decently made bow shouldn't blow up at any draw. A few of the old manufacturers, back in the 60's, used to draw their bows until the strings came off the ends to show their strength. If they can do that with 60's glues and laminations, don't know why it wouldn't pertain to today's stuff.

Incidentally, Darrell Imhoff, was a pro basketball player who was also a bowhunter. Darrell used on of Ben Pearsons 60 or 62 inch bows. Chances are Darrell's draw was more than 30 inches. A well made bow should take a 32" draw or it's not well made.

From: deerhunt51
Date: 12-Feb-13




I am teaching a young Man to shoot who short draws 32", if and when we find a bow that can handle 33-34 inch draw we will try that.

From: SB
Date: 12-Feb-13




George..He said SELFBOWS...not laminated! It better be LONG! Like 72" or more!

From: Whitefeather Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 12-Feb-13




George, no lams and glass on these. We may do some with bamboo backs though.

From: George D. Stout
Date: 12-Feb-13




Well all-righty then. LOL. That's a horse of a different color. Or a bow of a different material. Yep SB....about 6 feet or more.

From: fdp
Date: 12-Feb-13




Whitefeather, you can buld bows to take those long draw lengths. You just have to make them correspondingly longer, or wider. I understand your thinking about essentially "over building", nothing wrong with that.You can easily build a selfbow that has very little string follow at 30 or more inches. Just tiller for that draw length from the get go. Then, if you shoot it at 28" there will be no problem. Decide what you want your finished draw weight at the draw length you are targeting. Then, build the bow and tiller it to the heavier draw weight at the longer draw length.

From: TRADARCHER
Date: 13-Feb-13




Well, I have not to long draw (30") I use 60# @ 30" recurve or longbow.

From: Jeff Durnell
Date: 13-Feb-13




Design parameters other than length enter the equation with wooden bows too. When you're pushing limits, just as important as overall length is working limb length, width, side profile(amount and orientation of deflex, reflex, or recurve), front profile in conjunction with how the bow is tillered, inherent strengths and weaknesses of the wood used, etc.

But I'm a little confused about what you're trying to do here. First you made it sound like you wanted to push the limits of the wood... and then some. And then in a subsequent post it sounded more like you DIDNT want to do that, but rather, were looking for safety margin.

If you're looking for safety/longevity, double the amount of added draw length and add it to the bow's overall length. In other words, if you would normally build a 'safe bow' 64" long for a 28" draw, but need a bow for 32"... that's a difference of 4". 4x2=8. Now add that 8" to your overall bow length... 64+8=72. You can make the bow 72" long without changing anything else and you'll stress this bow no more than the shorter one.

That's the easy way... the safe way.

Even so, if draw weight, or anything else changes, you may have to make other adjustments.

From: reddogge Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 13-Feb-13




Whitefeather, it sounds like you can't have it both ways. Perhaps making your bows for a normal draw and if a customer wants an exceptionally long draw, custom make his bow to his specs.

From: Bob Dunn
Date: 13-Feb-13




I'm 6'3", split finger to corner of mouth. 30 1/2" with longbows and recurves.

From: oldbow
Date: 13-Feb-13




Imhoff, had a 34 inch draw. Last I saw of him in Archery, he was using Ben Pearson bows. Think he was on their advisory staff. Easton was supposed to have made his arrow shafts.

From: Sixby
Date: 13-Feb-13




I have had a couple of customers with over 31 inch draws. One was 34 inches. talking with other bowyers I know of one who built a bow for a man with a 35 inch draw. What they use for arrows I have no idea.

God bless you all, Steve

From: Whitefeather Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 14-Feb-13




I appreciate all the feedback and info. Jeff, I'm sorry I kind of contradicted myself and didn't explain what my goal is clearly. Part of the reason is, I'm not entirely positive about my customers intent and goals, he's not a bow guy really. My personal goal is to push the performance and design as much as safely possible. Your right about the draw x two plus 8"-10". That's what I normally do. However, I have built some Osage, unbacked at just draw x two and they are still holding up. They have some string follow but that is offset some by some slight static recurve. The amount of working wood in the lims is very little as the handle is non bending also. These were made out of some premium Osage staves. I think that is the direction I'm headed. Either that or a bamboo backed deal that will take less time and be less worry. Thanks again for the feedback guys.

From: oldbow
Date: 14-Feb-13




Probably 90% of Bow Shooters think they have to pull back as far as they can wherein they think they have those long draws.

From: cjgregory
Date: 23-Feb-13




I draw 31 1/2" inches. Measured many times. There can be compression issues and a resulting shorter draw even though you anchor the same with any bow. A lot goes into draw length. I find it interesting that a man can pick up a lighter bow and add an inch to his draw length. I shoot a 59# at 31" custom silvertip.

From: Paintedsticks
Date: 23-Feb-13




My draw use to be 35' until I took my ear off, now its 30.5"...PR

From: fdp
Date: 23-Feb-13




Well put cj. Even with the compression issue you should be able to expand you torso, and overcome that. When you get to the point that you lose a full 1" of draw length or more, you're probably shooting too much weight.

From: Phil
Date: 23-Feb-13

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Depends where you draw to .... 32 inch is standard for warbow shooters here in the UK.

From: Car54
Date: 23-Feb-13




31.5 to 32", middle finger corner of mouth, split finger...60#

From: r.grider
Date: 23-Feb-13




I would love to have a 30" plus draw, think of the arrow speed, and penetration you would get out of just 40# ! Finding arrow shafts could be a problem though.

From: Esch
Date: 27-Feb-13




I pull 32.5 to corner the corner of my mouth. I have a 64" Thunderstick, a 64" Whip, and a 62" Centaur . Currently shooting the Centaur Double Carbon. I was hesitant to try a 62" bow.. but Jim convinced me it would not stack and he was right. Long story short, finding bows has not been a problem, but finding a consistent source of wood arrows as proved to be virtually impossible. If anyone has knows of any sources I'd love to hear about them.

From: fdp
Date: 22-Jul-16




Holezone...the 3lb per inch range or so would only apply out to 28" with most any bow. There are some that actually increase more than 5lbs per inch after 28.

An 85lb. at 28" bow would HAVE to increase in the neighborhood of 4.25lbs. per inch from an 8" brace height to 28" to make weight.

From: George Tsoukalas
Date: 22-Jul-16




I helped a friend, who has a 33 or 34 (forget exactly) inch draw, make an osage bow. That's to the back of the bow. Jawge

From: fdp
Date: 22-Jul-16




Jawge, that is the longest draw I've ever heard of. Man....

From: r-man
Date: 22-Jul-16




If I had a bow made for me it would draw 50# at 31.5", Stick bow) . I often never pull stick bows that far. I pull 30.5" most often if the bow doesn't began to stack bad. A 62" recurve I have ( Sage ), I only pull it 28ish, the Journey I pull it 29-30ish, my new long bow is pulled to 30-31" . Now when I shot compound bows they all had 32" draws, I believe that was due to the release configuration . Its easy to shoot a slightly shorter bow , not easy if you over draw whats natural for u. And I used to be 6' 2" tall, spinal compaction has changed my height not my draw though.

From: larryhatfield
Date: 22-Jul-16




One of Dee Wildes buddy's was a pro football player that had a 35 1/2" draw. I built 2 bows for him. Don't know what he did for arrows.

From: fdp
Date: 22-Jul-16




Dang....he would have to start with 48" dowels!!!!





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