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importance of spine tester(arrow build)

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Navan-James 30-Sep-08
Buzz 30-Sep-08
Corporate Redneck 30-Sep-08
hera 30-Sep-08
Chessbum 30-Sep-08
pondscum2 30-Sep-08
Van/TX 19-Feb-09
bigcountry 12-Mar-09
kymoose 12-Mar-09
Cutumn Shootum 12-Mar-09
Buzz 12-Mar-09
Snag 12-Mar-09
jipp 12-Mar-09
Pete Patterson 12-Mar-09
Pete Patterson 12-Mar-09
HighPockets 12-Mar-09
hera 13-Mar-09
PaPa Doc 13-Mar-09
George Tsoukalas 13-Mar-09
cacciatore 13-Mar-09
hera 23-Mar-09
bodymanbowyer 24-Mar-17
jk 24-Mar-17
Orion 24-Mar-17
bodymanbowyer 24-Mar-17
AK Pathfinder 24-Mar-17
longbowguy 24-Mar-17
2 bears 24-Mar-17
Bob Rowlands 24-Mar-17
Babbling Bob 25-Mar-17
Stucky 25-Mar-17
Stucky 25-Mar-17
Cameron Root 25-Mar-17
Cameron Root 25-Mar-17
hera 25-Jul-17
From: hera
Date: 30-Sep-08




I think I'm not a good shooter until recently. I quit for about 5 years just because of my bad accuracy. I know spine match is important,but what I do not know is spine match is VERY VERY IMPORTANT

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Date: 30-Sep-08

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I builded these arrows 6 ms ago,well spine match with my homemade BT style TD recurve,nice group.

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10 meters indoor. Now I can shoot cocacola bottle plastic cap,some time even straw !

From: rico
Date: 30-Sep-08




nice arrows, nice post thankyou

From: Mr. Kinjo
Date: 30-Sep-08




Heya mate!

I must say, I very much do agree! Spine is so important, yet I fail to spine my arrows.

Possibly its time to make spine tester (@_@)

Well, I notice when I shoot instinctive I can use wide range of spines and still hit quite accurately, though I suffer in consistency. Other aiming methods require spined arrows I have found out.

Oh yes, your arrows came out wonderful! Very nice crest work and great shots!

Now try hit chop stick! xD

-Alex

From: Navan-James
Date: 30-Sep-08




Great thread, thank you.

Navan-James

From: Buzz
Date: 30-Sep-08




Great looking arrows, Thanks for the build along.

From: Corporate Redneck
Date: 30-Sep-08




How much do the completed arrows weigh?

From: hera
Date: 30-Sep-08




Corporate Redneck

I don't know,I just order a arrow weight scale. The shaft are 11/32 parallel POC,28.5" in length.45~50lbs shaft.

From: Chessbum Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 30-Sep-08




Thanks for the pictures and information you put on this thread. This is what we need more of around here input from talented people.

From: pondscum2
Date: 30-Sep-08




very nice work, Hera! good pix of your set-up as well, thanks. pondscum

From: Van/TX
Date: 19-Feb-09




Excellent!...Van

From: bigcountry
Date: 12-Mar-09




Great thread. So you make reference marks with the syring?

From: kymoose
Date: 12-Mar-09




Hera,

Those arrows are as pretty as your bows!!

Beautiful work!!!!!...and good shooting...

From: Cutumn Shootum
Date: 12-Mar-09




You are for sure talented. Nice stuff.

From: Buzz
Date: 12-Mar-09




Great thread again, thanks. Nice arrows as well.

From: Snag
Date: 12-Mar-09




Yep, I agree. Arrows are just pretty if they aren't spined in groups. We have enough problems with our form and stuff when shooting. You don't want to be behind the 8 ball from the get go by having arrows that are of different spine weights.

From: jipp
Date: 12-Mar-09




hera - knowing the detail you put into building your bows using hand tools.. i can only imagen them arrows are perfectly matched. you seem to have that bottle cap sniping down.. you are the man. thanks for sharing. you make a very valid point.. with out the arrow the bow is just a stick with a string on it.

chris.

From: Pete Patterson
Date: 12-Mar-09




From: Pete Patterson
Date: 12-Mar-09




Hera,

Beautiful arrows and they've turned out to be just what you need for the accuracy you want.

THe only thing I noticed is the spine tester is 27 inches. Shouldn't it be 26? Clearly, the proof is in the pudding and you have the spine you want though.

From: HighPockets
Date: 12-Mar-09




artist!

From: hera
Date: 13-Mar-09




Thank you all.

Pete Patterson

26" is right,thank you.

From: PaPa Doc
Date: 13-Mar-09




As always a good job,thanks Hera!

From: George Tsoukalas
Date: 13-Mar-09




Excellent work. Jawge

From: cacciatore Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 13-Mar-09




Good thread, I have 2 set of Gold tips shaft same 55/75 spine.Well after I hand spined them one set was stiffer of 1" than the other and this is a LOT!!!!!

From: hera
Date: 23-Mar-09




From: bodymanbowyer
Date: 24-Mar-17




I'll read this later. TTT

From: jk
Date: 24-Mar-17




Wonderful thread and pics..

From: Orion Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 24-Mar-17




Very nicely done. I've said it before, but it bears repeating; one simply can't make a well matched set of wood arrows without a grain scale and spine tester.

Some folks who get bad arrow flight when they switch to wood arrows are quick to blame the material, but the culprit is usually unmatched spine and/or weight. It's a hard lesson to learn, but it's very rewarding for those who do. Congrats.

From: bodymanbowyer
Date: 24-Mar-17




:-) oh so true. There can be a big difference in a group. You can see the difference when checking spine. Good read. JF

From: AK Pathfinder
Date: 24-Mar-17




Nice job…Just gos to show folks you do't need to spend a bunch of money on equipment to end up with great shooting arrows.

From: longbowguy
Date: 24-Mar-17




Uh oh. Getting a grain scale is going to cause a whole lot more headaches.

So, how did our ancestors get along without spine testers and grain scales? Well, the proof of the arrow is in the shooting. You can match them by shooting them in. Before I got a spine tester and scale I sometimes bought 'run of the mill' shafts, unsorted or just poorly shorted. I discarded a few due to poor appearance or grain run outs, which can be dangerous and made up all the rest and started shooting. I would mark with a crayon that cold be rubbed off which ones shot left, which right and which in the center.

After shooting them all several times, I knew which ones were stiffer, which were weaker and like Little Red Riding Hood, which ones I found were just right. If they were close I would just just separate the groups and shoot them with their mates for casually short range archery. My subconscious would compensate so they hit where I was looking.

The ones that were much too stiff I would put heavier points on; those too weak got lighter points, and then they shot closer together.

The ones that shot too low I shortened and my subconscious compensated in aiming a bit higher, and they shot closer. Out to 20 yards and less, this was often good enough for casual archery, stumping, varmint shooting, roving and form practice. Those that were just right I saved for special purposes.

Then I got a spine tester and a scale. The shafts I got from my local shop were not too bad in spine; the maker Rose City Archery uses mechanical spine tester. The weight was shocking. I found up to 130 grain weight difference within a dozen shafts. So I would advise buying a scale which is cheap before a spine tester which is costly.

I have both, and a straightener accurate to a thousandth of an ince. I can make championship grade arrows for competition.

But wait, there is more to the story. I am infamous at my club for using outshooting people using obviously mismatched arrows. They have different size and color fletching, different field point weight, and differ in length by up to two inches. /sine are twenty or more years old. Obviously mismatched, right? Wrong! They are finely matched by being shot in at up to 60 yards. They all group with their mates. The proof of an arrow is in the shooting! - lbg

From: 2 bears
Date: 24-Mar-17




Nice job,good shooting with pretty arrows. >>>-----> Ken

From: Bob Rowlands
Date: 24-Mar-17




This is an ancient thread but nonetheless those arrows are really nice. I spin sand my wood arrows to the pound. That way I can't blame spine. :D

From: Babbling Bob Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 25-Mar-17




Think it's still some great information.

From: Stucky
Date: 25-Mar-17




Hera, I love the spine tester and the arrows. I recently made one but am not satisfied wit it.

How far apart are the pivot points? More specifically, one that pushes the arrow down and the one the needle sits on on.

I noticed you used 27" instead of 26. Does that have anything to do with you're draw length?

From: Stucky
Date: 25-Mar-17




Hera, I love the spine tester and the arrows. I recently made one but am not satisfied wit it.

How far apart are the pivot points? More specifically, one that pushes the arrow down and the one the needle sits on on.

I noticed you used 27" instead of 26. Does that have anything to do with you're draw length?

Love the arrows too!

From: Cameron Root
Date: 25-Mar-17

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Essential unless you buy your shafts ready for finish from Steve at Surewood. Rebel makes a good one matchstick my home made dial one.

From: Cameron Root
Date: 25-Mar-17

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From: hera
Date: 25-Jul-17




Thank you all of you.





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