I had the pleasure of shooting Jims' new SSR takedaown at Kalamazoo. The bow was 56" 65 @ 28 and drew real smooth and shot my 585 grain arrows like rockets. Even at that short length, there was ZERO finger pinch. It shot a 10 grain per pound arrow at 209 fps. Fantastic bow design.

Well, I spoke with Jim this week and ordered a 58" 60 @ 28" SSR takedown. I'm looking forward to getting my hands on it. It will be finished by the Deer and Turkey Expo in Columbus March 20th. Just in time to take it to South Carolina for a 4 day pig hunt. Then it will be off with me to British Columbia in May for a 6 day spot and stalk black bear hunt with Jeff Landers of Primitive Outfitters.

Check out the speed test.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vth_o-aO1O8

Jim Belcher www.belcherbows.com 810 231 0101

I forgot,

Cocobolo riser with antler overlay. Stained Bamboo limbs with antler tip overlay.

"It shot a 10 grain per pound arrow at 209 fps."

I just have to say that I find this hard to believe. I have never heard of any recurve shooting 10gpp at more than 190 FPS.

Mark

WoW!

Looks impress!

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Chief

I hope he has a lot in stock.People will jump all over those numbers. :)

The new take/downs absolutely smoke and draw smooth as silk.

I see a bow shooting 254 fps at IBO spec. What is IBO spec? How many gpp is that? Why don't they shoot 10 gpp, that's what folks want to see.

To the best of my knowledge nobody has made a bow(long bow or Recurve) that breaks or hits 200 fps shooting 10 gpp @ 28"

IBO is a 70lb bow drawn 30" shooting a 350gn arrow. (5grs/lb)

It was started to be able to show higher numbers than AMO numbers and sell more bows.

Mark,

Jim designed these new recurve limbs over the last year. I've been waiting to see and shoot it since he started. I finally got to shoot it at Kalamazoo and this bow smokes an arrow. With every modification the arrow speed has increased dramatically. And I can tell you first hand that this is by far the fastest bow I have ever loosed an arrow from.

I've never been into the speed thing, ever. But, I am completely impressed with this bows performance. Every aspect of this bow, from how smooth it draws to how stable it is after the shot to the lightning arrow speed. Jim out did himself with this bow design.

Just thought I would post some numbers on a bow I made for a customer and friend in CA.These were done with a 62" 59#@28 Texas Ebony recurve bow.Cal shoots a 31 1/2" arrow pulled about 30 1/2". So he is shooting about 67-68 lbs with fingers and fur string silencers on his bow.

Bill, I figured Tuesday was close enough to Wednesday, so I snuck out and shot through the chrono. I warmed up a little, then I just shot one of each arrow with each string. I used the same selection of arrows we used with the other bows. This ebony bow is really, really smooth.

B50 VRB String D97

ST 400 w 100gr 223 233 240

ST 340 w 125 gr 215 218 231

2514 XX75 w 125 gr 202 207 214

Pretty impressive numbers. I'll try this again with more shots later. But it looks like this is easily the fastest bow I have ever shot. Cal

I attached a picture of Cal's bow too.

10gpp, what was the draw length? thats a major part of speed.

yeah i take numbers with a grain of salt these days.. but i do like the Texas ebony.

chris.

I spoke with Jim this morning. He will film the bow shooting at a 28" draw length with an arrow weight of 10 grains per pound of draw weight through a double chronograph. I'll post it as soon as I get it from him.

"He will film the bow shooting at a 28" draw length with an arrow weight of 10 grains per pound of draw weight through a double chronograph. I'll post it as soon as I get it from him."


Thx...I'll be very interested in those results.

Looking at the full draw tiller on that bow I have to feel Jim is on to a great design there. I think it will prove out to be a classic example of moderation in design does the trick. I sure hope he enters one of his bows in this years walk the talk event. Steve

New Video available.

9.75 grains per pound 16 strand FF string. Finger release off the shelf. 28" draw - 205 fps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zON5nhWih8

I specifically asked Jim to video the bows speed when being shot by a person. This is to take all the mechanics out and show it done while finger shooting with an arrow weight a traditional archer will use. This leaves no doubt on how effecient his new bow design is. Living up to its name Super Sonic Recurve.

The wait for mine is going to kill me.

That is some great performance.I hope he will be able to keep up with orders after a few get out in peoples hands.

A machine will alway's shoot faster than a finger release. 5 to 8 fps is the norm. Blacky shoots fingers and a mechanical release when he tests bows for TBM. He alway's gets a faster arrow speed with the mechanical release aid.

Stew, I am not one of them, but there are guys that can get a faster release from fingers than a caliper release. I agree that a shooting machine drawn to 28" would be a VERY GOOD TEST!!! I would love to see it. The numbers seemed funny in that it did not gain much speed for a severe lack of arrow weight. It goes from being AMAZINGLY efficient to Very efficient according to the numbers.

If he doesn't know about the "Walk the Talk" get together, please encourage him to find out about it and submit a bow for testing. I have a feeling that if the numbers are the same thru a shooting machine and verified by the WTT people, he will not be able to make bows fast enough and he will be able to name whatever price he wants. Good looking curve for sure.

WMU 248,

What are the details on the WTT?

Thanks, stew

You need to ask Badger or Ibex about it. That or you can find information and a forum about it at (piratesofarchery.net). I am sure somebody will get some info to you to pass along to him.

Impressive tests to say the least. I have played with chronys and have found a solid, static anchor to be accurate and repeatable. I don't like the snap shooter style release when I am comparing bows. The shooting machine leaves no room for doubt and was great, wish I had one. Thanks for sharing. Sodbusterjim.

"9.75 grains per pound 16 strand FF string. Finger release off the shelf. 28" draw - 205 fps. "

Very impressive. Thx for sharing the info.
How is the bow quite wise? And does he plan on offering these soon?

They are very quiet bows. One thing that impressed me when I first shot it. Jims taking orders for them now. That's why I ordered mine as soon as I did. Don't want to be at the end of the order line.

Stew, fingers can outshoot a machine if you get used to shooting for a chrono. I can tell you that from experience. When you practice a lot over a chrono you can start shooting for the chrono. I had to retrain my release to try and make it more compatable with a machine shot bow. Ibex gave me a recurve, I couldn't get that thing to shoot below 202 fps shooting 10 grains and drawing 28". When machine tested the bow was actually a 188 fps bow, still very fast, but not 202 fast. I will say belchers release appears to be a pretty clean release and most likely very close to what a machine would read. Steve

No matter who shoots its still hard to beat the consistency of the straight drag free release of a mechanical release aid shot from a machine. Id be real interested to see this bow performs using a 10 strand string, a 10 gpp arrow, pulled and shot from a machine pulled to 28" AMO. for more clarity thats 26 1/4" from the deepest part of the grip to the innermost point of the string at full draw and released. Not to burst a bubble for anyone but mid 250s at IBO specs (70# 30"draw 350 gr arrow)is only average. Test any other bows the exact same as this one.

And Im with Ibex, If it really will do 205 out of a machine at the above 28" AMO specs put me down for one also.

For anyone interested in sending a bow for WTT I can give you the details for the WTT III event coming up the end of april. But I will tell you if you send a bow in for this event prepare to be humbled and be prepared for the world to see how your bow stacks up against other bows all given the same exact testing peramiters as the next.(same strings and same brace heights) This will all be done in front of a video camera and a huge bunch of witnesses then put into a DVD and then later will be put on line.

I think alot of people forget to realize that even though they are testing bows with a crono and the next guy does what he thinks is the same thing there are still margines for error from machine to machine, from crono to crono, and release to release, be it mechanical or human. things become more clear for "comparisons" sake when they are all out of the SAME machine the same crono set at the same distance from the back of the bow for all of them.

I never had a girlfriend.....til' DARKO!

That ones for you Claude ;-)

Bob

Yes I have shot this new bow as well all I can say is it's a GREAT SHOOTER... I shoot the one at KZOO I don't know how may times.....

Cody

lol, personally I shoot with my fingers when I hunt , not with a machine so I would worry more about speed with fingers instead of machine shot

That's the reason I had Jim shoot the bow with a finger release. To show the bows performance while beeing used like a customer would use it. He's been shooting a traditional bow for 50 years and is an exceptional shot.

LOL

5. Then many that buy it will find out it is not magic and make them shoot any better.The used market will have plenty out there just like every other great bow ever built. ;)

I wish we had an official test station somewhere. A guy could send his bow in, have it shot at 28" and 30" with an official size string, shoot the bow at 8 grains, 9 grains and 10 grains. Use an official form for filling in the results and pay the tester for about an hours work. Then your score could be registered. Not only would it provide consistent results but also let us see how accurate or inaccurate our own testing is. Steve

Well Blacky does that with only at one draw length (don't remember if he uses 28 or 30) and 9 gpp. People still argue with his results...Mike

It looks like a very good limb profile. Jim

I just posted utube of shooting using IBO standards thru chronograph. See new thread.

never had a girlfriend.....til' DARKO! That ones for you Claude ;-)

Bob

-------------------- :-) I hope your is quieter than mine Bob ! (Too much hyperactive and bores me in the every day life ...)

Claude

hey ibex do you have prosthetic fingers? there is noway a finger release is faster or cleaner then a mechanical release!!! so get ready to be in debt!

awww ibex i thought steve was trying to break that habit of shooting for the chrono. heh.. my money is on steve and his fingers too.

chris.

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